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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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It's unbelievable

Who are the Jews

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SEB3w3A98rU

it is our money

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wiu9N1H0Huc

The most devastating genocide in the world is being carried out by the follwoing :

1- AIPAC, brows ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COx-t-Mk6UA ).
2- Miriam Adelson brows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr0LkA7VW7Q.
3- Elon Musk.
3- Timothy mellonand brows https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1XJ893-kAh0 
4-The Evangelical Church,

Which kill innocent women and children in Gaza.

The most devastating genocide in the world is being carried out by AIPAC  ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COx-t-Mk6UA ) and the Evangelical Church, which kill innocent women and children in Gaza.

AIPAC and The Evangelical Church (America) provided Israel with TNT (explosives) for their GENOCIDE.

Gaza has been declared a disaster area and lacks essential resources for living in it, as follows.

AIPAC, The Evangelical Church, Miriam Adelson, Elon Musk, and timothy mellon and   America tax payer, (America), and Israel destroyed 90% of Gaza, destroying 437,600 homes, and killing one million people, including 50 thousand who are currently under rubble, 80% of whom are women and children.

AIPAC, The Evangelical Church, Miriam Adelson, Elon Musk, and timothy mellon and   America tax payer, (America), and Israel destroyed 330,000 meters of water pipes, resulting in people not being able to drink water.

AIPAC, The Evangelical Church, Miriam Adelson, Elon Musk, and timothy mellon and   America tax payer, (America), and Israel destroyed more than 655,000 meters of underground sewer lines. Now people have no washrooms to use.

AIPAC, The Evangelical Church, Miriam Adelson, Elon Musk, and timothy mellon and   America tax payer, (America), and Israel destroyed 2,800,000 two million eight hundred thousand meters of roads, causing people to have no roads to use.

AIPAC, The Evangelical Church, Miriam Adelson, Elon Musk, and timothy mellon and   America tax payer, (America), and Israel have destroyed 3680 km of electric grid, which has caused people to lose electricity.

AIPAC, The Evangelical Church, Miriam Adelson, Elon Musk, and timothy mellon and   America tax payer, (America), and Israel destroyed 48 hospitals and leveled them to the ground. Now, no one will have a hospital to save their lives.

AIPAC, The Evangelical Church, Miriam Adelson, Elon Musk, and timothy mellon and   America tax payer, (USA), and Israel destroyed over 785,000 students' ability to attend school and learn. Their actions resulted in the complete destruction of 494 schools and universities, many of which were destroyed by bombing.

AIPAC, The Evangelical Church, Miriam Adelson, Elon Musk, and timothy mellon and   America tax payer, (America), and Israel destroyed 981 mosques to prevent homless people from asking God for help.

AIPAC, The Evangelical Church, Miriam Adelson, Elon Musk, and timothy mellon and   America tax payer, have made over 39000 small children orphans and left them without parents or relatives to care for them.
 
There has never been a war in history where 80% of the country has been destroyed, 100% of the population has been displaced, and 50% of the deaths are children.

Don't hesitate to call it what it is

AIPAC ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COx-t-Mk6UA ) and The Evangelical Church (America) are creating a GENOCIDE.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IrX9v6DKH1g

see why Israel can kill innocent children with American taxpayer money

1- see Why Israel is in deep trouble

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAfIYtpcBxo

2- Because the God of Money of our World is a Jew who supports and lives in Israel. For more details, click on the following link.

https://mega.nz/file/FqhzGKbB#bsX4PD-O59HEA0-rynD29xkk47dmddycY5CjZfoDLYg

3- Because what USA president say about AIPAC and  The Evangelical Church (America)
 https://www.tiktok.com/@thefearlessqueenmel/video/7307640994579680542?lang=en&q=why%20dont%20Americans%20knowl%20what%20you%20have%20seen%20&t=1701880206555

See how innocent children are killed by the most powerful Israeli using American bombs at

Al Jazeera Arabic Live

at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COx-t-Mk6UA

Watch the real news at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNyUyrR0PHo

Laws of jews Taurãt (Torah) wich is a part of the Bible
 
We ordained in Taurãt for them: “A life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth and for a wound an equal retaliation."

The Torah, which is part of the Bible, has commanded that the same be done to the Jews. The order of the Torah, which is part of the Bible, is to immediately kill any Jew you see on the street. Since the Jews in Gaza have also killed women and children, you should kill any Jews - men, women, and children - as soon as you see them, whether on the street or anywhere else. And because they have killed everyone in Gaza without mercy, you must do the same to them. If you carry out these actions, you will be following the order of the Torah, which is part of the Bible, and you will be rewarded by going to heaven.



74 PintoWagon

Friend of mine made a safety switch out of the cigarette lighter, saved his car from being stolen once.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

jeremysdad

Guess I'll play with stuff with the key on/off. I know there is a blank fuse slot.

Or I could tap off the headlight switch, so it would only run with the lights on. <---cheaper than an alarm/anti-theft system. lol jk

Guess I should get myself off here and just get to it. :)

74 PintoWagon

I always try and take off an auxiliary terminal off the fuse box, that way I know it's a direct 12v. Now this time I found one in that reset switch on the fender, it put out 12.3 volts and seems to be working good, so far anyways..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

jeremysdad

Anybody know (so I don't have to beg or buy a multi-meter or test light) what a good wire is to tap at the steering column to get 12v in run? There are 2 that are already tapped with the clamshell-type connectors (from someone's install of something in the past), so if one of those would work, that would be stellar. :)

Thanks again, guys!

amc49

Thinking the short term use of the 12V jumper off solenoid won't hurt. The problem comes from gradual overheating of the main switching transistor by using too much amp longer term. Eventually it fails the transistor.

74 PintoWagon

The Hot-Spark is a no brainer, red to the positive black to the negative on the coil, a direct switched 12 volt wire to the coil and you're done.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Wittsend

I have a Pertonix in my '64 Studebaker Daytona (350 Chevy powered).  I went a bit nuts-o like you are. I don't know if this solves your problem, but it might help explain:

1. A lot of people think because the Pertronix is an electronic device it sends 12V+ to the coil.  That is not true.  The Pertronix does exactly what the points do.  It makes and breaks the (-) negative side of the coil to ground - all be it electronically not mechanically like points.

2. With that in mind my Pertronix (the red wire) goes directly to 12V+ on the ignition switch.  A common mistake people make is to wire the red Pertronix power wire to the resistive side of the positive wiring.   This will allow the car to seemingly start (bypassed to 12V+), but as soon as the key returns to the "run" position it dies or runs awful because it is getting its power through the resistor.

3. It is the 12V+ that goes to the coil (and its subsequent current through a resistor) that determines the load (amperage).  I recall Pertronix had the math formula on their website to help simplify the process.   They stated that if the coil and resistor did not exceed a certain amperage you were OK.

4. Yes, most system typically have 12V+ to the coil at cranking and when the key goes to the "run" position it drops through the resistor.

5. If you have the lower end Pertronix (I do) you need to be careful not to have it powered without the car running. They say 30 seconds is the limit.  To facilitate testing with the key in the run position I have the red wire run through a bullet connector.  I disconnect as needed.

I am not familiar with the Hot Spark system.  But hopefully something I relayed will be helpful.   All the best and hope you get it sorted out.

Tom



74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

jeremysdad

I went that far back in my 'research'. They were still 6-volt systems then, yeah?

74 PintoWagon

Mine is 65 so it had a plain ole coil and an external resistor, actually I still had to have an external resistor because this Bosh alternator puts out 14.4 volts and the coil was getting way too hot.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

jeremysdad

Ironically enough, I did some cross-checking, and a stock 71 Beetle coil is internally resistored at 3 Ohms. Found one at O'Reilly for $16.99. :)

Or I could be wrong. Parts stores all list 2, one states external resistor, one without. I got the one 'without'. *sheepish

74 PintoWagon

I went through this in my bug with Hot-Spark, I wanted to use the resitor I had and I was told no, I had to have a coil with a built in resistor because I had to have a full 12V to the coil then the resistor does the rest, I'm not into electrics so I didn't question it I just got me a Flamethrower coil and it's been running for 2 years now and hasn't skipped a beat, works for me.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

jeremysdad

Pertronix/Hot-Spark/whathaveyou require that the coil have a primary resistance of 3.0 ohms or greater.

My confusion comes in here: If the coil is 1.5 ohms, and the resistor wire is 1.5 ohms...is the issue that the 'I' terminal on the solenoid provides 12 volts to the coil + during cranking (bypasses resistor)? <--Have discovered that is the mystery function of the second solenoid post, and Dura-Spark equipped vehicles don't utilize it because there were no points to burn. :)

Curious if there's a real world workaround for this, other than going to AutoZone and buying a $32 coil (Hot-Spark reports that an LU800 is 3 ohms...stock coil for many British cars of our era and available for pick up at my local AZ. I guess maybe Ford thought 1 coil over here, with resistor wire for 4 cyls, without for 8's was a way to cut costs. lol)

Electrical guru's, feel free to chime in. I don't care to melt $50 components due to my basic understanding of Ohm's law. :)

Thanks again, guys!