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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

My 71 Pinto Project: 2.0L to 2.3L turbo (Loooong read...)

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Hey Mike, stick with it. I relocated my engine mounts lower so I could close the hood and have some room left over. The tranny crossmember is actually only about 1" +/_  . you will need to elongate the hole untill it fits in the stud. The belhousing should be allmost touching the fire wall ( leave room for the head of the bolts. When I did mine, I used a bare block with a pan on it and mocked it up. I probably took the mock up in and out of the car about 50 times................. :o >:( ;D
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
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1971, 289 Pinto

MikeSVO

I got some 2.3 mounts and cut out the 2.0 mounts.  So far, this looks like it's going to be a LOT harder than everyone said.  There's a brake line in the way.  The tranny crossmember doesn't come CLOSE to lining up.  I don't know WHERE to reference the engine's location from.  I was told the Fox driveshaft would work, and if it does, that would be a HUGE help.  Then I could bolt it in, connect it to the tranny and just see where everything is.  As it is, I'm totally flying blind...  I might have had plans for this long weekend, but now I know what I'll be doing! 

Starting to wish I had started with a 2.3 Pinto...
But I'm gonna get it in there no matter what. 





That's what I got the welder for!!  hahaha....

MikeSVO

OK, that's good to know.  When I get back from my trip I'll be looking in to that.  There IS a 78 Pinto in a junkyard not too far away.  Maybe I'll be making a trip.  Hope the car is still there!

Thanks!

Pintony

Hey Mike,
Remove the 2.0 mounts and install the 2.3 engine mounts on top 2 bolts and then drill the new holes in the frame install botom bolts and your done the placement should be ok.
I did the swap the other way 2.3 to 2.0  and that is all I did.
LMK if I can help later.
From Pintony

MikeSVO

Nice, thanks for those replies!  I had to cut that last part off early, but there's a bit more to get up to speed...

I DID get the '71.  It's a Runabout, which I didn't REALLY want, but it's tough to find Pintos around here.  I went up there with a friend of mine and bought it from an old guy.  It is in *decent* shape.  It's mostly straight, with the exception being the rear quarters.  There's a story behind it that the old man told me about a previous owner, barndoors and a windy day...  There's a minimal amount of rust on the entire car, which was originally sold in Jacksonville.  It makes the SVO really look like a rustbucket.  It's a 2.0/4-speed and ran well when we started our trip... 

It was in Clermont FL, near Orlando.  I live in Ft. Myers, again about 3 hours away.  We began driving back and about a half hour into the trip, it sputtered once.  Then again a little while later...and again...and then one cylinder stopped firing...and next thing I know I can't even get it to hold 35 mph!  Maybe it's somehow symbolic, but it finally died, and would not restart...in Sebring of all places!  Now, I know the SVO pretty darn well at this point, but I'm a youngin'.  To me, carbs are normally something you eat, and the ones in cars are something made of metal and a few gaskets, but operate mostly on voodoo.  But I figured that it wasn't smoking or popping, so maybe the carb is in the ballpark.  We pulled the plugs and they were BLACK.  At the parts store I asked for plugs, wires a cap and a rotor ("A Pinto?  Who makes that?").  All they had was the rotor and plugs.  We were putting in the last plug and I was thinking, "There's no WAY this is it..".  I reached in and turned the key and it fired right up!  I looked at my buddy and said, "Let's go with it!" and threw the tools into his truck and got back on the road.  It was smooth sailing for the next couple hours, made it home safe and sound even though the brakes could be described as 'theoretical'. 

So the plan goes like this:  8" rear, 2.3 turbo, Turbo Coupe 5-speed manual, Turbo Coupe Computer, XR4ti wiring harness, Holset HY-35W Turbo, a Fox-stang driveshaft, some intercooler (TBD) and maybe some other bits along the way. 

I got the Turbo off ebay for $186 delivered.  The engine and auto tranny were $300, though I sold the auto for $75 and bought a TC manual tranny for $65.  I got the TC LA2 computer for $40, the XR harness for $35 and a sweet RCI fuel cell off ebay for $112 delivered (only a *decent* deal as it turned out).  Then I found a 1976 Mustang II Cobra II V8 parts car on ebay for $45, and it was local!  I asked the guy if I could buy the 8" rear seperately.  I figured maybe he'd end the auction and I could get it from him for $150 or so, but he said to win the auction first.  On the plus side, he said if I did win, I could get what I wanted and he'd have the rest removed.  So I won the auction for $46.  I got the rear, 4 rims and tires (black steelies, but wider than the Pinto's), the rear sway bar, all the chrome lugnuts and best of all, a Grant steering wheel WITH the correct hub adapter! 

I then replied to an ad on here from a guy who was looking for the parts I was going to take out.  Well, turns out he lives in Ft. Myers, too (I still can't believe some of the luck I've had so far).  So on Sunday I hefted the 8" into the Pinto and drove to his place.  We pulled out the 6.75" and put in the 8".  Now for some actual useful info:  the sway bar doesn't work, but the rear itself was a total drop-in.  Brake lines, mounting points...everything.  We thought the junction block for the brakes (on driver's side axle tube) wouldn't work at first, but later on I found out that it DOES work.  The 'new' rear needs wheel cylinders, but we had already planned on trailering my car back anyway, so that wasn't a problem.  That night I tore into the rear brakes and connected the e-brake cables.  The 71 cables are the same, and after I adjusted them I could yard drive the car around. 

That pretty much brings us to where I am now.  Kip (the fellow who helped me swap the rears) and I discovered that the motor mounts are in NO way compatable.  I had been under the impression that I could cut the 2.0 mounts off the frame rails and re-weld them about 4" forward and bolt the 2.3 right up.  Well that's NOT the case.  Luckily, he's got a set of 2.3 Pinto mounts, and I think we're just going to have to fiddle with them to see how they work (we're doing some crazy parts trading at this point).  I'll definately post THOSE results since that will be helpful to clear up. 

Things that need condsideration at this point:

-Do I NEED a limited slip diff?  This one's open.  Could I use a spool?  It'll see limited street use anyway.  How much abuse will the 8" take with a manual trans? 

-Where/how to mount the fuel cell?  I looked at Kip's racecar and got some ideas, but since he's running a carb and I need to mount an inline pump, I need to consider a couple other things.  Some on here have given me suggestions, and I thank you guys!

-What type of fuel lines to use?  I might nab some Ford nylon stuff out of the junkyard since you can get all the fittings for that stuff at any parts store. 

-Motor mounts, of course...

There's more, I know, but I can't think of it right away.  I'll get pics up soon although I won't get to do anything for about a week since I'm going out of town tomorrow.  I'm kinda writing this up as a notepad type thing for myself, too.  Once I get pictures, this will probably be MUCH more entertaining!  I'll be updating this when I get back!

-Mike

Pintony

Hey MIKESVO,
I just got off the phone with the guy that had the 71 Pinto.
WE just closed the deal.

Just kidding! ;D

Go for the 71 Pinto!!!
BUT a 74 or newer Pinto with A/C will make your life much easyer to do the swap.
KEEP US POSTED!!!!!!
From Pintony in Illinois


MikeSVO

Since this is the 'projects' forum, I've decided to kinda log my progress/story here.  I figure I can make a good read out of it and maybe help others who are trying to do the same thing.  I've found a bunch of info online that I THOUGHT would help me out, but turned out to be a little bit um... less than true.  So maybe I'll help to clear some of it up.

First off, the background info.  My whole Pinto infatuation is something I try to keep on the down-low.  I'm really a Mustang guy.  At least that's what I tell people.  When I was about 5, we had 3 Fords: an Econoline van, a brown '70 Mach 1 Mustang and an equally brown '80 Pinto sedan.  It was a 2.3L with a 4-speed.  I loved that thing...  Dad was an engineer type who nabbed a turbo off of a Corvair and wanted to put it on the Pinto.  He never got around to it after my folks split up. 

Fast forward about 10 years--->  15 year old me is at a yardsale where I buy a handful of Mustang magazines to look at the pictures.  In the January 1995 issue of Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords is a guy named Joe Morgan.  He's got a '76 Pinto with a 2.3L Turbo from a T-Bird!  Now I knew all about Mustang, so I knew that the SVO also had this little mill.  OK, skip a couple more years ---> 

We move out of town a bit, so I need a car now.  I start shopping and find, of all things...A 1980 Pinto, just like our old one, with a Mustang SVO 2.3L Turbo engine already in it!  Asking price?  $2800!  Apparently someone else saw the brilliance of this creation and was quicker with the touch-tone, cause it was already gone.  The next car I run across is in my town and was another teen-dream car: a 1984 Mustang SVO.  Asking price?  $2500  Dad likes the car because it's like what he planned but with EFI and an intercooler (not to mention the rad hood scoop and good suspension).  Engineering types like that kinda stuff...  We go look at it and take it for a test drive.  He drives, since I can't work a manual too well yet, and I kept looking behind us saying, "Where's the cop?  I heard the siren back there, but I don't see 'em!"  This was my first experience with a turbo.  We haggle, and $1800 later, I gots me a car!

At this point, I know NOTHING about fixing cars.  I've changed oil and helped Dad with a brake job.  That's IT.  So a week goes by while the state processes paperwork and the insurance is added and stuff, and on a Friday I came home and was able to take out MY car.  All mine, on my own, wherever I wanted to go!  So I decide to drive across town to show the car to my sister.  To get to the point...the car didn't make it.  I was driving in traffic and it threw a rod.  After all I know about engines and stuff now, it's STILL wierd.  Why then?  I wasn't beating on it at all!!  So Dad says we'll fix it, and all of a sudden I start to learn a LOT about cars. 

OK, 8 years later.   --->  I still have the SVO.  Finished high school with it, used it through college, moved to Florida with it and drove it 300 miles a week for a long time!  I put about 75k miles on that engine, and it's still kickin'!  Put it on a dyno a couple months ago and got 221 hp and 304 ft/lbs.  SWEET.  Now I have my own place, make my own money and can choose to NOT do chores when I want to play with the car!  What do I do?  I look for a Pinto!  I figure they must be falling out of the sky here in Florida, since there is no salt or snow.  I forgot about the Good Ole Boys down here who found that Pintos make excellent race cars...  After much searching, I find a '71 Runabout for $800.  It's 3 hours away...hmmm...