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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time

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74 PintoWagon

Seems like you could just slide that bracket in????..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

And just to make this complete, here are pictures of the 74 front bumper shock.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

This is turning into a real hit or miss weekend.  :-X

I just found out that the "simple fat bumper fix" won't work for the rear bumper either. Maybe the 74 is the red headed step child of bumpers in the Pinto world.  >:( ::)

I thought I would go out and maybe pop the rear bumper off. So out I trot, and then realize that with the hitch it is more complicated than I want to deal with tonight in the dark. ::) Then I take a good look at the way it is mounted, and I think that it isn't the same as the one in that fix is. :-\ So I take the camera and get a couple of pictures best I can for now. And low and behold it IS different. Once again it is totally different than the later years. Pictures below. I need to really put the car on jackstands to get under it better.

I am not going to give up on getting the bumpers moved in. But it looks like I will have to come up with my own way of doing it front and rear, instead of the nice simple way Bill found for his and apparently everyone else's.  :(

To answer my question from the previous post, I guess they ARE that different.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Am I this confused, or is someone else, or are these cars really so different between certain years? :-\
I have a 74 wagon with the 6.75 rear, if that may make a difference. Came with the 2.0L from the factory(but is long gone now).

I was reading a 4 year old post about wagon shocks, since I have a wagon.  ;D
the last post was from someone who said he was using 1977 Nova shocks on his 75 wagon. Well, the 77 Nova uses this type of shock
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/KYB-Gas-a-Just-Shock-Strut-Rear/1977-Chevrolet-Nova/_/N-inbleZ8oxxx?itemIdentifier=754887_6880_7413_
that has Upper Mount Type:    Eyelet with slotted barpin Lower Mount Type:    Eyelet with bushing and metal sleeve.
I went out and got under the rear of the car for pretty much the first time, other than a quick glance at the rear axle early on. My car certainly does not use that type of shock. It uses the "stud" type at both ends.

BTW, I have air shocks. I did not know that until now. But the lines are cut, so I have no idea if they still work. But that makes sense with the bumper hitch it has. As far as I could see with the flashlight, it is all pretty clean and solid under there.  ;D

I also found out that there is a crossmember going across the car right where I put the rear most piece of my battery/storage box frame. I had drilled 5/16th holes to bolt that down. I had looked just enough to make sure I wasn't going to hit the tank.
This is the same place that the factory folding seat hinge went( the rear most piece that goes between the rear fender wells), I was using those 4 larger holes, 2 per side. Now I see why sheet metal screws were used from the factory. grrrrr. Guess I will have to default to my other idea of using L brackets to attach that 2x2 tube to the floor. I want it bolted, not screwed. Enough of what I do ends up screwed.  ;D

I thought these cars didn't have a rear subframe, maybe technically there isn't one, but there sure is enough support to be close.

Thanks,
Russ


In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

I need to get to a chiropractor, but that takes $. I'm stupid, I spend it on the Pinto instead of me. But the Pinto is more fun than I am.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Sounds like a pinched nerve, I have the same thing in one foot it's from sciatic nerve in a once screwed up back, my foot is half asleep all the time very irritating..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

I hate getting old. I am not sure if it is from the wire wheeling or a pinched nerve or something, but I woke up today with my right hand numb from about the middle finger out. Several hours later and it is still numb. It's happened once or twice before.
So anyway I am not going to be doing much today. I am going to see if I can get that battery/storage box frame bolted in place, and start working on making a template for the lid. I've got to get something accomplished at least. Although even for this I need to run to the hardware store and get a few more grade 8 nuts and bolts. I forgot to account for the installation when I bought the ones I have been using.

Man, it is even very hard to type with my hand like this.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Thanks.

Now I am scared to go out, something is liable to fall out of the sky and hit me. Not kill, just maim.  ::)

It looks like the alternator is a 140A unit. At least all of the replacement ones I have found online are rated at that for that car. But even if it is just 120A I am very happy.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

Great score on that alternator (and air compressor too, for that matter) - maybe things are starting to turn around for you! Hope so anyway!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

Well, I can't be 100% sure, but it is looking like my engine is at least an 86. I posted about the bellhousing in the General Help section, it has an E6 part number and I was told it is for a T5. So I did some searching and lots of reading and found the Joe Escobar fix for using this bellhousing in a Pinto. Seems to be the way to go instead of hunting for a D9 and doing all the stuff for that.

Gee, with the Mustang cast iron exhaust header and the T5 housing, too bad it doesn't have the EFI manifold. And of course the stupid T5 trans itself. I wouldn't bet against the former owner having sold it. Yes, the one who didn't even say "sorry" when I discovered there was no trans like he said there was.  >:( But it gives me something to look for once I can start junkyarding again. I want to go to Tucson, they have a Pull a Part there. I like their way of upfront pricing. None of the Phoenix upull yards seem to do that.

Now if I could only get a job.  :'(

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Well, I got a little done today. I primered the front side of the radiator support.

But I actually got better news.  ;D

First, my car guy friend brought over my old compressor I had totally forgotten about.  ;D
I had given it to him around 11 years ago when I bought a big vertical one. He never really used it and just had it in his storage shed. It is a CH 3.5 horse 11gallon. It still works, but it seemed to get really hot. So I will have to see if it lasts. I don't remember if it needs oil or anything else. Don't have the manual, maybe I can find it online. One real problem I can fix right away is that the plug is tarnished. I need to find my emery cloth and clean that up. That could be why it is getting hot, working too hard with too little current.
And I kept my air tools when we moved from Ohio. So I have an air ratchet, an impact wrench, and I think a sander. Plus lots of compressor rated sockets. Not the highest quality, almost all is CH stuff. But not that bad either.  :o

Second, I got a GM alternator.  ;D ;D ;D
l have been wanting a CS 130 or 144, but didn't have the money to get one. I have the hook up kit for this left over from the Lemans, which is the only real reason I didn't go with a Ford 3G.

Even used on CL they have been out of my price range. :(
Last night for some reason I checked out an ad that said 3800 stuff. Turns out the guy had an alternator from a 96 Pontiac Bonneville and only wanted $5. So this afternoon off to Mesa we went. I am not absolutely sure, but according to what I have found online this is a CS 130. External cooling fan eliminates the 144 according to everything I have read.

One of the things I do is read the CL ads just in case, and for window shopping. Keeps me busy sometimes.  ::)

It is possible that it could be a CS 121( I think that is the third option), but even that will work.

I am going to try to find out for sure, I have a few websites saved about this. I never thought I would find one so cheap.  :o It is supposed to be good with 80K miles, but even if it isn't it will work as a mockup for the mounting. And be a core charge. But unless it is just totally shot, I am going to do the Iceberg modification to it, either the standard or the 140Amp version, both are relatively inexpensive. Did I mention I only paid $5? ;D ;D ;D

Mentally I am doing the happy dance.  ;D :P

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Well, it's a good time to get things done weather is great for the next few days.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

Thanks.

I am really hoping to get it done this weekend so I can put it all back together. I obviously won't be able to get it completely done until I can get some metal to replace what I cut out, and I want to try to make the repair on the driver's side look better. But that can always be done later. I just need to not let the car sit like this very long. Too depressing. Plus too much of a risk of me forgetting how to put it back together.  :-[ :o

The new drill is holding up so far. But the wire wheeling is harder than I thought. That is why I only got the one panel done today. Hopefully I can get an earlier start tomorrow, we (meaning my wife  ::) )don't have any other plans that I know of.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

I forced myself to go out and do a little.

I wire wheeled the passenger side inner fender, just the engine side. Got it primered. And I painted the battery/storage box frame. I can't decide if I am going to paint the underneath part of it or just go ahead and mount it. I am thinking just mount it, so at least I can point to something and say it is finished. I have the wood and hinges for the lid, so once the frame is mounted that will be the next step. I really need to get something completed just for my sanity.  :-[

I still need to get that last bit of the battery tray piece off. I just didn't feel up to being destructive right now. No rush, the car certainly isn't going anywhere any time soon.  :-[

They both look a lot better in pictures than they do in person. Although I did learn a bit, I was trying to make the paint go to far. It works better if I just do a small area with a lot of paint instead of trying to make that same amount cover a larger area. I would really be better with a spray can, but I need to learn to do it this way. Using cheap foam brushes, which isn't helping I am sure. I'll check out both tomorrow after they have fully dried and see how they turned out. The fender well actually doesn't look too bad now, it is much better than the frame was after I primered it, so I am getting there.  ;D

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Thanks. I wish I was dealing with hiring people like you. Most of the applications I put in are online with no name to even contact. Or with recruiters from temp agencies, and when I ask how things are going after a week or so I get the "I'll let you know when I hear anything" response. I have had very few contacts with anyone at an actual hiring company.

I think I have 8 weeks left of unemployment, I need to double check that. After that it is time to panic. Although I am already panicking. Let's all say "would you like fries with that?".

My brother (the CEO/President of his company) asked the person who does his recruiting to look at my resume and to give any thoughts. The resume is good(it should be, he did it) and the only recommendations she gave were things I am already doing. She generally just does higher level job types, we were hoping she might know people who are recruiting more at my level/job type.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dianne

Keep looking and don't give up on the job front! More aggressive applicants, for me anyway, are the ones I look at the most and put a lot of weight on.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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russosborne

I got an email a little while ago. I didn't get the job I just interviewed for. This is getting very depressing. :( :( :( :( :( :'(

I found a couple more things I missed taking off. So I took them off. I hope I am doing the right thing. I have this voice inside saying I will never get this car back together, and I certainly have the history to back that up. :-[

I also found something I hadn't noticed before. The driver's side front half of the fender well (from the repair) is from a different car. I should have realised that before. I think I really am getting stupider as I get older. :(

I was hoping to get a lot done today, but frankly I just don't feel up to it right now.

here a few better pictures.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Here's the last couple of pictures for now. I'll see if I can get better ones during daylight tomorrow.

I took everything off that is bolted on except for the suspension and brakes. Even the steering column, clutch and throttle cables. OOPS, I just remembered I haven't taken the windshield washer squirters off yet. I meant to earlier, I forgot to grab a phillips screwdriver.

I really don't want to mess with the brake lines, will have to see how it goes. Suspension/frame I am going to try to wait on until I have new parts to put on. But then again I said early on that I wasn't going to take this car apart.  :-[

thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Here are some lousy pictures. It is currently raining here.
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

I think I got a little carried away.
Pictures later tonight.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

I decided to be constructively destructive.  ;D

I went out and cut out the bad area on the passenger side. I cut more than was bad to a point, but my intent was to make the replacement be as flat as possible. I think I did that as well as I could. I will have to see how it looks once I get some sheet metal. That may not be for a bit.  :(

I left a bit of the tray mount bracket (?) at the top. I didn't want to cut that far up. So I will have to get out the spot weld bit and see if I can get it off without doing too much damage. And hope there isn't any corrosion behind it.

Now I am ready to remove the harness and all bolt on stuff I can and start wire wheeling the engine compartment inside and out. This is what I bought the primer and will be buying the black top coat for. The battery/storage box frame is just practice painting. I just have to decide how much to remove. I want to remove EVERYTHING, brakes, front suspension, anything that bolts on. But I just am not sure I should at this point. Decisions, decisions.  :-\ It will be a LONG time before I can buy new suspension stuff, and I know I won't want to put the old stuff back on once I get everything nice and painted. But this car HAS to stay a roller at the very least for my sanity.  :-[

Going to head out to get some liquid supplies in a bit. Cans of diet pop/soda. I am almost out. Can't work without it.  ;D   I will get the black paint as well. Then that is it for spending for now. With the drill I have spent way too much this week as it is.  :(

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Almost done with the battery/storage box frame. The new drill works well so far. It has a LOT more torque than the other. The bit grabbed and I almost went flying.  :o Next time I will be ready. No more toy drill.  ;D

Got it primered. I want to paint it even though it won't show. Just have to decide if it is worth the money right now. And the wait. Not supposed to recoat over the primer for 24 hours. Being in Phoenix normally I could cut that down, but today is pretty cool for here and high humidity. Not exactly oven like conditions.  ;D

I used Rustoleum heavy rust primer, the brush on type. I would rather use spray cans, but that gets expensive fast. I will probably have to use the brush on for the color as well. Only $8 a quart, not too bad even for me. The spray cans are like $6 or so and don't cover as much. I guess I will paint it black, that way if any shows after I am done it won't stand out, going to be a black interior. I think. Either that or a dark gray/black combo. :-\

I was looking at the battery tray area from the outer side. I think I am going to just cut out all of the tray area, so I can just use a flat piece of steel to patch it. Remove all the part that "sticks out" into the wheel well area, if that makes it clearer. Sucks that the battery corrosion ruined it. But it is ruined, it isn't worth repairing it back to stock for me since I won't be using that for the battery.

Still no word from either of the two interviews yet. I'm not holding my breath. :(

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Well, I didn't get anything done. My nap turned into a 3.5 hour snooze.  :-[
I have to get up early again tomorrow(well later today now) to take my wife to the dr. So maybe I can get some done afterwards.
I need to, I am starting to feel like a slug. Tuesday would have been a great day to do some except for the rain. But it was the rain that caused the temps to be in the 70's. Not bad for a mid-august day in Phoenix.  8)

I had a strange thought. :o I was looking at the bumper mounts, what the manual calls the isolators, and was wondering why couldn't I take them to a machine shop, have the inner part pressed out, take the rubber off, and then reinsert the metal part. This would let me easily move the bumper while using the stock mounting points on the frame. Would just have to drill some holes once I got the position right.
Any thoughts on this?  :-\

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Thanks.
The interview went well. I am one of 5 people they are interviewing, there is just one more to go. I should hear something by Friday. Would be a good place to work.

Problem is now I am tired out and need a nap or at least a lay down before I can go try out the new drill.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: russosborne on August 20, 2014, 12:43:11 AMI got a call for an interview tomorrow. It is for a job I had written off, I had applied for it about a month ago. So maybe things are picking up in the job front.

Russ
Best of luck Russ, hope it works out for ya..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

Quote from: russosborne on August 20, 2014, 12:43:11 AM
I got a call for an interview tomorrow. It is for a job I had written off, I had applied for it about a month ago. So maybe things are picking up in the job front. Although until I get an offer it won't have picked up enough.  ::)


Good luck with the interview!  Hope it all works out!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne


Thanks.

My B&D is for "light duty" according to the online description. It didn't say anything like that on the box when I bought it. I am sure I thought it wasn't the best, but at the time it was affordable.  :( I wasn't planning on drilling holes in a bunch of fairly thick steel angle. This drill is best for driving screws and drilling into walls to hang curtains and stuff.

I'll have to see if I can get the drill bit out. It is blocking where the screw is for the chuck. I don't have much to lose, it isn't going to work the way it is now.  ;D

I did get another drill today, got home too late to try it out. I honestly should have just waited, but that is something I have never been good at.  :-[
I did get a new set of drill bits. I haven't been looking for bits for quite a while. They have these ones now that are shaped to fit the chuck, instead of being round.Yes, that is news to me.  :-[ So I got a $15 set of Milwaukee bits. I might have had better luck with the keyless chuck with this style.

While we were out getting "craft stuff" for the wife, I got a call for an interview tomorrow. It is for a job I had written off, I had applied for it about a month ago. So maybe things are picking up in the job front. Although until I get an offer it won't have picked up enough.  ::)

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Take the chuck off and measure the shaft :D, Put a key in the chuck and whack it with a hammer it should pop off..

Don't know about that one, my old B&D is about 30yrs old, lol.. ;D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.