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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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74 PintoWagon

Better than no paycheck, something will come up eventually..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

well, I got the check in the mail today. So one less thing to stress about.
I have to do the back brakes on my Subaru before Thursday. I should replace the rotors, but I am just going to do the pads for right now. Should be fun (not), the Pinto is on the only flat piece of concrete. And it isn't moving anywhere soon. Maybe I can get back to it a little this week before I have to work Thursday.

this shift bites, and Intel has a caste system, and contractors are low in it. But it is a paycheck for now. I'm still looking, but nothing at all is out there right now.
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dga57

Quote from: russosborne on September 24, 2014, 09:31:00 PM
We'll see. If I don't get paid Friday it will be borrowing from the parents again. At 55 I had really hoped that I would be past that.
But at least for now we aren't living with them
Russ

Hey Russ,
Lots of us have been there at one point or another along the way!  I'm sure they understand.  Be thankful you have parents and that they are williing and able to help.  I lost my Dad 10 1/2 years ago, and Mom just a little over 2 years ago.  Both were only in their seventies when they passed.  Then, one year ago, I lost my only sibling, and in June and July of this year, two of my very best friends.  I feel rather alone sometimes... thank God for my wife and children!
When you finally get that first paycheck, it will make up for the two-week delay!
Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: russosborne on September 24, 2014, 09:31:00 PM
We'll see. If I don't get paid Friday it will be borrowing from the parents again. At 55 I had really hoped that I would be past that.
But at least for now we aren't living with them
Russ
Well, that's something to be thankful for.. :D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

We'll see. If I don't get paid Friday it will be borrowing from the parents again. At 55 I had really hoped that I would be past that.
But at least for now we aren't living with them
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: russosborne on September 23, 2014, 07:56:35 PM
Yeah. If I have enough money for gas. If we don't starve. If the people we told we would pay some on the bills we owe don't freak.  Etc.
We were really counting on that money being here Friday. I really should know better.

Russ' Law. Murphy and Jones were on happy pills.

Russ
Don't worry it'll all fall into place.. ;)
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

I had actually bid on a fuel cell listed on ebay Sunday night. I was the high bidder for quite awhile, but just after I bid I was like "you idiot, what the heck are you doing? You had better get outbid or else." fortunately I did.
Like I said, I should really know better. If there is any possibility at all of something getting screwed up, I will be the one it happens too.
I strive to be as happy as Charlie Brown. Maybe someday I will get that happy.
About 20 some odd years ago I had a counselor I was seeing. He couldn't decide if I was Charlie Brown or Eeyore.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Yeah. If I have enough money for gas. If we don't starve. If the people we told we would pay some on the bills we owe don't freak.  Etc.
We were really counting on that money being here Friday. I really should know better.

Russ' Law. Murphy and Jones were on happy pills.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Look on the bright side, when you do get paid you'll have an extra week's pay.lol..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

Well,, I agree with your wife about the Zombie Job comment.
This job is pretty much brainless for me. It's like taking a jet mechanic and having him work on tricycles. Literally. And being told that people find it difficult.

And further proof I have my own personal black cloud. Payday is supposed to be this Friday. Well, since my manager or whoever didn't approve my time sheet I am not going to get paid this week. Next payday is two weeks after that, which will be when I get paid. Going to be rough, was really counting on that money this week.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Don't sound bad at all and a good shift :D you'll get used to it before you know it, you're lucky not to get that clean room.. Good luck and get some rest. 8)
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

Russ,

I am definitely NOT a morning person, so I can sympathize with you on the shift you're working.  On the other hand, the working conditions sound like they are better than you had feared.  As you said, it's a job!  The money it brings in should help lessen the tensions that unemployment caused.  I've always heard that it's easier to find a job when you're employed than when you're not, so let's hope this will be the springboard to something better!

Get some rest and take care.

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

Thanks.
I am beat already.
Schedule is: 6a to 6p. Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. And then every other Wednesday.
No clean room. Thank God. I'd be gone already as much as I have to go to the restroom. I'd be suiting and unsuiting for most of the day. But where I am at I can take as many restroom trips as I need to. Averaging about 12 per 12 hour shift so far. That should come down once I get adjusted to this new schedule and the saw palmetto kicks in. Job is too easy, no electronics. I am testing micro processors, but it is a setup and let the computer run the test thing, and no troubleshooting if they fail. for me this is a real brainless job, but it is a job for now.

Don't know when I will get back to the Pinto. I don't think I could lift a screwdriver right now. I should be in bed already, I have to get up at 4am. I just need more than one hour to decompress when I get home, so 8pm bedtime isn't working so far. More like 9-10. Eventually I will get so exhausted I will be able to just come home and collapse. I was doing that at GE back in Ohio. It was not good for me though. That was when I tried to kill myself. At least here it is only 3 or 4 days a week, there it was always 5. I need a mental relaxation break every day.
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

That's not bad working straight through, wife hated that bunny suit or the job she said it was a Zombie job, LOL.. Anyhow, best of luck in the quest..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

That's understandable, but best of luck regardless!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

Intel's general way of doing it is 4 days one week, 3 days the next. Like Wed thru Sat, then Wed thru Friday. All days are in a row.
I still don't know. I am going to be working what Intel calls shift 7. But no clue yet about days/hours. Find out in about 10 hours I guess. Been trying to find that out on line, but haven't been able to yet.
I'm really worried about some physical problems I have. Bad back, bad knees, bad bladder. The last could be a real problem if I have to get out of the bunny suit every hour to go to the restroom. Taking a bunch of Saw Palmeto, but don't know if that is going to help enough. I might be back to unemployed this time tomorrow.

the job search continues regardless. This job has a countdown clock already started on it by Intel. I don't want to be in this position in a year from now, or even sooner. Having a job takes some pressure off of the search, but knowing that it is a job with no future puts some of the pressure back.

Thanks
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Not bad if you can work it all in a row, but when they split it up that sucks you never can do anything.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

I do 12 hour shifts every other weekend, but it gives me an extra day off on the opposite weekend.  The end result is that I never work more than four consecutive days... and often only two or three.  Not bad.  It's all in what you get used to. 


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

74 PintoWagon

Wife did that 12hr thing at Motorola 6-6 nights for a year, they called it "compressed work week", work only 4 days but never had 3 days off in a row and always had to work either Saturday or Sunday your choice, that sucked big time.. :( :(
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

Hang, he said. HAHAHAHAHA.
OOPs, probably not funny.

I got the leaf springs completely apart finally yesterday. Had to take a BFH to get the larger bushings out. One of these days maybe I can get another hyd. press.
That's about all I have gotten done.

I had my first day at Intel today. Was just an orientation, about 6 hours. I still don't know anything about the actual job yet. I may not find out until Thursday.

I probably will be a lot slower on the Pinto now. It will take me quite a while to get used to working again, especially if it is for 12 hours a day.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Hang in there Russ, better days are coming..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

It was still pretty bad here, at least to me. Although tonight I didn't get anything done, so I don't know how it was.


Depression ess you see kks.
For no apparent reason I just went into a really deep hole tonight. One of those "if I had a gun" types.
Then I find out that I have about a few days if that left of my antidepressant. Oh joy. Starting off a new job I already hate and I won't be on my "barely keeps me from killing myself" pills. Should be a fun week.

On a different note I got the tach and gas gauge today. Have to see if I can get the dash panel done or not. Right now when I look at the Pinto all I see is a pile of scrap. Yes, due to the depression, but odds are it is going to get worse, not better.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Humidity went down big time yesterday, could work outside without flooding the place with sweat, lol..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

Well, the right stuff in this one would have to be non alcoholic.  :(
O'Douls is ok, the amber is much better to me than the regular. St. Pauli's Girl was one of my favorites back when I drank the real stuff, but the n/a version isn't that good. Haven't found a dark version of that one. Now if Heineken would make one that would be perfect.
It is setup as a bottle dispenser, not sure about the actual age of it, but from what searching I have done it looks like early to mid 70's. I'd be seeing it it works ok here (only tried it in Ohio) but afraid it would run up the electrical too much right now. I need to move it, it is on an east facing outside wall right now. One of these days.  :-[ I could barely get it inside as it was by myself. When we first moved in the room was too full to have the nephews helping us do it. So I ended up doing it alone, as usual.  :'(

I have my first project on the bench. ;D I tore down the 8inch rear and the housing is on the bench (on plastic trash bags) waiting to be cleaned up/stripped/painted. There is quite a bit of grease/grime on the bottom where the pumpkin goes. Otherwise it is pretty clean of grease/grime.  The housing was very clean of gear oil, this rear had to have been apart recently, or at least since it was last used. Which I figured on seeing as it had only 3 nuts on the pumpkin. Problem is I seem to be sensitive to gear oil smell. It's making me feel pretty bad even though there really isn't any liquid. I have the rest of it in the same enclosed carport as well. Health-wise it would be best for it to be outside for me, but I don't want to get anything ruined either. I'm already ruined. :-\

I still haven't finished taking the second leaf spring assembly apart. I need to do that soon, my plan/hope is to have the rear and springs ready to go when I get all the bushings and hardware in the next week or so. I will just put the bare rear housing on, the plan is to get different gears for it, and also I need to have the axle bearings replaced. Along with having them re-drilled for 5 lugs. Plus it will just plain be much easier for me to deal with a bare housing when I install it. I can deadlift the full rear, but I doubt if I could bench press it. Working alone I have to keep safety in mind, even when it is a hit to my ego.

I'm also supposed to be getting the tach and gas gauge I just bought in the next couple of days. That will be everything but a speedometer. Oil pressure, H2O temp, volts, gas, and rpms. If this was a race car I wouldn't need the speedo.  ;D
I am going to try to get the new instrument panel made before I start working. Still debating from the thread in the off topic section about using aluminum or wood. I have the wood I would want to use. Would still have to buy the aluminum. I think the aluminum I would be getting would be too thin to be used without a backing anyway. So wood looks like the winner, but I feel like I am cheating by using that. I have found some engine turned vinyl that would be going over the panel no matter what I use to make it, so it really doesn't matter, it will look the same either way. Only I would know for sure. Or is that only her hairdresser knows for sure. ? ;D (something for the older ones (like me) among us)

On the job front, I got my first day instructions but still have no clue about my actual schedule. The first day is just orientation and things like safety training. It is looking like I start at 6am. But I don't know if it is an 8 hour or 12 hour day, and what days. This is very stressful to me. I haven't even started and already part of me wants to tell them to "take this job and ..... it".  >:( Problem is it really does seem like if I get interviewed I don't get the job.  :-[

Oh, and in other news, I found that the small window that the enclosed carport has (in addition to the patio doors) does have a screen frame. Screen is totally missing though. I meant to get to HD today to buy some new screening and the rubber insert thing that holds it in, but didn't make it there. I am hoping having that window open will help with both the heat and now the gear oil odor. It isn't a huge window, maybe 12x16 or so, but it's a lot better than nothing. I was out there last night organizing my sockets in the drawers of the new bench with a fan blowing and both the patio door and the window open. It wasn't too bad. Felt like it dropped the temp at least 20 degrees over when it is closed up at the same time of night.  8)

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Looks good, a bench makes life a lot easier, so can a Coke machine with the right ingredient in it.. ;D ;D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

Nothing beats having a decent place to work!  Looks good, Russ!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

I did nothing at all with the car today.

But I did something that should really help in the future. I built a workbench.

I didn't start out the day with that in mind. I had to go out and about, and one of the places we stopped at was a local thrift store called Savers. I just had a gut feeling I needed to go there and we were right by it. So we go in looking for dvd racks, and I see one kitchen cabinet. Looked at the price, it was $9.99. I told my wife there is my bench. Got it home, it barely fit with my wife's wheelchair in back. Then I went to Home Depot to buy some 2x4s. $76 dollars later (ok, I did buy something for the Pinto, I bought a 2 inch and a 3 inch hole saw for the gauges) and about 2 hours of fun work (I like wood working) and I have a bench. It certainly isn't the best I have ever built, but at about $55 total into it it is definitely the cheapest. And it will do what I need it to do. I wouldn't stand on this one, but I didn't build it to be that sturdy. No need to right now, and no money to either. At least one bench I built, the one I had in Akron when I had the 79 ran over $200. I at over 300lbs could jump up and down on it and it wouldn't budge.
But now I have a place to drill, cut, and just work with things other than the radiator support of the Pinto. Yes, I was clamping stuff onto it so I could do stuff like drill and cut.  :-[

Not sure what is up with the middle picture, but the cabinet is closest to the color in the first and last pictures.

And yes, the Coke machine does somewhat work. It gets cold, but the change taker has problems. We aren't using it right now, restoring it is another down the road project. Brought it from Ohio. At least I didn't get rid of it, although I came close. But my wife really wanted us to keep it if we could, so I managed to make sure we had the room for it. And no, the workbench isn't attached to it. It just came right up to it.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

I've been a very very naughty boy the last hour or so. :P
Let's just say I will be able to reinstall the 8 inch rear with the leaf springs having all new stuff in about a week.
Shame on me.  ;D
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

I was doing some searching on the leaf spring bushings here and came across the 73 Pangra Project thread where TurboPinto72 posted about using these(not from amazon when he bought them)
http://www.amazon.com/Prothane-6-1051-Spring-Shackle-Bushing/dp/B002P8RJYA

For that price I am using those too unless there is a major difference between the 73 and 74. And I can keep the stock shackles.  ;D

OOPS, I just read some more and he stated that you have to turn down the shackle bushings. Still, I guess that is easier/better than trying to use other shackles. Looks like I will need to buy a caliper set.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Hmmm,. I thought I had posted about these leaf spring bushings here. Maybe it was in the general help section.
Anyway, I found these
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Chrysler-Pinto-Leaf-Spring-Bushings,7206.html
I had thought that they were for the front eyes. Turns out they are for the rear/shackles. And they require a 9/16 bolt. I don't know what size bolt is stock. Not sure if I want to do change shackles. And all of Speedway's shackles are too short. Center to center they are 1.5inch, mine at least are 2.5 inch c to c.
And I won't be reusing the stock shackles. Bolt is 1/2 inch, and pressed in or maybe welded. Either way that stops me from modifying them.
Now I have to try to find the front poly bushings that seem common.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.