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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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ToniJ1960

 I called OReilly and they actually have plugs made to do it theyre a little pricey but I guess something to keep in the toolbox.

Also I just read somewhere if you get bubbles in the reservoir after pumping the brakes it does mean its abad master cylinder. Maybe autozone parts really do zoop.

r4pinto

To be honest I don't know that you would want to do that though.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

You would actually want to get a couple of threaded tapered fittings instead of bolts. They are inverted flare fittings but I don't know if they make what you are looking for.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

ToniJ1960

 Does anyone know if I can get a couple of small bolts that would screw in the master cylinder to block off the lines for testing? If I block the back and it still drops, then I could put the other bolt in the front and if it still drops ill know its the master cylinder. If it does stop ill know its something in  the front or back system. What size they would be?

ToniJ1960

 Its the same as when it first made the brake light go on. If you press the pedal and hold it it doesnt drop a bit and its a good high pedal. If you put your foot on the pedal and just barely press it goes down just far enough to make the brake light come on. The lowest it goes I can still put my other foot under the pedal. I guess the first master cylinder was bad, he says if you get air bubbles in the reservoir like that after pumoing the pedal and taking the cap off, it means the seals are bad. The bubbles were in the reservoir for the rear brakse and it was the other reservoir that was low before. I havent seen a bit of drop in the level in the reservoir that had bubbles in it at all.

r4pinto

Quote from: tonij1960 on February 25, 2013, 11:38:25 PM
do you think hes right if theres bubbles in the reservoir it means the seals are leaking?

To be honest that's the first time I have ever heard that but if the pedal isn't holding it's generally an indication of a bad master cylinder
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

ToniJ1960

 I guess ill try a remanufactured one and see  what happens. OReilly this time forget Autozone.

ToniJ1960

 do you think hes right if theres bubbles in the reservoir it means the seals are leaking?

r4pinto

Remanufactured master cylinders can be hit or miss no matter where you get them from. I would check to see if they are different brands. Napa tends to sell items under their own "private name" but it could actually be the same part as you could get at oreily auto. Just my opinion anyways  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

ToniJ1960

 Well the brake lins and both hoses are in and not laeking the pedal is really good. But it still sinks if you press real slow on it. Someone looked at it and he pumped the pedal a bunch of times and checked and showqed me air bubbles in the rear reservoir. He said those bubbls man the master cylinder has an internal leak. I dont have my receipt anymore and AutoZone says its not under my phone number and wont try to find it any other way. Even whn I went there for the brake lines the first guy said they didnt have them and was so short with me, I asked another guy and he went in back and got them.

I guess I dont want another one from AutoZone anyway. Are the ones from OReilly any good or should I go get one at napa?

wbacon8780

It's poly armour coated, suppose to help stop corrosion.

ToniJ1960

 Well after cutting the line the socket worked like butter.Still have to get the other side off and bend the new ones to go in. I guess I should put those clips on the line that bolt to the under body? Are they real important theyre sure a pain.

The lines I got look black. Is it some kind of coating on the steel?

Pinto5.0

Yeah, those are designed to handle pressure. I used one on my dually to get to the rear since they don't make 9 foot long pre-made lines. It's been on there 7 years now.
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ToniJ1960

 Do you think unions and double flare fitting will be safe on a brake line?

Pinto5.0

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ToniJ1960

 Do you unbolt the block to get to it and lift it up?

Also do Pintos ues bubble flares or double flares.

Fred Morgan

As puttputt said, after line wrench fails use little pipe wrench I have done this many times.  Fred   :)
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Pinto5.0

Any time you work on an older car you break parts that weren't broken as you attempt to make repairs. It's normally the case that you destroy the hard line when you try to remove it unless you have a clean Arizona car. I broke a lot of things when I rebuilt my front suspension on my '80 but that's the fun of an old car.
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ToniJ1960

 Im most likelt to tell this guy enough is enough if hes going to keep breaking things and wants to charge me more to fix what he breaks too.

I was looking at some sockets called grip tite and OReillys has a flare wrench by American Grease Stick but its $42.

I think I am going to need something special to get these lines off at that h block. Does it come off if its bolted to the fender? He wants to pull up to try to wrench the lines Im afraid hes going to screw up more lines that way personally.

Also Im a little weary of buying used tools in case theyre even slightly worn but I guess good ones might not wear so much.

D.R.Ball

Not, remember these cars are over 30 years old and require some work, time and patience to fix. I had the same problem when I changed the Master Cylinder and the Vacuum booster. I had to fab up some lines....The lines are cheap and so is the tool to flare the lines. If you plan on keeping the car either get a pair of brake wrenches from Snap on or at least Craftsman...Use good tools for brake lines( they strip easy) etc mostly cheap stuff for ever thing else...Also get used to the idea of having two sets of tools one metric and one standard....The engine is metric and everything else is standard..... Pawn shop's can be your best friend in buying tools, cheap prices and good quality IE professional grade tools pawned by out of work auto mechanics...I had to get parts off a junk yard car and had to go to the pawn shop to find a wrench, I did got the part for about the same price as the tool...

ToniJ1960

 I appreciate that well I had someone comre  to change the brake hoses oday hoping that might be  all it needed. Otherwise the drivers side front line has to be replaced. Well he broke the brake line on the other side trying to unbolt the hose. Now he says hes coming back in the morning and hes going to change both  the lines. I dont know how much hes going to charge but to me he broke the other one he shoulnt charge too much.

What he wants to do is unbolt the h block to get to it better but Im afraid hes going to brake the rear one next. This car could be on the verge of being junked out the  way its going.

289Wagon

 Good Grief ! Please tell me what side you have the problem on. From what you have said I'm thinking the left. Either way I will make you a brake line & send it to you at no cost to you, rather then see you going around with some Mickey Mouse splice in a 'brake line' ! You're not talking a piece of windshield washer hose but a 'brake line.'
If you're at all interested PM me or Email me at  hawker39@verizon.net with your mailing address & which side you need.
Still living the dream...In a points & condenser world.

ToniJ1960

 I was using line wrenches but theyre those great neck or whatever they are. It fit pretty tight barely got on the nut.Maybe the edges are already worn. It looks like brass at least. When I had a steering hose changed before I saw them cut the hose and use a socket. As a last resort I was thinking of doing that of course I wouldt have any chance of splicing in after I cut it close enough.

I thought thats what I should have done with the mc. Leave it to me to do it the hard way.

289Wagon

 The flare nut on brake tubing is made of steel not brass. If you have brass,someone along the way has changed it.
3/16 tubing flare nuts require a 3/8 wrench & not a 7/16. Except sometimes the OEM will use a different nut to avoid mixing up lines.
If you are going to replace the piece of tubing, cut it off close to the nut & then use a ' good' 6 point socket or 6 point box wrench to remove it.
Yes, in some cases tubing can be flared while on the vehicle but it does require a good amount of space to do it. And some experince in using a flareing tool.
Compession type fittings are not legal for use on a  HYD brake system in PA & even if they were I would never use them myself.
Keep in mind it doesn't have to be an exact match to the OEM one with that tight bend etc. Just need to get fluid from 'A to B' without kinks or leaks.
If you buy a pre-made piece of line it may have one nut longer than the other. The longer nut is for use in a wheel cyl. or something where the seat is set deep. Maybe in your case the hose end.
Off subject, if you do a M/C again, leave the mounting nuts as loose as possible so you can move it around. Once you have the lines finger tight, tighten the M/C mounting nuts then the lines using a wrench.
Still living the dream...In a points & condenser world.

ToniJ1960

 Im just afraid of rounding that brass flare nut once I realized my 7/16 line wrench wasnt getting it right I gave up. I guess ill just change the hoses and see if its all I need. I might have to splice in a piece of line rather than messing up that b nut.

Can you flare a line while its still in the car? I read different things about using a compression splice. I know sears put one on my car once and its still holding. I was mad though they qouted me to replace that line and didnt. I yeled at the manager and said for $90 I was mad I couldve got that done for $25 down the street and he gave me back my money.I yelled at him in front of all the customers deliberately. They made Sears quit working on cars not long after that too.

cutelitlputtputt

 
Hello Toni!

I am not the most handy person with this, but I do know your lines are not metric.
Pictured below is a tool that I think everyone should have!  This was my dad's baby pipe wrench.  I use this for lots of things.  You might try this on the brake line.  I last used this on insalling my cooler water valve.  It is in a real bad, tight place where you can't use an "adult" size wrench!!!!


Anything to keep her runnin'!

ToniJ1960

 I cannot get the brake line looe at the h block. I tried with a 7/16 line wrench and its only going to strip it so I stopped right away.

Is it metric on a 1978?

ToniJ1960

 if it works ill look at it while Im there instead of the other one then. I just worry about it crimping.

r4pinto

Quote from: tonij1960 on February 18, 2013, 04:18:06 PM
Have you ever used one like it?

I have before I got the other one for Christmas. It took a little more time to bend the parts but did the job when I needed to use it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pinto5.0

Any bender will do the job but a socket clamped in a vise makes a great mandrel as well. It's easy to bend 3/16" with your fingers
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