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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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D.R.Ball

Yes you should remove and replace the valve seals while the head is off the engine, it's FAR more easier than trying to keep the valves from falling in the engine....Rope or other tricks work but having the head on a work bench and supported by blocks of wood makes things easy...

CanadianBatman

And all of the bits
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

CanadianBatman

heres the photos
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

CanadianBatman

Haha that things cool!

Well Ive started to get somewhere on the car...ish. the motor is torn apart, mostly. Picked up a nice FEL-PRO 1035 gasket for the engine. That combined with the remaining engine gasket kit, should help the old girl breathe a little better. Got stumped by the head studs though, its the only part left on the motor before I start the scraping and exterior cleaning. I'm going to leave the crank and piston assy's in it. I just want to clean up the block so that I'm not dropping a web infested mess into my nice project car. The only problem I had stripping the block was pulling the turbo off of the exhaust manifold. When I went after the first stud, something didn't feel right pulling the wrench, so I look and its turning the one end of the stud out of the manifold, but not the other. I left it because I didn't want to break the bolt off. I think that I'm going to have to take the whole ting to work and torch the nuts off so I don't damage anything.

So then the questions begin:
Its probably suggestible to replace the valve seals while the head is off right?

And in order to remove the cam so as to replace the valve seals, I can foresee needing some sort of valve spring compressor to remove the pressure and pull the rocker from each valve. (probably leave the locks on the valve stems themselves and release the pressure without the rocker in place, allowing the valve to fully close without the wear surface on tip of the valve shaft contacting the camshaft.) Then unbolt the cam retainer from the rear of the head, and theoretically it should just slide out?

I took a bunch of photos on my phone so ill post them here in a second.
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd


CanadianBatman

Yeah it must have been a typo I try not to be associated with mustangs too much. I'm only interested with the real ones from the late 60's and early 70's. I'm not sure on the swappability of the springs or really the entire rear end as a whole, but I guess that's what a project is for. You learn something new every day. Just got word the engine re-gasket kit showed up the other day. Wont get it until Christmas day but I'm cool with that. Gives me time to poke around at stuff in the garage and clear some space to organise my parts as I pull the engine apart. Still on the hunt for the ever elusive oil pan/pickup/engine mounts and manual pedal set. I was close on the pedals today. A stick 'stang in pick n pull, but they where all gone when I got there. I may end up buying them off of one of you guys.
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

r4pinto

Quote from: CanadianBatman on September 02, 2014, 09:27:08 AM
Sniped a diff from pick n pull this weekend. Out of a '79 mustang giha. It's an 8"!



Nice looking Vega
Matt Manter
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dick1172762

I read over on the Mustang II site that the Mustang II rear springs are the same as a Pinto wagon. Several people said that was the way you got stiffer springs for a Mustang II. Easy to check out.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

russosborne

quote"and the rear end that is going in was pulled from a '79 mustang 2 ghia with a 302 v8 auto, but I snagged the v8 anti roll bar, and the springs/spring perches. So unless the springs don't fit, that'll be a -hopefully- bolt in application."unquoute

Ah, typo? In 79 there wasn't a Mustang II. That was the first of the fox bodies. And not an 8inch rear.
If it was a typo and it is from a II, the leaf springs do not work on a Pinto.

Sounds like you are headed in the right direction though. My Pinto is on hold due to buying a 72 Ranchero daily driver that needs work to keep it a daily driver.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dick1172762

Get your self a Fel Pro 1035 head gasket. That's Fel Pro's 2.3 race head gasket. Do a search cause its hi $$$$ and I've seen it as low as $53 and as hi as $80. Its what all of the racers use. More than that I would o ring the block or go to a copper gasket.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

CanadianBatman

Okay. So I'm making it somewhere? Yeah somewhere. I've decided that I want to try to get the car driveable for Canada Day 2015. I'm very involved in The car show in Granum Alberta, and since I feel the Vega isn't able to make the trip again with the original Valve seals, I want to take the newly minted Pinchero. The garage has been cleaned out, and I've started tearing down the motor. Was looking around the old internets, and found an awesome deal on an engine regasked kit:

http://www.northernautoparts.com/part/gs-260-1162

50% off, can't complain there. And I do like felpro's product.   I might look around to see if I can find a heavier duty head gasket. I can see a fair amount of higher boost conditions in the cars future. Haha. One thing I'm contemplating going to do is throw in some new head studs. Took a quick look at ARP because well, quality is a nice thing, and they had three listings for 2.3L ford motors. Regular 2300 pinto studs and undercut 12 point 2300 pinto studs, and some Zetec motor things that I paid no attention to at all.

Might you guys have Any suggestions on some good products or direction on which ones I should look into? Or am I going to have to pull the motor apart to distinguish between normal cut (?) or undercut studs.
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

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CanadianBatman

Ooh cool ill have to see that. I don't know what happened to the car once I traded it off. I guess the guy was going to do the same conversion as I was but opted to use a TC tbird with an auto transmission.

Not much has happened with the car, I've signed off in my mind that the whole project is going to my work when I get the parts together. The motor swap will happen there, and then ill tow the car home to put the rear end in.  From there it'll get the finishing touches at my garage.  Its nice to have access to a full shop and a nice welder trolley, mig, stick, aluminum. Heck we even have an oxy-acetylene torch if I really want to get destructive.

Still need the motor mounts, oil pan and oil pick up tube to make any progess. Saving up a bit for the transmission rebuild kit. I was looking at a couple and figure that a base rebuild kit gives me all of the synchros and jazz that I need. The premium kit gets me bearings and all of that stuff. But I'm not sure I really need to get the bearings replaced too. I also think this week I'm going to give a trans shop a call and see what It might cost me to have them rebuild it. I don't mind getting my own hands dirty, and often prefer it, but warranties are such a beautiful thing. Haha.
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1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

Reeves1

Looks good !

Got a Rock Auto news letter e-mailed to me today. Header has a grey car like yours. If you do not get it, text me your e-mail & I'll forward it to you.

dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

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65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

CanadianBatman

Also on another note, I was bored last weekend, it decided to snow here. I was over at the local farmers market, talking to the decals guy, who happened to have mentioned he was pretty good at custom stuff. I thought I would throw him a bone and see what he could come up with for an emblem for the little truck that could. What came out is the best money I have ever spent on a decal. I'm almost afraid ford might try to sue me hahaha  8) :-X

They're 8 inches tall and 28 inches wide. One should fit nicely along the back window on the top.

The grin on my face was as big as the day I brought the car home!
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

CanadianBatman

2)realistically not much more, I want good streetability, within reason. I realise that with a heavier duty clutch its really not going to be "streetable" for some, but I'm pretty young(25) and Ive driven my Vega for 2 summers straight with the original clutch in it. And if you haven't driven a 1970's clutch, id like to say its at least comparable to a racing / multi pack clutch. The springs take a-lot- of force to overcome. Traffic sucks. Haha. Really I want the car to surprise the general public who thinks that its just another slow '70s car. theres a lot of import guys around here that need the smirk scrubbed off of their faces.

Right now it'll probably come out of the garage with a little over 200 horse and comparable torque numbers. I'm just getting the heavier duty parts together so that when I do decide to bolt on the fun stuff (intercoolers, ignition upgrades, computers, bigger turbo) that it wont immediately grenade the parts I overlooked. Build it now, don't break it later.  8)

Overall, I'd like the general look of the car to stay the same, trying to hide the motor under the stock hood. That 8" diff should hide under the back end nicely. Maybe-maybe some slightly wider tires in the rear end. Until the car has been on the road for a while, probably just subframe connectors. I'll wait until I approach the 300HP/TQ range to Fab a roll cage. The cars structure around the front end is still untouched, but that back end will need to be strengthened if I go too far, so staying under that mark, I should be okay. The nice part I think about this build is that I'm starting with a v6 model, so its got the upgraded front end, (v6 springs/ anti roll bar) and the rear end that is going in was pulled from a '79 mustang 2 ghia with a 302 v8 auto, but I snagged the v8 anti roll bar, and the springs/spring perches. So unless the springs don't fit, that'll be a -hopefully- bolt in application. It'll get a rebuild as well, not like its leaking or anything, but I suspect it has atrocious highway gears, and its an open carrier too, so ill grab an LSD or locker when I get it opened up. Obviously the driveshaft will have to be custom made, oh well. The t5 that came with the turbo motor needs a rebuild, and I'm looking at going so far as having a shop build it for warranty purposes, and they can put new bearings into it as well. Get the good stuff.  Clean up the motor, maybe tweak a few things, although even in its stock form, I was surprised at how hard it pulled in the t-bird, I could probably throw it in without touching it performance wise, and be happier than a clam. Interior wise, gauges will be custom, as previously noted, ill have to go without a Speedo for the time being, unless I can find something along the way. (shouldn't be an issue, the Vega's Speedo disconnected itself a month before I stored it this year) if possible id like to keep the center console, I don't mind if I have to modify its location. The original seats will be coming out (they're rough) and ill throw some light weight bucket seats in. Carpet will come out too, and ill rock guard the floors once they get cleaned up and patched (theres a small hole under the heel point at the gas pedal). But the rest of the drivers and passengers floors are surface rusty, but solid. At least solid enough to resist the blunt force of a 32 oz. ball peen hammer.

Its not really meant to be a cruiser car, I've had a lot of nice cushy cars that get you from here to there in a great modicum of comfort. I'd rather build something that adds a little spice to my life, you know?
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1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

65ShelbyClone

A 2.3 bottom end won't split down the middle at 500rwhp though. ;) Several years ago a member on TF made 597rwhp on a stock 2.3 shortblock before it hurt the bearings.

Quote from: CanadianBatman on October 13, 2014, 11:35:21 PM
1.) So I've been doing some research and just wanted to know if anyone has had any experience with Stinger Performance Clutches. Or if you guys have any suggestions for a place to go that is known for having a good product.

I was looking at stingers stage 3 clutch. Its a 6 puck deal with a 400plus torque rating. One of those things where id like to do it once, and never pull it out again.

2.) Also do you think that I should drop $350 into a light-weight flywheel, or would machining my OEM one be okay. The original looks to be in alright condition, and really would only need to be surfaced. I don't mind a little extra rotational weight, but by the same token, if I'm going to do it, why not do it once. I'm just not 100% sure on how deep I should go.

1.) Stinger's clutches are made by SPEC who makes wide variety of aftermarket clutches for other vehicles. I have not used them myself, but I seem to recall they have a generally positive reputation.

2.) Aside from 400hp, what do you realistically want out of the car? I think a billet flywheel of some sort would be a good idea at the power level you're shooting for, but that doesn't mean it has to be aluminum. Ram makes a billet steel one that would save you around US$100 and is still less than a pound heavier than the SPEC aluminum one. Fidanza also offers a steel one, but I can't find a weight for it.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Reeves1

When done you will have the weight of a V8 in the front....and have a 4 cyl ricer sound !

Got me 3 302w blocks now.....you need help ?

;D

CanadianBatman

So I've been doing some research and just wanted to know if anyone has had any experience with Stinger Performance Clutches. Or if you guys have any suggestions for a place to go that is known for having a good product.

I was looking at stingers stage 3 clutch. Its a 6 puck deal with a  400plus torque rating. One of those things where id like to do it once, and never pull it out again.

Also do you think that I should drop $350 into a light-weight flywheel, or would machining my OEM one be okay. The original looks to be in alright condition, and really would only need to be surfaced. I don't mind a little extra rotational weight, but by the same token, if I'm going to do it, why not do it once. I'm just not 100% sure on how deep I should go.
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

CanadianBatman

Yeah haha the Mazda is loooong gone. Thankfully. Now I just need to find time from work to get going on the pinchero.
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: CanadianBatman on September 29, 2014, 11:38:43 PM
I will admit i was a tad destructive when it came to those little plastic airlines that go along the firewall, and did not relish re-routing everything just so that it would work one bit, never mind hiding it all.

Those plastic vacuum tubes turn to glass after 10 years anyway and 20+ year-old cars always have some broken and/or repaired ones.

One nice thing about the age of these engines and ECUs is that they are not terribly whiny about having every little tiny thing working all the time. By the same token, sometimes they're not sensitive enough about tell you what failed and is making the car run badly...
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Reeves1

Flog (sell) the pick up so you have room to work on your car !  ;D

Should have seen the look of surprise on me when I dropped by to pick a couple doors up at his place. I had no idea he had this car. Opened the shop door & there it is !
Cool !

Remember I asked what the hole was for in the right inner fender ?
Still not sure, but looks like venting ?
Can see in a couple pictures in this topic: http://www.fordpinto.com/your-project/the-restoration-of-my-1977-v-6-pinto-crusing-wagon/90/

CanadianBatman

damn i hate how life gets in the way. havent gotten anything done on the car, but i have learned alot from other people. Turns out i dont need the mass of vacuum lines and dashpots, spoke to a guy with an 86 tc that had a few upgrades, open exhaust, ported head, stripped interior, and he said he pulled his pesky egr system off, and just blocked off the ports on the intake and exhaust manifolds. pulling the sensors didnt do a damn thing to the computer, and since up here in jolly old Canada, we dont have emissions tests -yet- i think thats the route im going to go. I will admit i was a tad destructive when it came to those little plastic airlines that go along the firewall, and did not relish re-routing everything just so that it would work one bit, never mind hiding it all. now that i have all of the major parts, i just have to find myself a set of engine mounts and a 2.3 pan to fit the pinto crossmember, and i should have everything to start the transplant.
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

74 PintoWagon

Well, if I were to ever have one(would have to be a wagon)a V-8 swap would be the first thing to happen to it.. :D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

Well, if I was ever going to own a Vega, you have the one I would want: final year of production (the problems had been resolved), 4 speed transmission, and my much-loved orange with black interior color scheme!  My best friend had a 1977 and swore it was one of the best cars he ever had.  I don't think I ever drove a late model one - I was selling Lincoln-Mercury products in the late seventies and we took a number of the earlier ones in as trade-ins on Bobcats.  I drove some of them and they were the pits!  I'm glad you've had a successful and happy relationship with yours!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

65ShelbyClone

Hopefully your MII 8" doesn't need a pinion seal like mine did. Kind of a pain to replace that one. I bought a 0-60 inch-pound beam torque wrench just so I could do it right.  ::)
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

CanadianBatman

yup. I still have the winshield washer bottle thats at a 45 degree angle. they came with a V11 option code, its the verti-pack system.
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

Reeves1