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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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74 PintoWagon

Art
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dick1172762

Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dick1172762 on May 16, 2014, 09:35:26 AM
     ART! Does that tool also work to remove the rocker arms?
Yes it does both jobs, check out my thread I started yesterday there's a pic.
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dick1172762

Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

amc49

The idle feed restriction is actually slightly misnamed, it should be called the OFF idle feed restriction, it regulates fuel to the transfers which should really not be supplying idle fuel. The curb idle or mixture screw cuts into that metered amount to meter it even lower for pure idle alone. As soon as you go to anything above dead idle the bigger pressed in restriction comes into use.

http://books.google.com/books?id=_fTHcnYMyywC&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=holley+carb+idle+feed&source=bl&ots=XFvtN-qh7h&sig=Cp0I6_lPOu09gGG1KVFjqqED4J0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zsR1U7ejGYGRqgbs3YKIDQ&ved=0CGcQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=holley%20carb%20idle%20feed&f=false

Look close at the pics and the idle system split that occurs at the mixture screw. Also shows (just barely) the holes you drill in butterflies to keep the transfer slot and butterfly in correct position.

If the carb has a 'reverse' idle system then the transfer and curb idle fuel is the same degree of richness (screw meters air not fuel in that case) unlike the standard system which can be different from each other.

74 PintoWagon

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dick1172762

ART! I want one too.(spring compressor)
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

74 PintoWagon

Yep, you need a spacer but at that price I'll just make my own, those manuals always leave the important stuff out, the Ford manual tells how but it's kinda self explanatory when you pop the valve cover and have the tool. There's different style tools but I like this one since I can use my ratchet in any position that's convenient for space, I'm about to start on mine now.



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kerryann

i always preferred the center pull slide carburetors on the old jap bikes.  my vacuum carbs on my yamaha xs650 are a pain and have worn out throttle shafts that make tuning a nightmare.  the vacuum carbs on my cb350 work fine though.  set the center pull carbs on my sister's cb175 twin years ago and haven't even had to touch them since.

74 pinto wagon, i haven't read if theres a section on valve seals in my pinto manual, forget if its clymer or chilton's.  is there a step by step on doing those somewhere?  friend has a chevy small block style spring compressor, not sure whats needed for these little motors.

also the efi intake has a 4 barrel type plenum correct? with an odd bolt pattern.  how can i adapt (easily) the two barrel to bolt up to it?  or do i have to use the tig welder and bridgeport and make my own?

it very well could be guides, this is a stock ford motor, not a rebuild.  has 42k original miles, did a lot of sitting over the years.  can't really tell how loose guides are without taking springs off though correct?

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: amc49 on May 13, 2014, 08:55:15 PM
the true feed restriction is the mixture screw.
It's only part of it and a lot of times it needs more, be surprised what happens when you change the hole size..

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amc49

Sure the guides not dead? New motor in no way guarantees tight guides. If seals came in a budget all-in-one rebuild kit then often they cook way too early, often made from crap rubber.

Open exhaust=open header, I  figured you were cruising the dirt track 4 cylinder carb threads..........no matter, if their tune setups don't work you still dump the pony quick and go your own way. I've never followed any setup ever and had the jetting and other carb parameters be exactly as on the example. Even the area of the country you are in can affect that, I noticed on CV type carbs on my old CBF bike that I could run low restriction foam air filters with no issue but everybody else having hell with carbs not working right, big flat spots, I traced it eventually to geographic area that the user was in, upper north had more trouble, the bike was that sensitive to the CVs being messed with. If case you don't know, CV type carbs are another whole planet, they do not work at all like direct opening type carb (what cars use). Ford made one once, the variable venturi 2 bbl., most people do not understand them and dump them with any trouble at all. I've got one laying around and played with the idea of putting it on a Pinto. It should help the low and mid but probably limit top end, what CVs generally do. Kendig (later the Predator carb) made a big one, 900+ cfm for race cars. We had one on a 440 GTX and the word stump puller was made for that combo. No carb tuning parts needed at all, you adjusted the A/F with a simple cam/ramp adjustment on them.

Some Holley idle feed restrictions are buried in  uplegs in the metering block, you can't get to them. They are purposed slightly too big anyway, the true feed restriction is the mixture screw.

74 PintoWagon

Lower EFI intake is the way to go got mine on E-Gay. Valve seals are easy gonna do mine this week as soon as this frikkin wind stops since I have to do it outside.
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kerryann

not sure what you're referring to when you say open exhaust.  the threads i found of other people's jetting and power valve selection were on this forum on street cars.  open exhaust to me is no muffler.  we have the header and were running a single cheap turbo muffler and stock pipe size to the back, think it was a hair under 2".  No catalytic converters.  next time around i think i will go to a larger diameter exhaust.  really looking to go to a better intake but not sure which one to look for.  seen offenhauser, spearco, and some others, not sure what the best one to get would be.  don't really want to go to 4 barrel just because i have the 2 barrel already working.

couldn't find any 61 jets, going to order some.  i've noticed the car is in need a valve seals.  either that or the guides are really worn but the motor only has 42k on it.  how hard of a job is changing seals on these motors?

74 PintoWagon

Don't live in no vacuum, learn everyday, nothing new about converting to 4 corner idle either. And BTW, metering blocks also have idle feed restriction that can be tuned.. :D
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amc49

LOL, I know but...............

'Just thought someone has wondered about that in the past. '

Surely you guys don't live in a vacuum. The learning never stops. And can lead to you even figuring out a simple 2 bbl. Look at how many 302 freaks are here as well........

I built 4 corner idle Holleys before they were offered by Holley...............you drill the idle air bigger and block the grooves that run front to back in the base plate to sever the two circuits. Drag racing ATX cars liked them better, the response when the secondaries dump open was better.

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

amc49

If idle to wide open is fine leave the pump alone and jet richer. You were comparing the usual jetting with other cars, they have open exhaust, you may need more jet since closed exhaust makes carb signal pull less. Go with what your car tells you, often that may fly in the face of what others are doing.

If carb is manual choked with cable you can roughly replicate bigger jet by partially closing choke to increase booster pull, same as increasing jet.

FYI, the outboard idle air feeds in top of carb are bigger in front of all Holleys because of the idle mixture screw in the metering block, the screw sets the restriction there instead of the top air hole. The back barrel holes are small since they are the limits there. Only on 4 corner setting idle carbs do they get bigger like the fronts. Just thought someone has wondered about that in the past.

kerryann

left the 7.5 power valve in it but went to 31 squirter and 59 jets (two sizes up from 57).  flat spot didnt go away but got better.  once hot it no longer has a dead flat spot but more of spot where it pulls a little weak then recovers.  this is a check ball accelerator pump vs the newer rubber plug pump. id like to try the newer style rubber plug if i can find a center hung bowl that has this style in my pile of holley parts.  not sure if it will make much difference though.

pretty sure there is just an issue getting off idle circuit to main circuit.  don't think i have a power valve issue, idle to WOT is fine, just transition under light throttle is weak.  stock jetting for this carb is 61.  since going to 59s improved it i think i should probably keep going and see what happens.  problem is i dont have any higher jets than 59 until about 66.  gotta try and track some down to borrow in case it's the wrong direction to go. making progress though.  been putting some miles on it.


amc49

You can move the idle speed screw a LITTLE bit, just not much. Any more and you start looking to drill holes in butterflies to let more air pass. Or rig like I've done before-use like V-8 PCV valve with bigger opening to let more air butt or aquarium air valves for aquarium air pumps, run vacuum line and then through air valve, then you have a variable air leak you can easily tune with.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dick1172762 on May 10, 2014, 05:36:26 PM
ART! See why I'm using a Autolite / Motorcraft.
Yep, that's why I'm looking for one myself.. :D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dick1172762

ART! See why I'm using a Autolite / Motorcraft.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

74 PintoWagon

Best thing would be to put it back to the way it was out of the box and start over, at the bottom of the page of the instruction manual pick your list number for the specs.
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kerryann

looks like i have the right gasket.  maybe i have to jet up.  kind of at a loss here.  i don't see any real suspect issues.

74 PintoWagon

Here's the right gasket for 2300. Slot almost all covered is good..

http://www.holley.com/108-91-2.asp

Maybe this might be of interest too.

http://www.holley.com/data/Products/Technical/199R7950-7rev7.pdf
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

kerryann

almost forgot i took pictures too

kerryann

did some disassembly.  all ports seem to be clean and flow air.

One thing i have stumbled upon is that the gasket im using does not have a hole in it for the outside (larger) air bleeds in the main body.  this is a trick kit gasket and im running out of all the different variations.  i could have swore that this was a direct match to the old crusty one i took out when i rebuilt it but i could be wrong.  Should this air bleed passage have a hole in the gasket on each side? the kits i see for the holley 350 on ebay do not have this hole in the gasket.  and again im almost certain that i matched up the gasket with the one that came out perfectly

also the slots are completely covered just barely.  nothing showing.

74 PintoWagon

Sounds like you could have clogged up passages wouldn't hurt to clean them out, you want the least amount of transfer slot exposed as possible.
Art
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kerryann

i currently have a 7.5 in it.  had 5.5 to start and then 6.5 and none of them had any effect on this stumble.  i was concered that at light throttle acceleration that vacuum drops down to 5"  thats opening the power valve circuit and could be too much?  especially since there is no hesitation when throttle is flat footed wide open.  the car starts to pull from idle (13") to maybe 1/4-1/3 throttle (13" down to about 5") then at a certain degree of throttle opening or sooner if on a hill it drops under 5" and goes right to 0" and flattens right, recovers and you start to see about 2-3" vacuum on the gauge as it climbs in rpm.

since its so early it must be an idle passage/mixture problem.  im going to try and clean it and set the blades right.  barely visible transition slot to about .020" is correct right?  and after that you can't really play with the throttle screw correct?


74 PintoWagon

Quote from: kerryann on May 09, 2014, 09:36:08 PM
some squirters have little brass nozzles that direct the fuel a little closer to the booster vs just the drilled orifice.  they give you both types of each number with the trick kit.  theres a third kind called anti pullover squirters but theyre for spread bores
Ok, you're talking tube type and they don't really mean much it's the volume(hole size), the number on them is the hole size in thousands, and big is not always good you can get the same effect from too much fuel, I always start small and drill them one size at a time until the stumble goes away, but if it stumbles without whacking the throttle then you have other issues, it could be the power valve, the number on them tells the amount of vacuum it takes to hold them closed, so whatever your vacuum is at idle you want the next number that it will hold it closed, so say you have 15in of vacuum you don't want one that won't open till 5in, that will take too long for it to open and you'll get a stumble.
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