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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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ToniJ1960

 Have you ever used one like it?

r4pinto

There is also one for about $4 at Oreily. Here's the part number Part # W704C
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r4pinto

That's the right one. I got me one of them for Christmas a few years ago & it does a great job at bending the lines
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ToniJ1960

 The only place close enough to me to get to easily right now is OReillys. Im not real happy with them they never have in stock what you need and they wil try to sell you something they know you cant use (I needed cobalt bilts and they tried to get me to buy `high speed` steel bits when they probably knew darn well they wouldnt work for what I told them I needed. I have to be careful with them.

So, in that regard, can anyone tell me  what tubing bender they have might be worthwhile and any I should definitely avoid? They are recommending this performance tool one that looks like pliers with a roller on the end.

r4pinto

The parts stores will sell straight pieces of brake line with both ends on it. all you would need to know is the length of the brake line and they will sell you a piece. The correct size you would need is 3/16" & when you take it off take a measuring tape & follow all the curves & contours of the line. That will tell you how long of a line you will need. Another trick to doing this is to take some yarn or string & do the same thing, then cut it off at the end & measure that instead.

As for bending it yes you will have to bend it yourself but the parts stores also sell cheap tubing benders & they might even have a loaner tool for the job but I'm not too sure of that. If you have a harbor freight tools store around you they have them really cheap & they do the job.
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ToniJ1960

 With the right fittings on both ends? And is there any place that will bend it or do I have to get a tubing bender of some type?

Pinto5.0

The clip can stay on. The brake line is a  standard line you can get at any parts store.
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ToniJ1960

 No need to remove the horseshoe clip? Can I get a line somewhere with the male fitting on it?

Pinto5.0

The rubber line is the female end & the hard line threads into it. The horseshoe clip keeps the line in place on the L bracket
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ToniJ1960

 So the hose just unbolts a the top? My chiltons has no images for it but says something about a horseshoe clip.

I really need to know how to check the fitting on th end of the steel line. The drop I found is running down the line and it seems like its coming from the nut where the line goes through it.

Pinto5.0

I don't know if this pic helps. My lines are street rod braided due to drop spindles but the attach at the same point.

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ToniJ1960

 Yes the front brake hose that goes to the caliper. I was hoping someone had some pictures or images of hw it disconnects at the opposite end from the caliper. Where it goes to the steel line. And maybe a picture or something I can use to tell if that fitting on the steel line might be damaged. Im not sure if its leaking due to the hose or not.

Pinto5.0

Are you talking about the front brake hose going to the caliper? If that's leaking change both sides. Autozone & others can get them for about 10 bucks each or get em on Ebay.
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ToniJ1960

 Does anyone have some pictures/drawings of how the hose goes on and off? Im going to try changing the hose and if it still leaks then I guess it needs a new line that goes to it. Can you still get those fittings? Anyone know what it is exactly?

ToniJ1960

 Noones had or seen this before? Any suggestions? Its been over 12 years that I changed one of these hoses and not knowing what ill run into with that bottom part that goes to the hose Im not rushing into it right now.

Has anyone got some pictures or drawings of the line and nut piece that goes to the bracket where the hose goes to?

ToniJ1960

 I found a leak it looks like its leaking from. Theres a steel line the comes down from under the hood loops back up and bolts to a bracket. The hose screws to the top of the bracket part. Well its leaking a tiny tiny drop under the nut at the bottom and dripping down the steel line. Cant find any on top of the nut that attaches the line or at the bottom of the hose area.

Could it stil be a bad hose? A loose nut I might try to tighten it but afraid to if its already tight and I dont have to.

A split in the flare letting it leak from area between the nut and line? Pinhole?

ToniJ1960

 We did bench bleed the master cylinder.

And it was the large chamber that was low before so maybe I should check the front brakes. Whats really weird is if I press the pedal firmly its fine it doesnt drop no matter how long I hold it. Only oif I press it lightly will it drop far and even though it doesnt drop so far that I cant get my other foot under the pedal still. It does make the light come on though. I read somewhere front hoses can bulge maybe if I press firmly t hey already bulged and if I press slowly they let the pedal drop?


Getting those lines to thread into the master cylinder was no fun either is there any trick for it? I used good line wrenches and we did finally get it to thread in right. I just dont want to think about doing it again.

289Wagon

 No matter what make of vehicle if there are two different sized chambers the smaller is for the axle with wheel cylinders. In the case of a Pinto that would be the rear wheels. No I've never seen a vehicle with drum front & rear disk. But I've come to learn on here to be very careful of what I say or risk being bashed by someone that knows much more than me.
Since you have replaced the m/c & still have the same issue I 'think' you should really look for an external leak & remove the brake drums to see if you have any signs of a leaking wheel cyl.
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72pair

Can sometimes take a lot of bleeding to get the air out of the lines. Did you bench bleed the new master?
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ToniJ1960

 I guess thats what hey pinched before when I had my master cylinder replaced at Western Auto.It really made my car run rough.

Well we changed the master cylinder today, the pedal is still pretty good, I guess I should bleed it anyway.

But, the pedal still drops with light steady pressure and it maks the light go on. So maybe its a pin hole somewhere?

Doesnt anyone know if the front chamber is for the back brakes? I thought thats the way it was but its been so long since I thought about it.

289Wagon

 I've never seen an o'ring on the rear of a Ford m/c. The only rubber piece I've seen between the m/c & booster is the vac. seal in the above pics.
If the m/c is leaking fluid externaly it would (should) be coming out of the grove in the1st pic. If you can't see any sign of fluid leaking anywhere in the brake system, then the cups on the m/c piston are by passing internaly. Which is quite common.
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289Wagon

Still living the dream...In a points & condenser world.

289Wagon

vacuum seal
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ToniJ1960

Im going to watch for one anyway when I take it off I guess.I remember one time having the master cylinder replaced and my car came back running really rough. They swore it couldnt have been anything they did.I found out from someone else they had pinched or left out the o ring that seals it. I think theres one in there but I guess ill see.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: tonij1960 on February 11, 2013, 08:03:30 PM
I dont think I would see much there isnt there an o ring to seal off the booster from the master cylinder?

I don't think so but it gets pretty nasty in there with rust & crud.
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ToniJ1960

 I dont think I would see much there isnt there an o ring to seal off the booster from the master cylinder?

Pinto5.0

Check both rear wheel cylinders for leaks 1st but usually pedal creep combined with fluid loss is the O-rings on the master cylinder plunger letting fluid past.

You may see fluid leaking where the MC bolts to the booster.
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ToniJ1960

 I should have mentioned its power brakes. Do you mean check the inside of the hose to see if its zooping in brake fluid?

Is the front reservoir for the back brakes? Would it be low in that one more than the larger reservoir would be if the mc was leaking? I guess it would a smaller reservoir would drop faster. I have a new mc I kept so I guess I can put it on.

D.R.Ball

Do you have power brakes ? Sounds like the system is leaking. Check the hose going from the intake manifold to the vacuum brake booster.

Pinto5.0

Try bleeding all 4 & see if it stops the problem but my guess is you either have a leaking master cylinder, rear wheel cylinder or possibly a pinhole in a brake line.
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