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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time

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dga57

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on November 10, 2014, 10:14:18 PM
Glad to hear you're still on the up and up..
... and working on your Pinto!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

74 PintoWagon

Glad to hear you're still on the up and up..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

Boy, been a while.
I tried out the sand blaster today. I don't know if it is me, the glass bead instead of sand, or what, but it didn't go well. Took 45 minutes and didn't even get one of the largest leafs done. It does work, just takes forever. And I have it on the ground, which got old really fast. Don't know what to do.

I bought another tool. Got a decent floor jack off of Craig's List yesterday for $65. It will come in handy later on. Been using one of those little Walmart kind for several years. They work, but are a pain. Nice to have a decent one again.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Got a little more in the way of tools. Bought a sand blaster at HF, the one that is on sale for $34.95.
Then I went to Tractor Supply to get some blasting sand. Got out to the car and realised I bought glass bead instead. I thought I had grabbed the sand. I imagine the glass bead will work, but just another sign my brain is going bye bye.

Why did I buy the blaster? Because I realised that I should have the rear end installed before I mount the fuel cell. And the rear end and leaf springs  need blasted and painted before I put them back on. So hopefully I can get that started tomorrow.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Wish I had read this earlier, I just got back from being out and about, and one of the things I did was to go to HD and buy 16 feet of 2 inch x 2 inch 1/8th inch thick angle. Oh well, it is only money. I will go ahead and use the bigger stuff  for most of it, the smaller stuff will work for the battery and miscellaneous supports. Plus welding practice. I haven't touched the welder since a couple of days after I bought it. At least now I have thick enough metal that I shouldn't have to worry about burn thru. Learn on the thick stuff, then work my way up (down) to the thin. At least that is my plan.

didn't get anything done today on the Pinto, we were just out way later than I had planned. Hopefully tomorrow evening.

Sleep. My problem is that the 12-15 hour sleep day comes about once a week if I keep on like I have been this past week. Started out in the Navy doing that. We called it an "equalizer". There were no drills or training on Sundays on the sub, so that was the day to catch up on sleep. If an alarm went off on Sunday, it was for real.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

Pinto5.0

1x1 angle should be more than sufficient. 15 gallons is under 125 pounds so it will be plenty.
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dga57

Glad to hear you're feeling better.  Sleep is a great healer!  I scrape by on 4-5 hours sleep per day most of the time, but then every couple of months I'll come to a day when I might sleep fifteen or more hours straight.  Heaven only knows what that does to our bodies, but sometimes it just can't be helped.  Hope you get to spend some time with your Pinto this evening.


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

Speaking of dreams, I had one about the Pinto last night. Not sure exactly what I was doing with it though. I think this was the first with the Pinto as the car. :-\

I slept for over 12 hours, although I have to get up every couple of hours these days(more often if I remember to take my water pills). I am feeling much better than I did yesterday. Good enough to maybe do something with the Pinto.  ;D

I've only been getting about 5-6 hours of sleep a night this past week. Not good, especially when I can't take a nap during the day.  :'( :-[
We've (my wife really, but I have to drive) got some running around to do, but hopefully I am still feeling better later on and can do SOMETHING with the Pinto. Strip the carpet out, work on the instrument panel, start fitting the fuel cell, something. Even just taking pictures of my latest acquisitions would be a start. I haven't posted any pictures for a while now.  :-[ :(

Weather wise it has still been a tad warm out, I like it better once it stays in the 70's during the day. Right now the Pinto can still be a bit hot to the touch. Yes, I have turned into a temperature wimp after living in Ohio for 8 years. :o

I was reading Dave1987's posts, he is doing what I had planned on doing, driving the car and working on it at the same time. So much for those plans, huh? ::)

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Well, I think I did screw up with the 1 inch angle. I kind of forgot that the cell will be holding 15 gallons of gas.  :-[  OOPS.
What little of instructions there are with it also state that the bottom of the cell needs to be supported. I guess that means I will have to have a bottom piece on the mounting frame. Maybe I can get the larger angle this Monday. I shouldn't need anything like 20 feet, 10 feet should be plenty I hope. Although since this is a short weekend for me and we have lots of things to do I might not make it to the steel store. Buying the metal at HD or Lowes is way too expensive, and I don't think there is a steel place near Glendale.

Maybe I should just surround the whole cell with some sheet metal. But then no one would see the nice polished aluminum it is made of.

The cell has mounting tabs on the bottom of it. Something I will have to remove. Apparently the makers of it assume you are going to be mounting it on the trunk floor.

Not sure if I will get anything done with it this weekend. Besides having to buy some larger angle, I feel like doodoo. This shift at work is not good for me physically. I am at work right now btw. Got a dr.'s appt Monday afternoon. Cost $100 for the office visit. I am willing to bet he is going to want to run a bunch of tests which I can't afford. I am hoping he is willing to go to one of the med's I am supposed to be on website and apply for me to get the meds free. It has to be a dr. to do it, and the meds go to his office, not straight to me. Wish my antidepressant had such a program.

Well, back to work. If I don't fall asleep on the way back to the test room.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dga57

Actually, I DID go to high school with a guy who drove a black '48 Packard in 1973-74!  His was nice and shiny.  Hard to realize now that it was only about 25 years old at the time!  It was so big and round!  lol  It definitely stood out in the student parking lot!  Unfortunately, the one in my dream was a rustbucket and wouldn't run worth a darn (which is bad when you're trying to get away from someone/something).  Don't know where that came from... I've never actually driven one.  The mind is a strange and complex organ!   

As to your instruments, I can't see 1/16th of an inch making much difference to the naked eye... I think you'll be just fine, there.

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

Yeah, when I had another 69 project I quit having the dreams about the high school Mustang. Now they are back. Same for my 70 GTO. When I had the 70 Lemans project those dreams stopped, now they are back as well. I'll be driving the car, park it somewhere, and then can't find it again.
Didn't you have an old Packard, or was that someone you went to school with?

I've been excited to work on the Pinto all along, it is just not having the energy to do it. Not having the energy to do anything really. And then when I do try something it doesn't work out right, like the instrument panel. Speaking of, I did find and buy a pilot bit for the hole saws. I wish I had seen them when I bought the saws, but I didn't. Only a couple of bucks, I would have bought one then. But I did learn that my layout isn't quite right, so it wasn't a complete waste of effort.
The fuel gauge I had bought only cost $7 something from Pepboys on ebay. Can't find a 0-90 ohm one for anything close to that with a black face, which is what the other gauges are. I could but don't feel like messing with adding resistors to change the sending unit's ohm range. I'll just have to bite the bullet and spend more on a gauge later on when I need one. Oh, can't find a 2 inch one either, going to have to be 2 and 1/16th. I hope that difference won't really be noticeable since the others are 2 inch. Still need a speedometer also. That will really have to wait for now.

Got to go, it's the wife's turn to spend money. JoAnn's, here we come. At least we have a coupon, 20% off entire purchase including sale items.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dga57

It sounds like you have your upcoming weekend pretty well planned out.  I'm glad to see you excited about working on the Pinto again!.

It's funny; you talking about those dreams.  I had a recurring dream for decades... finding my long-forgotten orange '74 Pinto Runabout sitting in the garage, a little dusty but otherwise just as I left her back in '76.  In dreamland, of course, she fired right up on the first try and I was so happy to be driving her again!  Interestingly enough, I haven't had that dream since I bought another Pinto!  Last night I dreamed I was trying to get away from somebody or something and driving a rusty '48 Packard.  Go figure!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

another day, another spent more money on the Pinto confession. :-[

I bought 20 feet of 2x2 14 gauge tubing for the subframe connectors. I would have liked to have gotten 1/8th thick, but just too much money. This should be plenty strong for this purpose. If not it will be a good practice session.

I also bought 20 feet of 1x1 1/8th inch thick angle steel for the fuel cell and battery mount. This might be too small. :( I thought it would be big enough, but after seeing it I was like "oh shoot, that might not work." Probably should have gone 1.5 inch, but hopefully this will be usable. I didn't want the mounting to be the thing that catches the eyes.
The angle was only 68 cents or so a foot, so not too bad if it doesn't work. I can always use it for welding practice.
$70 total for all the steel counting the cuts I had to pay for. Having an enclosed vehicle limits the sizes I can transport. Had the 2x2 cut into two 7 foot lengths, and then a 6 foot leftover piece. Figured that 7 is probably too long for the connectors, but it is a lot easier to cut off than to add on. Plus I plan on going as far forward in the front subframe as I can. I am planning on these being one piece from front to back.  The angle is cut into 5 foot sections. That is more than any one single length will be, so should be fine. I'll be able to cut them with the next paragraph.  ;D

Then I bought a 14 inch 3.5hp cut off saw at HF for $100. It was on sale, normally $150(prices rounded off). I can't do the connectors free hand. My metal cuts have not been very straight.  :-[ I also bought a face shield there. Not the best quality I am sure, but better than nothing. The saw is rated for over double the sizes I am cutting so hopefully it won't be a strain for it. It comes with one cutting disc, I need to get some quality ones. I don't like buying grinding or cutting discs at HF. Heard a lot of horror stories.  :(

Now I am really done spending on the Pinto for a while. Unless I find a really good deal that is. OOPS, did I say that out loud? :P

The fuel cell should be here by Friday if not sooner. So I hope to get started on mounting it and the battery during my next weekend, which will be Sunday-Tuesday. I think I need a different fuel gauge, pretty sure the one I just bought last month is a Ford style. I need a GM one now for the sending unit that comes with the cell.
Only a 3 day weekend this next time, then work 4 and off 4. I am going to be on my own at work starting this Thursday, so that will be a big relief.  ;D ;D ;D
The trainer I had is very nice and very good, but has a hard time letting me work on my own, so it has been stressful at times. The job is too simple, but I think he has had some real idiots come through there. I came up with an analogy. Take an F1 driver. Set him on a kids tricycle. Then don't let him pedal or move without supervision and instructions. Really, it is that bad. But I keep trying to tell myself it is a paycheck. Problem is I need more than that to feel satisfied. And my career certainly needs more than this.

Oh, almost forgot. I ran the new to me compressor until the tank was up to 120psi, and the breaker never tripped. Looks like I got lucky with that.  8)

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

What's a 2.3?  ;D

I'm more worried about the quality of it, but I imagine the only thing that could go bad would be the sender.

Trying to wake up and get over a dream I had. Used to have these frequently, this is the first time in a long time. Was driving my high school Mustang, only it wasn't high school.  I hate those dreams. Very depressing to wake up and find the car isn't here. It has always been either that Mustang or the GTO I used to have in those kind of dreams. Usually I find it, drive it for a bit, and then it disappears again and I am looking for it and can't find it where I left it.

Oh, I forgot. I also bought just under 5 yards of marine grade black vinyl from JoAnn's for 50% off, so only $9 a yard. Wanted a couple of yards more, but that was all that was on that roll, and the coupon was for a single cut. But it ought to be more than I need for the door panels and dash pad. Hope to use it for the console as well, once I get one built. Now I need to get the foam for the pad and panels. No rush, got a long ways to go before I am at that point, but I have been wanting to at least get the vinyl. It won't go bad sitting in the house until it is time to use it. Might not be the greatest type to use, but it should be good.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

They're ok, friend of mine put one in his truck feeds a 496 I'm sure it'll take care of of a 2.3, lol...
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

Well, interesting day.

I found and bought a larger air compressor on craigslist for $100. 5hp and a 20gal tank. Both are major improvements over the little one I have. It is a DeVilbis(sp?). It is sitting by the Pinto for tonight, then I need to move the old one and put this one in it's place. The cfms are also much better. Now I have to hope it doesn't trip the breaker when used. I will find out tomorrow. Then sooner or later I need to buy a small HF sandblaster for it. Should be ok for smaller things like the springs and axle housing if I go slow.

I also got outbid on that fuel cell. The other one I had mentioned was only 10 gal, I hadn't noticed that earlier. So I bought a 15 gal one, buy it now. $160 with free shipping. Polished aluminum, -10 an fittings. http://www.ebay.com/itm/201154322213?item=201154322213&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:L:OC:US:3160&vxp=mtr
I hope I didn't buy a pos.

I shouldn't have bought anything, but I did. Going to see if I can buy some angle steel to mount the cell and battery with what cash I have left to spend. Then no more spending for quite a while.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

i should know better I suppose.
Tried to do the instrument panel, found out I got hole saws that don't have the pilot bit. Tried anyway, one hole is way off.
It is only cheap material, so no big loss other than time.
I might have to see if they sell a hole saw around 3.25 inches. I got the 3 inch one, but it is a lot smaller than the 3and3/8ths the tach is.I thought I would be able to just file the hole bigger, but it is probably too small for that.
The 2 inch is pretty close to the small gauges, that will be workable.

I had used a compass to draw the circles, I may not have had it set right or the tach is a bit bigger than advertised. Not sure if the layout I had is going to work, the holes seem a bit too close to enlarge the proper amount.

This is going to be one of those things that takes several attempts to get right I think. Not what I had wanted. Sometimes it seems that when I just eyeball things and go it works out better than when I plan and measure and do all the proper things.

Speaking of, I might go back and redo the battery/storage box since it looks like I am going to put the battery next to the fuel cell like some have done here. Without the battery, I can lower the box to be flush with the floor. Not sure yet, it is nice the way it is and usually when I go back and modify stuff it doesn't end up as nice as it had been before.

Main problem right now is I seem to have lost my confidence in my abilities. I thought that the instrument panel was small enough to fix that, but oops.
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Well, thanks, but I didn't post that to be praised.
It is just something that has to be done. I am doing it for my wife, since she still cares about him.

Went over to that house yesterday intending to try to clean it up some. Got two trash bags full and had to stop, couldn't take the smell any longer. I did get a couple of supposedly valuable paintings out that he wanted. Couldn't find some other smaller stuff like checkbooks. It might take going thru the trash by hand to find some stuff he needs, and I am not sure I am up to that. He isn't even sure what room the stuff is in. Need a dumpster to put the trash in, would make things much faster. I uncovered a dead microwave in the living room while working yesterday.
But we may end up just selling the house as is to some company here that advertises they buy such houses. He won't get as much for it, but then he won't have to spend money on it either. The other reasonable option is to have a real estate agent list the house, but realistically the house needs gutted at the least. My wife is waiting for him to get some more strength before she talks to him seriously about what to do, it is his place afterall even though he told us to do what we thought best about it. Me. a cleansing fire would be a good start.

Pinto stuff. I put a bid on a 15 gallon fuel cell on ebay. Find out around 5pm local if I got it. Then I find a similar one as a buy it now with free shipping that would be about the same price if the one I bid on goes to my max with shipping. I don't know why I want to get one now, I guess I am thinking if I got one that would motivate me to get it and the battery installed and get that part done. Maybe it would. I am trying to get some energy to go out and work on the instrument panel I am making. I think I am going to bite the bullet on the leaf springs and take them to be sandblasted. I should take the 8 inch housing as well.  I am just worried that the price will give me a heart attack. Suppose I should just call and see if they can give me an estimate.
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dga57

Wow!  You hear about these sorts of things happening, but you never think they will happen to someone you know!  You are a good man Russ Osborne for doing what you can to help out with the house, the cat, etc. 

The friendship that can develop out of failed marriage is an interesting thing.  My ex-wife and I have been apart for 24 years this month, but we get along better now than we ever did when we were married!  We live less than half a mile apart, so tend to see one another frequently.  We are both in much healthier marriages now, and are both happier people because of it.

I think your idea of using a pickup bed floor for the rear compartment of your Pinto wagon is an excellent one.  It is bound to look better than anything that could be fabricated out of flat sheet metal.

Hang in there, buddy!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

74 PintoWagon

WOW that sucks, best of luck sure hope things work out.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne


Just wanted to let you know I am still around. Nothing at all going on
with the Pinto. The job pretty much has me drained 24-7 like I was afraid it would.
I don't even have the energy to shop for it.

I did have one thought though. I think that I will use a pickup truck bed floor replacement panel for the rear of the cargo floor where I cut out the spare tire well. That way I won't have to deal with a flat piece of metal, since I don't have the tools to form it.

Been dealing with my wife's ex's health problems. They have been friends since the divorce, my wife says they should just have been friends all along. they have a son who is about to turn 30 in Jan.

He was in the hospital and now is in a nursing home for 4 weeks for rehab. He won't be able to go back home alone again. Mainly due to mental issues. What brought all this to a head was that he was sick, fell and couldn't get up off the floor about 3 weeks ago.

The  plan is for him to move to Myrtle Beach SC to be with his son and his family. He has to have someone to check on him daily. There is a chance the state is going to commit him, which would really screw up the plans.  The guy was living in total filth the last couple of years apparently. Knee high garbage in his house. Toilet not working so he was wearing depends. Rat infested, big rats. He essentially just gave up caring I guess. He has the money to fix things up, but wouldn't allow anyone into his house. Not even before all this started.

We are also wondering if he has had a stroke, his mental capacity isn't what it used to be. He has no insurance and hadn't been to a doctor until he had to go to the hospital a few weeks ago. The house is so bad the firemen didn't want to go in to get him out, and they had to carry him out, couldn't get a stretcher in it. One of them, I think it was the captain, said it was the worst house he had ever seen. One of them wore a respirator into the house. Wish I had one for today.
I have to go over to his house today and get some valuables out. Not going to be fun. I literally have to shovel a path in the house wherever I go, and having the rats watch me is creeping me out. I go over there every night after work to check on the cat and feed it. We had to put her outside so the rats wouldn't eat her food or her. They are almost as big as she is. I want to bring her here, but my wife is right saying we don't know what her health is, and she probably has fleas and stuff and we don't want to get our cat sick. But I really hate seeing her there. She is better off outside, but still I am sure she feels abandoned. At least the weather has turned to fall finally for the most part. She does have a big covered area.
My wife is supposed to get a power of attorney so she can take care of his business, including selling the house.

She would like to have that house, they lived in it when married. It is paid off, he inherited it from his mother, but he is needing the money from a sale to help him move apparently, and we don't have any. Even in the shape it is in the lot itself is probably worth close to $100K here in Phoenix. He does have an inheritance worth quite a bit, he is considering giving it to her. We would have to spend probably at least $20K just to get it livable. NO heat/ac, the roof had been leaking for years and the ceiling caved in above the kitchen. The rats are what are called roof rats, which are a problem in that area (24th ST and Indian School for anyone familiar with Phoenix), the walls are all bad(plaster), bathroom and kitchen need complete renovations just to use. I don't like the area, but if my wife wants it and can get it I would do it for here. Not likely though. Since he won't tell the state he can afford treatment, they are likely to go after his stuff and take the house. He has always been secretive and extremely stubborn, so that hasn't changed much. Although now he has told my wife about the money and is letting her pay his bills. So some good has come out of this.

Wow, I didn't mean to let all that out, guess I needed to talk to someone about it.








In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

I don't feel guilty, just sad.
Well, some guilty too.
I miss my late nights working on the Pinto.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dga57 on October 02, 2014, 07:59:08 AM
Well, at least we Andersons are in agreement on that!  lol


Dwayne :)
Yes indeed, LOL..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

Well, at least we Andersons are in agreement on that!  lol


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dga57 on October 02, 2014, 01:37:42 AM
As much as I enjoy my cars, family matters always come first.  Don't feel guilty about it... that's the way it's supposed to be!  You'll get back to the car next time you're off.

Dwayne :)
Family always comes first no matter what..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

As much as I enjoy my cars, family matters always come first.  Don't feel guilty about it... that's the way it's supposed to be!  You'll get back to the car next time you're off.

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

74 PintoWagon

As the saying goes, tomorrow is another day.. :D Hope everything is ok with the family.. 8)
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

sigh. 4 days off and nothing happened with the Pinto. Had a semi family emergency that wasted Sunday and part of Monday. Yesterday I did the rear brakes on my Subaru finally. No more metal to metal squealing.
Today was more family stuff related to Sunday. It involves my wife's ex.
Still more to do today, so no chance of Pinto stuff. I feel guilty, but nothing I can do about it.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

It's funny. I am a green badge at Intel, which is second class. Not the best thing.
Yet I am now a green name here, and that is a great thing.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Hopefully.
I really need medical insurance.
Thanks,.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.