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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

AK MILLER 2.0

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baflinn

Quote from: johnbigman2011 on December 08, 2012, 01:44:34 AM
Where would I find one of those spacers?? I want to give the drawthru a chance..

I'm not looking for tire smoke, boost... Just the look.

It is a warm day car for sure..


Hi I came across your thread and thought I'd share some info.


I was working on replicating the A.K. Miller turbo setup I had on my '73 runabout back in the mid '70s - I am no longer doing this project so my parts are for sale. Below is a link to my flickr photoset 2.0 turbo parts. In there you will see I have a T4/T3 angle adaptor. It does not have a wastegate flange but I'm sure you could find someone to fab it up for you.


Back in the '70s we didn't have ready access to inter-coolers or wastegates like now so we used exhaust back pressure or inline bullet style spring actuated limiters to limit boost and water injection directly into the carb to cool the intake charge. Plus with a draw through application your carb size will help restrict boost as well as the turbo can only draw so much air through as the carb will allow.


I did have the block O-ringed, was running a Crane turbo grind cam with double spring values and teflon seals. For oil drainage we just popped a hole in the TOP (above the line where at rest the oil reaches) of the oil pan on the same side as the turbo and used a 1/2 inch angled brass plumbing fitting. Tapped into the oil sending outlet with an adapter to keep the oem idiot light, run a manual oil pressure gauge line and a line to an external oil filter on the firewall then into the turbo oil inlet. The extra filter help cool the oil a little before going into the turbo and added an extra layer of safety for the turbo shaft. Speaking of which always let your turbo cool down before turning off the engine otherwise you will cook the oil and shorten the life of the turbo.

Will consider reasonable offers on parts. PM is the best way to contact.


- BruceF (I've been a long time member of the forum and have sold parts on here before with very positive responses).


flickr set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruceflinn/sets/72157626822363783/with/5826469484/


Also check out CBPerformance.com (vintage VW performance parts) for turbos that are Carbon sealed and ready to go: http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=7489



Liquidating all Pinto related parts.

Current list can be found here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruceflinn/8007178278/in/photostream

Srt

Quote from: johnbigman2011 on January 31, 2013, 07:06:16 PM
Well I just added another piece to the AK set up. What do you guys think?

use a 2bbl carb
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

johnbigman2011

Well I just added another piece to the AK set up. What do you guys think?
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Srt

Spearco is 'still' in business but to what extent they deal in turbo systems I couldn't tell you.  I believe that the company is located in Calabasas, Ca.

George Spears is listed as the presiding officer of the company.

A lot of the business (intercoolers I believe) was sold to Turbonetics in Moorpark, Ca.  This was a long time ago.  it's possible, but not probable that they may have some insight on what happened to the old Pinto systems or perhaps you may be successful in contacting Mr Spears personally.
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Bipper

Other companies that sold turbo kits in the US for the 2.0 Pinto were Accel, Car Corporation and Spearco. 
71 Sedan, stock
72 Pangra
73 Runabout, 2L turbo propane

sdel5439

Do you know of any other type of turbo kits that are compatible with the 2.0??? I have heard talk of a few companies that make them but again, ive had a pretty hard time locating or finding any info on them.

johnbigman2011

Quote from: sdel5439 on January 12, 2013, 08:51:07 PM
Hello, can anyone please help shed some light on where I can go to find a AK Miller turbo kit for a 2.0 pinto engine??? Any information would help out..... Thank you

They are out there but hard to come by for sure.. I have been a Pinto owner for over 2 years now and the setup intrigued me from the first time I seen one ( In pictures) They were used on the Pangra setups that a few of our members here own and have even worked with some of the original Pangras ever built.

1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

sdel5439

Hello, can anyone please help shed some light on where I can go to find a AK Miller turbo kit for a 2.0 pinto engine??? Any information would help out..... Thank you

johnbigman2011

Just spoke with the wife... The AK set up made it to the house ;D
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

johnbigman2011

Room is not an issue with my car for sure... I can always lean my head over to see around the carb/turbo if needed ;D
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Srt

I'll 2nd Brads observations. 

Especially with the fuel pooling until the thing is up to operating temp. 

If you have the room then raising the turbo/carb can't hurt but to have it all hidden under the hood would be a plus.  Does the car allow you the room to do this?

I used a modified Holley/Weber at first but after many melted pistons made the change to a Ford 2bbl from a Ford truck (360 C.I. truck motor) using the carb-to-turbo manifold that Ak Millers had for their Ford Truck kits.

It solved a ton of fuel distribution problems under high boost situations but did not change the any of the fuel pooling under the carb.  I learned to live with it!

In my experience with this setup, once operating temp is up to normal your driving experience will be real nice.

(Brad, How are you?)

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

johnbigman2011

Where would I find one of those spacers?? I want to give the drawthru a chance..

I'm not looking for tire smoke, boost... Just the look.

It is a warm day car for sure..
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

racer99

I was using a 2 inch tall spacer to raise the turbo,it has a wastegate flange built into it.
I was doing a drawthru but I believe I am changing it to a BT.

johnbigman2011

Question.. Could a extension to the manifold be made to raise the turbo and carb up to possibly limit the chance of fuel pooling and also hold a waste gate??
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Scott Hamilton

That's cool! There's a Pinto hiding in that bucket!
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

johnbigman2011

Thanks for the info for sure... I would greatly appreciate some detailed pictures of your set up of the waste gate configuration that you mentioned.

Room is not an option as you mentioned.. I think it would look great having the carb and turbo away from the engine. WOW factor 8)

I have been searching and looking around the net for as many setups as possible..... Turbopinto72 yours setup is tops for sure.

Here is a picture of the 2.3 turbo installed in a T bucket. I like the look for sure.. I think the AK setup will be a more vintage and a cleaner look.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

turbopinto72

John, my thoughts on your set up. First, that Turbo is a full T4 turbo that actually works very nicely on a 2.0 motor. If you replace it with something else, like a T3-T4 hybrid you will need to make or get an adapter to the exhaust manifold as the T4 flange and the T3 flange are different. Just something to think about when shopping turbos. If it were me, I might want to stick with a good T4 replacement.
That said, your system does not have a waste gate. I have seen people ( that have enough room ) make an adapter from the exhaust manifold ( T4 ) to a T3 turbo that incorporates a waste gate flange. I will try to describe it: At the Exhaust manifold you will have a T4 flange that bolts to the manifold. next going outboard of that you will have a piece of square ( or rectangle ) pipe that is just long enough to have a flange welded in the bottom to except a waste gate. Then ( moving outboard again) you will finally have a flange that will except the T3 turbo. This doesent work on a Pinto because it moves the turbo to far out and hits the fender well, but on a Tbucket you might have enough room. Hope that all makes sense.
Carburetors : That system was originally made for the holly 5200 carb but I used a Holly 500 CFM 2 barrel on one of my cars and it worked. I had to build an adapter plate for it but that was not hard. One of the bigger issues with this setup is that the crossover pipe tends to condensate the fuel mixture. Plus the carb is lower than the crossover so fuel mixture has to flow up/around etc. This leads to harder starts etc. The VWs have a good thing going as they have the carb as the highest piece of the componuts and everything flows down hill.

More later
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

racer99

Its not a big deal to get the correct type seal
for a draw thru.The VW guys will be the best bet as they
love the DT setups.

John,you should of said something about wanting to
turbo the 2.0.I had a bunch of 2.0 stuff and got rid of
it.

Pinto5.0

That was a great price on that. I don't know if you got it for the opening bid but if you did it's a bargain.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

oldkayaker

Just a FYI for your turbo search and not sure how important this is.  "Back in the day" turbos had two different styles of compressor shaft oil seals - carbon or centrifugal.  The carbon seal was used when the seal saw vacuum like a draw through carb.  The centrifugal was used when the seal saw no vacuum with the throttle down stream of the turbo - most applications nowadays.  Hopefully somebody with experience with this detail will chime in.
http://www.turboneticsinc.com/search/node/carbon%20seal

That kit looks great and in good shape.
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

johnbigman2011

That's correct.. Turbo was to big for my motor anyways.

Now ,I'm looking for a new turbo and a good 2bbl carburator.

And all the hoses and drains and such.

Keeps me busy while I'm in the jungle for sure.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Pinto5.0

Is that the one off Ebay with the broken shaft?
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

johnbigman2011

You know it C..

Now I just need to get home, to see how to start installing it..
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

cabecho

I knew you weren't going to wait to tell every body.
It looks awesome.
Can't wait to see it on that grate looking t-bucket
Aerodynamics is for those who can't build engines

If ford pintos are not fast then why chevy's have to use there parts to make them fast?

johnbigman2011

From all the reading and looking..... I found just what I needed to finish off my Pinto Powered T bucket.

Check this pile of parts out :o
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper