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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

A 1972 turbo swap adventure

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Wittsend

I have my alternator on the drivers side.  I made the bracket out of a old bed rail angle iron.  The contact wrap on the water pump pulley is minimal, but it has never been a problem. Also somewhat tight at the battery, but enough clearance.  Knowing the fabricator you are I'm sure you will produce something nice.  Here are a few pics of the fitment.

Note the notching for the timing belt cover, and, because of a tab on the alternator, notching too. That could have been cut off, but if I ever needed to replace it in traveling I wanted it to be replaceable without alteration. I forgot what I used as an anchor on the other end, but it was some factory 2.3 bracket. See lower edge of last picture.

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: Wittsend on May 14, 2016, 01:10:24 PM
My understanding is the turbo kills a lot of the velocity in the exhaust thus the large diameter compensates for that.   My single 2-1/4" is likely a deficit I'd like to change someday. I'm not seeking the high HP output some of you guys are, but I'd still like to maximize what I have in its stock form.

Turbos don't decrease the exhaust velocity; they just work better when restriction downstream of the turbine is kept to an absolute minimum.

Stock exhaust size for any 2.3T car was 2.25" as far as I know. In hindsight, 2.5" is probably as large as I would go for a sub-300hp street car. Pintos are unarguably the most spacious little cars from that era, but I can see that Ford got that space by taking it from every other part of the chassis.

In other news, I started toward moving the alternator to the driver's side. What I found out was:
1.) The upper Pinto alternator bracket hits the "late" EFI intake manifold flange and won't fit without modifying the bracket.
2.) Same thing for the marine alternator bracket I have, although not as bad.
3.) The alternator is probably going to hit the battery anyway. Remember that billet tray I made to put it on the driver's side of the engine bay? Yeah, probably coming out.

The cooling system(or lack thereof) is also floating higher on the to-do list. My drive home yesterday saw coolant temps struggling to dip below 215°F when outside temps were only in the upper 80s. The electric pusher fan does practically nothing unless the car is stopped.

Quote from: oldkayaker on May 14, 2016, 08:14:43 PM
65ShelbyClone, the exhaust is looking good.  I like the idea of caring a window shade to use as a emergency work mat.

Thanks. That's not the primary reason I carry a window shade,  ;) but I was wingin' it at the time. Usually I just carry a small tarp. (Very) creative solutions are something I have had to learn for my job and it bled over.  ;D
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

oldkayaker

65ShelbyClone, the exhaust is looking good.  I like the idea of caring a window shade to use as a emergency work mat. 

Wittsend, a few links to resonator pipe design/use if you have the room for one.  No personal experience with them.
http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?topic=24005.msg148143#msg148143
http://www.performancetrucks.net/forums/gm-engine-exhaust-performance-21/how-build-exhaust-resonator-tube-eliminate-drone-489463/
http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=320550
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

Wittsend

I've gotten a lot of my 3" exhaust from guys who upgrade their diesels.  I only have it on one car, my Valiant.   Stock manifolds into 2" run to a 3" and then through a Flowmaster series 50 (supposedly quieter 3 chamber). The DRONING->>>>>> is a sonic weapon.  And it starts right at 1,900 RPM and drops off right at 2,600 RPM. Right in the normal driving range.  I'm convinced that it had nothing to do with what comes out the pipe, but rather what occurs within the pipe and muffler.  I temporarily put one of those Ricer mufflers on the end of the pipe, and choked it to it's tuneable limit.  It barely made any difference.

I know the automatic cars had a single exhaust after the CAT where as the manual car split to a dual.  I'd be curious to know how large it was??? I guess with your large turbo aspirations you need the larger size. My understanding is the turbo kills a lot of the velocity in the exhaust thus the large diameter compensates for that.   My single 2-1/4" is likely a deficit I'd like to change someday. I'm not seeking the high HP output some of you guys are, but I'd still like to maximize what I have in its stock form.

65ShelbyClone

The week in review:

Saturday 5/7: Discouraged by how difficult and protracted an over-the-axle 3" exhaust was turning out, I decided to find a Thrush perf core glasspack and stick it in the tunnel somewhere with a pipe out the side like my Mustang. Spent most of those productive day hours driving around the Antelope Valley looking for a parts store or muffler shop that had one. My go-to shop, the only place that probably had one in a 50mi radius, was understandably closed on the weekend. The other 10 (seriously) stores/shops I checked either didn't stock anything above 2.5" or didn't know what a glasspack is. Defeated, I went home and ordered one online.

Sunday 5/8: Time and thought produced a realization that the muffler I already have might fit behind the transmission. It does! It's also dark outside already!

Monday 5/9: The plan is in motion and I get it all mounted under the car, but run out of daylight before running a pipe totally out the side. A turndown underneath pointed sideways will have to suffice for now. Remember the resonance problem I had before? It's majorly back, but earplugs knock it down to a tolerable level now.

Thursday 5/12: Glasspack came in. Decided to keep it in case I need it for something else. Also picked up some 2.25"x 24" tailpipe pieces to run out the side(because dual 2.25s have about the same flow area as a single 3"). Oval tubing is what I wanted, but it might as well be made of gold. I also looked at NASCAR "boom tubes," but they were all a bit....large.

Friday 5/13: I decided last-minute to take the Pinto to work. It went great until a nut holding one of the hangers on rattled loose (I had tightened it, I made sure) and the exhaust started dragging on the freeway at 70mph. I dove off and into a parking lot, threw a window shade down to keep from getting dirty, and managed to pull the assembly off with just an Allen wrench (the only tool I had), and continued on with an open downpipe as before and only a few minutes late. Not bad for Friday the 13th.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

76hotrodpinto

I'm interested to hear how that works out. SCIENCE!
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

65ShelbyClone

The exhaust is on hold for now pending parts and a change of layout.

In other news, a plan is materializing for modifications to my big turbo's turbine housing that ought to allow use of its internal wastegate and the stock E6 exhaust manifold. Twin-scroll turbos with a wastegate hole on only one scroll tend to have trouble controlling boost on gas engines. Some people have tried to remove the divider down to the wastegate hole and the results seem to be generally disappointing. My plan is to remove the entire divider, which is not practical with ordinary tools.  8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsXKS8Nyu8Q
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Wittsend

I know this sounds lame and lazy, but on the Tigers most everyone runs the exhaust under the rear axle. Amongst owners it is simply accepted as necessary.

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickExhaust/pt-PaulickExhaust2.asp

65ShelbyClone

Yes I am; that was going through my head the whole time. Sounds like the adjustments are in order that I was trying to avoid.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

pinto_one

Looking at the last photo I was wondering if later you were going to use the 8 inch rear end , it is a tighter fit in the front area with the wider removable housing ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

65ShelbyClone

There's no more than about 1/2" of clearance in any of the tightest places. I know now that 3" radius bends would have helped a lot.



I got the whole mock-up done and ready to weld when it started raining. When I put everything away for the night, it stopped raining.  ::)
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Wittsend

Yea, I've been living with a 2-1/4" exhaust for similar reasons. I just reused the T/C exhaust (including the CAT) after some gentle bending on the press. I pinched off the split to the second muffler (I believe duals were 87-88, manual only???) and finished with the 2-1/4"..., for now..., which was way back then..., and still is. The muffler (Dynomax) is under the rear seat and just tailpipe after that to the rear of the car.  But, yea, it seems close in places with 2-1/4", I'm trying to imagine 3."

65ShelbyClone

Small update: I spent all last weekend and most of today fabbing the 3" downpipe-back exhaust...and I'm only about 75% done with the mockup and tacking.  :P Snaking it around the rear end and shock without hitting anything has been a PITA.

Pintos truly were not designed to do any of the things we try to do with them.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

74 PintoWagon

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65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

Quote from: pinto_one on April 24, 2016, 02:24:47 PM
for the pinto guys that think a 5.0 (or 260/289 ) is a tight fit into a pinto look at this ,  :o

Probably needed a shoehorn to slip that baby in there!!!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pinto_one

Last year they had a few sunbeam Tigers here , and for the pinto guys that think a 5.0 (or 260/289 ) is a tight fit into a pinto look at this ,  :o . love to have the wheels off this on on my pinto
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

65ShelbyClone

Just a little update: finished installing the second spring and took it for a drive. It feels comparable to when the car was totally stock with a 2.0, only now the ride is comfortably firmer with slightly less body roll.

The bad news is that with both 2.3 springs under it, the front end sits a little too high. I'll try taking off another 1/2 coil sometime later. The main thing is that drivability improved.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

robertwwithee

My replica minilights/panasports came off a lotus 7.  I bought real panasports and the replica set from owner.  13x7's, offset makes them look like 13x6 though.  Replicas went on pink pinto and panasports go on my 71 road race pinto.

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Wittsend

Thanks for the spring info.  Let me know how it rides when you get the opportunity.

One thing I like about having a Pinto and a Sunbeam Tiger is they share the same bolt pattern.  Another nice period wheel are the Cosmics.  There was one, special built, fastback Tiger and it has the Cosmics. Turns out when I got mine it has them too.  They are somewhat rare. Picture: 1. Tiger with Cosmics (donor T/C in background too) 2. Harrington Tiger. Oddly enough, same wheel, just painted differently. I'll be copying the Harrington scheme. Talk about abandoned projects, the Tiger hasn't seen a wrench since 2004!  But, some day soon ........ ..... ... .. .

65ShelbyClone

Sorry I didn't respond sooner, but I didn't get any email notification of replies.  ???

Quote from: Wittsend on April 18, 2016, 12:44:11 AM
Good to see you back after a long absence. Yes, I'm looking forward to the outcome because we are basically in the same situation with the weight of the turbo motor in a pre-74 Pinto.  Are these 2.3 or V-6 springs? And did the donor car have A/C? Getting all my "honey do" list stuff done this spring, but hope to get to my cars in a month or so.

Thanks. Work had me flattened for a while, but the longer daylight, nicer weather, and freer weekends are letting me get back to what I want to do.  8) Even the Mustang is going to get some desperately needed attention and I haven't worked on that since.....befo re I got the Pinto(two years ago this week).  :o I'm kind of looking for a pre-'76 Ford Courier pickup too...

The springs were from a 2.3 car with A/C and I took off barely more than 1/2 coil, but a whole coil probably would have been alright too. I have a new pair of the same springs, but figured I would cut the old disposable ones and get everything where I liked it before chopping on new parts. Also worth noting is that the old 2.3 springs were shorter than the new ones by at least an inch.

Quote from: 76hotrodpinto on April 21, 2016, 09:26:12 AM
It's fun to have all this power and speed, but it's a bit like "master blaster" from mad max, but no "master", just all "blaster"!

LOL!

I found out the early spindles are shorter between the ball joints and the control arms are different lengths than the later ones. The spring pockets appear quite a bit different too. So far it looks like using the later parts on an early car means welding-in the entire crossmember.

Quote from: robertwwithee on April 21, 2016, 03:40:47 PM
I love the mini lites.  Period correct for the era.

Thanks. Funny you say that because the wheels and tires were originally on a Sunbeam Tiger.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

robertwwithee

I love the mini lites.  Period correct for the era.

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76hotrodpinto

I have almost all my front end parts together now too.I didn't realize the early ones had different suspension too, bummer! It's fun to have all this power and speed, but it's a bit like "master blaster" from mad max, but no "master", just all "blaster"!
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

Wittsend

Good to see you back after a long absence. Yes, I'm looking forward to the outcome because we are basically in the same situation with the weight of the turbo motor in a pre-74 Pinto.  Are these 2.3 or V-6 springs? And did the donor car have A/C? Getting all my "honey do" list stuff done this spring, but hope to get to my cars in a month or so.

65ShelbyClone

Nice weather finally coincided with a free weekend where I actually felt like doing something. I tore apart the '77's front end to later find out that none of the parts will work on my '72 except the springs. Double-u tee eff Ford.

Being unable to find any good information about how much to cut the springs, I winged it and simply made them the same length as my old '72 originals. It was a big PITA just to do one side and I was worried it was going to be too high, but it turned out to sit totally level so far.



Hopefully next weekend I'll have the other side done too. Stock wheels are going back on for now because the Minilites have rotten tires.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

65ShelbyClone

A little bit closer to having flush hood fitment again.

'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

65ShelbyClone

Nothing much done to the car, but this should make it a little easier to practice melting parts for it:



That huge thing on the right is a #26 torch that I got with the machine. On the left is the new WP-9. It's like holding a pencil compared to a pick axe. The plan is to make a gas diverter so both torches can stay connected since the machine is old and doesn't have quick connectors.

Quote from: Wittsend on November 25, 2015, 11:59:03 PM
BTW, is that your 2.0 and transmission on Craigslist? Saw it and the Lake Hughes pin on the map and thought the dots might connect.

That's mine. I'd like to keep the engine, but have no use or space for it anymore. Someone is supposed to come out today and get it and both 4-speeds. That means I have to finish pulling one out of the '77 this morning.  :o
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Wittsend

Hummm..., making me thankful for my Lincoln Mig-Pak 100.  Welding was too expensive a hobby for me to attempt perfection. It is more like a necessary evil. My welding never gets better, but it has allowed me ample practice to perfect my grinding. LOL

BTW, is that your 2.0 and transmission on Craigslist? Saw it and the Lake Hughes pin on the map and thought the dots might connect.

65ShelbyClone

I'll try not to go MIA too badly.  ;)

Welder seems to work better than I can, so that's a start. Found out that aluminized tubing is hard to clean well enough to TIG. Accidentally bumped the pedal with my hood up and saw spots for a good while. Nuked a few 1/16" electrodes and dipped several others, but am generally enjoying how clean and quiet TIG welding is.

The #26 torch is a real (big) handful, so the plan is to get a #9 setup with some gas lenses asap.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

76hotrodpinto

My esab is similar to your beast. It's an old dta 200(ac/dc square wave). I love it, but it's hardly portable. That's why I still run around with my single phase mig so much. I have my tig set up at a shop that's wired for multiple huge kilns, so got lucky there.

And yeah, I totally understand spending way to much effort on making things, rather than purchasing for way less,(titanium door hinge pins).

Looks like you got a good welder to play on now... so I guess we won't be seeing you around here much, for a while.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.