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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Radiator Question!

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74 PintoWagon

Sounds like your busy, lol, if there's a carb that's plain and simple that bolts on I'm all or it don't need all this other stuff..

Yep, according to the manual that wire goes to a disc type thing they call it "electric choke heater", then right in front of it right behind the water pasage is called "thermostatic housing", how this all works together I haven't a clue, but I'd just as soon have a plain ole everyday electric choke, like the one that's been working for 30-40 years or better, lol..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

I still need to get the numbers off my carb but I found a '75 carb that's visually identical but at $169 bucks it has to wait a few weeks. I have too many other things ahead of it for the money including a '71 I need to look at. I have 2 NOS carbs for a '73 that are identical but the wagons an auto trans & the carbs are stick. One is for my '73 4-speed car & the other is for my wagon engine when it finds it's way into my sons '80 5-speed car.

I didn't realize that wire went to the choke. It must heat a coil behind the water choke. When it's cold the choke closes & richens up the carb. After it heats up & the choke opens it leans back out. That's what I was referring to. Usually they're either electric OR mechanical.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

That's what I figure so I'm just gonna put a new core in. I was looking at the manual and it does look fairly easy to take out, wish I knew what kind of AC unit it is because it's nothing like what the manual shows, gotta be some aftermarket thing but I'll figure it out and it's getting trashed since it don't work anyways..

According to the manual it is a typical electric choke, I pulled the water passage off and all there is is a disc of some kind behind it and wouldn't come off, can't see how it would effect a lean/rich condition??, maybe someone else knows.. Those solenoids for dieseling are used instead of the idle screw, all they are is a plunger when power is turned on it pushes the throttle open, when power is turned off it retracts and the butterflies close up tight preventing dieseling, they been used forever and are a cool deal... Which carb you looking for?, I'm all for making things simpler and reliable..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

If it's bypassed it probably leaks. Once you get the AC unit out of the way it's fairly easy to remove. I took my passenger seat out which gave me a lot of room.

I'm not sure which direction the flow runs. It may go the other direction but the hot water tells the carb the engines warm enough to lean out. The electric plug is for something else I think, usually a solenoid to stop dieseling. My water choke works but mine does run on when hot so I figure that solenoid is bad on mine if that's what it's for. I'm keeping my eyes open for the correct NOS carb to straighten it out.

If I'm wrong on the 12 volt connection maybe someone can elaborate. It seems redundant to have an electric & water choke simultaneously.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

I had a vehicle once before a long time ago that was like that, had to pull the heater box to get to the hoses, someone had to be pissed at the world to come up with that, LOL, that's gonna be fun because it has an AC unit under the dash but it's an add on unit sticks up where the glove box is can't even see how it mounts. Yeah, nothing but the best goes on and a new core, I only plan on doing this once, lol, I'll bet the one in there is no good that's why the hoses were cut and bypassed..

So, I take it water flows through the intake to that water manifold on the intake then through the choke and on to the heater then to the water pump in a circle right?, I also have a wire going to the choke so it's electrical, so what is the reason for water passing through the choke then??, sorry about all the questions but I'm totally new to these things..
Art
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LOL, told you it was easy  :P  Yeah, the heater box has to come out to swap hoses. It's a pain but easy compared to an AC box. You may want to put a new core in while you're at it (I found mine on ebay for 38 bucks) & whatever you do put good hose in the box. I got Goodyear brand at a semi shop because it will last. You only need a few feet. Get quality clamps while you're there too. Pulling the box to replace a generic Chinese clamp would stink.

The weird hose routing is to get heat in winter. It bypasses the thermostat so you don't have to wait for the whole engine to get to temp. There's a port on the intake & water goes from there through the choke then heater.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Wow, that was easy took less than 20 minutes, I'm gonna pay for that down the road, lol, bolted right up cooler lines slid right on, just had to trim the radiator hose a bit but that's it, thought the fan spacer was to long but it's just right fan is about an inch from the radiator, I did put the fan on before the radiator though, when the T-stat housing and T-stat gets here I can put the top hose on and that project will be done!..


Now about the heater, I notice your top hose goes to the pump and the bottom goes to the carb then intake, so how does that work looks like a dead end for the water at the intake?, is there a passage in the intake to the head so it circulates?.. Mine was all jacked up it had a piece of tubing with hose going from the pump to the intake and the two stubs sticking out the firewall, looks like the heater core has to come out to replace the hoses, that should be fun...
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

That pic is deceiving. That fan is an inch from the radiator. I put thin cardboard against it while I tightened the fan so I wouldn't crush the fins or shred my knuckles.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Looks like the same fan as I have now, my spacer is longer though, may have to change that?, I'll find out real quick though heading out to install it now, I'll take a pic when I'm done..

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Here's a pic of it installed in my '76 wagon. That 15" fan made it run too cool in winter so I went to a 12".

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Shouldn't be a problem, I put them side by side and the holes that matched put it at the same height at the top, but we'll find out for sure this morning..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Srt

maybe a problem with the height? the replacement looks to be considerably taller than the original
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

74 PintoWagon

Radiator came today big difference from the old one, shouldn't be a problem now no matter how hot it gets, looks like it fits a variety of vehicles too from the string of bolt holes it has, we'll see how it all fits in the morning..

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

74 PintoWagon

I hear ya on being different I feel the same way, hopefully these cars will keep getting more popular and maybe someone will start making more parts for them..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

bbobcat75

I agree with the supply and demand but these little cars are making a big come back I feel, the listings on epay lately have been crazy a lot of them and at high prices!!
but if I owned a 60's Camaro or mustang I could build the whole car from a parts catalog don't even need the original car other then the title and vin tag!! I like to drive something total different, so that's why I own 2 bobcats a hatch back and a wagon!! 
o well take care!!!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

74 PintoWagon

Must be the ole "supply and demand thing" all about the money, if they don't see huge profits too bad you lose, it's a shame but that's the way it goes I guess.. ::) :(
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

bbobcat75

just suprised they dont make parts for these little cars anymore!! like gas tanks and radiators!! seem like a cheap part they can make some $$ coin on!! and would think the mustang 2 and pinto v6 radiator would be the same!!!   o well   take care!!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

74 PintoWagon

Yeah, if tanks are not good it's a waste, I've had quite a few done and last a long time, but I also had some that the radiator shop wouldn't do it for that reason they said tanks were going away and wouldn't last six months.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

bbobcat75

RECORE IS AN OPTION BUT STILL USING OLD TANKS THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM RIGHT AFTER RECORE PLUS I WOULD END UP PAYING FOR FOR A RECORE THEN U GUYS PAY FOR A BRAND NEW OUT OF THE BOX WITH WARRENTY!! GOT 2 QUOTES HERE IN TOWN FOR $300.00 AND $357.00. SO I FLUSHED IT AND SEEMS TO FLOW WELL SO TILL IT PLUGS UP OR CAUSE ME A PROBLEM WILL KEEP ON LOOKING IN EPAY FOR A NOS ONE!!

GOOD LUCK AND TAKE CARE!!

ERIC
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on June 13, 2013, 10:20:06 PM
Talk about fast shipping. I ordered it yesterday & it came today. It's 20" wide BTW & looks identical to Wittsends pic.



Early 74's had the narrow early radiator support from the '71 to '73 cars so that maybe why Autozone says it won't fit. Considering the side extension on your original radiator I'd guess you have the late '74 radiator support so it should bolt right in.

The 1st one went in my '76 wagon in 15 minutes so I know it fits. This one will either end up in my '73 sedan or I may have a '71 in my near future to use it in but those will need widened.
Ordered  mine yesterday and an hour later got an e-mail saying shipped, according to the tracking I should have it Tuesday, we'll see...

Guess that makes sense, radiator support is open all the way, it did look weird having an extension didn't make sense at first, lol..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: bbobcat75 on June 14, 2013, 06:46:33 AM
you guys are so lucky that thye make a radiator for your cars!! they dont make one for the v6 pinto/bobcats!!
Should be able to get yours re cored?, of course if the tanks are bad then that's another story..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

bbobcat75

you guys are so lucky that thye make a radiator for your cars!! they dont make one for the v6 pinto/bobcats!!

1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Pinto5.0

Talk about fast shipping. I ordered it yesterday & it came today. It's 20" wide BTW & looks identical to Wittsends pic.



Early 74's had the narrow early radiator support from the '71 to '73 cars so that maybe why Autozone says it won't fit. Considering the side extension on your original radiator I'd guess you have the late '74 radiator support so it should bolt right in.

The 1st one went in my '76 wagon in 15 minutes so I know it fits. This one will either end up in my '73 sedan or I may have a '71 in my near future to use it in but those will need widened.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Well, ordered the radiator, new hoses, T-sat housing and t-stat today, hope the radiator fits because according to the Zone it don't fit this car, oh well guess I'll find out soon enough, lol...
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

74 PintoWagon

Thanks for the pic, quite a bit of difference there..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Wittsend

Here is a picture of the two factory radiators side by side (17" - 20").

See post #7 for the modifications to the radiator cradle to accommodate the 20" radiator in a 71-73 Pinto. Doubling up the metal (sliding over each other) strengthens the area.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on June 13, 2013, 10:22:21 AM
I hope it cures your temp issues. Keep in mind that if the AZ temps sill heat it up then a good fan & shroud can easily pull another 15 degrees out of it.

Also your tranny lines may need some coaxing into place since the in/outlets are farther apart but this could be a good time to splice in a trans cooler after the stock one if you haven't already.
Thanks, it's got a pretty good size fan on it now(not stock)so I'll give it a try and see what happens, yeah, I already thought about a cooler and I have one now that would fit perfect.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

I hope it cures your temp issues. Keep in mind that if the AZ temps sill heat it up then a good fan & shroud can easily pull another 15 degrees out of it.

Also your tranny lines may need some coaxing into place since the in/outlets are farther apart but this could be a good time to splice in a trans cooler after the stock one if you haven't already.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Thanks much for the info guys things make sense now, this car had A/C but I guess they never put the right radiator in..

Pinto5.0 thanks for the link and the code, I'll be ordering it first thing in the morning, mine is a 2.3 so it should be good, sounds like it should do real well...

Fred, was nice meeting you today and enjoyed talking with ya, we'll have to hook up again sometime and if I can do anything for ya just let me know.. Thanks again guys... 8)
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.