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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

71 spindle to 74 spindle

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Wittsend

Thanks Jerry. I never knew the tie rod ends and spindles were different. Sadly not different enough (for 74 up brakes). I get that the 74 up Pinto/Mustang II was in development but it seems odd that the '73 was so different from the 71-72 cars.

Oh well, it all works and I was wise enough to get a very decent spare set of rotors from Pick Your Part (I think the set was about $8 out the door) so given I drive the Pinto about 200-300 miles a year, I think I'm set for life.

oldkayaker

Your 73 steering rack is unique to that year.  The 73 tie rods are 9/16" diameter while the 71-72 used 1/2" tie rods.  Due to the 73 larger tie rods, it uses the same tie rod end as the 74-80 which is also 9/16" 18tpi (same part number for manual steering).  To accept the larger tie rod end, the 73 spindle steering arm taper hole is larger like the 74-80.  So the 73 spindle is unique to that year also.  The 74 A-arms will not physically fit the 73 with out extensive modification.  I have read some people have bolted in the later spindle to use the later rotor and caliper, but it changes the geometry and raises the front about an inch.
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

Wittsend


Quote from: oldkayaker on January 26, 2019, 06:50:04 AM
Thanks for the follow up.  Just wondering, could shortening the adapter bushing from the large end, allow it to slide further down on to the TRE taper and remove the slop?  Also make sure the adaptor bushing does not protrude from the spindle steering arm top to avoid interference with the nut.


Another person was trying the adapter bushing but did not give final results:
http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?topic=21602.msg132106#msg132106
Note his 1973 spindle steering arm came with the same larger taper size as the 74-80 Pinto spindles.




I just read the noted other attempt as mentioned in the link. He says, "This will allow the use of 73 spindles (this is what I am using on my 71) or 74 and up spindles." So, like the one year only steering rack used in '73 was this some oddball spindle as well???  My Pinto is a '73 and does that aspect increase or decrease the use of the '74 and up pieces?


Specifically what works with what regarding '74 parts fitting on a '73?


1.  A-arms?


2. Spindles?


3. Rotors?


4. Calipers?

oldkayaker

Thanks for the follow up.  Just wondering, could shortening the adapter bushing from the large end, allow it to slide further down on to the TRE taper and remove the slop?  Also make sure the adaptor bushing does not protrude from the spindle steering arm top to avoid interference with the nut.

Another person was trying the adapter bushing but did not give final results:
http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?topic=21602.msg132106#msg132106
Note his 1973 spindle steering arm came with the same larger taper size as the 74-80 Pinto spindles.
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

the shaolin

Quote from: oldkayaker on August 03, 2012, 12:42:13 PM
Been doing some internet searching.  If you are still interested in using a 71-72 tie rod end with a 74-80 spindle, found an adapter bushing that might work, see link for TRB-65GR.  The vendor would not share the dimensions of his adapter bushing, but checking Ford component measurements, it looks like it should work.  If taking a chance on this, recommend first obtaining one to see if it fits properly before buying a second.  Have fun.
http://www.mustangsteve.com/tierodbushings.html

Just thought I'd close the loop here.  I talked to the vendor and took some measurements and it sounded like the bushings were going to be close. 

He sent me a set and they DO NOT FIT the early pinto TRE's.  There's .005-.010" slop between the bushing and tie rod. 

I'm thinking I'm going to cut some inner tie rod ends up, sleeve and connect them to get the late thread on the early rack. 
-N

oldkayaker

Been doing some internet searching.  If you are still interested in using a 71-72 tie rod end with a 74-80 spindle, found an adapter bushing that might work, see link for TRB-65GR.  The vendor would not share the dimensions of his adapter bushing, but checking Ford component measurements, it looks like it should work.  If taking a chance on this, recommend first obtaining one to see if it fits properly before buying a second.  Have fun.
http://www.mustangsteve.com/tierodbushings.html
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

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racer99

Quote from: oldkayaker on July 28, 2012, 06:54:22 AM
bbobcat75, Thanks for those rotor details.  Flamming River who sells 71-72 racks said most people use a straight bolt to attach a heim joint to the spindle steering arm on race cars.  The 71-72 spindle tapered steering hole looks like it could be drilled out to a straight 1/2" hole.  I believe the durability of a quality heim joint on a daily driver would be okay, but have no experience.


Heims on a dd isnt a good idea.Even with the dust seals that are available you want to
inspect and clean them on a regular basis. Ask me how I know.

bbobcat75

no problem oldkayaker.

i have been trying to figure out why the rotors i got at he parts stores would not fit my 78, and the only thing i can figure out is that someone has put 71-73 spindals on my 78, got a set of rotors from pintoman for a 72 he had and they fit perfectly, the 74-80 are tooo tall, when you put the center nut on the spindal the rotor is way!!! to loose, so my conclusion is that they are way diiferent!! hope this helps anyone out there!!!
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oldkayaker

bbobcat75, Thanks for those rotor details.  I had thought the hub size was the only difference.

Srt, the 71-72 tie rod is 1/2" by 20 while the 79 I have measures about 9/16"? by 18.  I thought these were supposed to be metric cars?   The lengths are about the same.  Flamming River who sells 71-72 racks said most people use a straight bolt to attach a heim joint to the spindle steering arm on race cars.  The 71-72 spindle tapered steering hole looks like it could be drilled out to a straight 1/2" hole.  I believe the durability of a quality heim joint on a daily driver would be okay, but have no experience.
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

Srt

Quote from: oldkayaker on July 24, 2012, 11:19:47 AM
".  The 74+ spindle tapered tie rod hole is larger than the 71-72 tie rod end.  So reaming it out will not fix this mismatch."

just a thought (regardless of the rotor mismatch) could it be that the 74 + tie rod ends can be used with the 71-72 rack? are the thread specs as well as length, the same?

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bbobcat75

so my guess is the spindals have to be different, they use different rotors here are the specs.
the first one is a 71-73 and the second is the 74-80!
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bbobcat75

im trying to figure out what the deal is.

so 71-80 spindals are the same, meaning that the rotors off a 71 will fit and 80 and 76 rotors will fit a 72.

correct??

i know that when i got the rotors from the parts store they where way!!! taller
meaning when i set them on the work bench and compared they where at least 1/4 taller.

thanks
eric

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rbohm

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on July 25, 2012, 10:12:26 AM

Or you got the wrong replacement rotors. ''74-up rotors will bolt on early spindles. I wonder if you had Falcon or early Mustang rotors by mistake....

early falcons and mustangs did not have disc brakes on six cylinder models, and the wheel bolt patterns are different as well by 1/4"
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bbobcat75

i wondered the same thing but federated has a different part number for those rotors then pintos but could have been mis boxed!!!

i put 71-73 rotors on so i could use my early mags!!!
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Pinto5.0

Quote from: bbobcat75 on July 25, 2012, 08:34:45 AM
these brakes have me soooo confused!!
have a 75 bobcat and the front brakes are the same as the 74-80, no problems there!!

now my 78 wagon is a different story, has 74-80 calipers but has the 71-73 rotors,  was replacing the rotors and seals and pads to find out the 74-80 rotors are taller then the 71-73.   when i put the 74-80 rotors on the center spindal nut would be tight and the rotor was still way tooo loose, now the bearings for 71-80 all the same and same with the rear seal!!!  so im guessing some one put 71-73 spindals on my 78 but can not figure out why, doesnt make much sense to me!!!

good luck with the brakes on these cars, what a pain!!!

Or you got the wrong replacement rotors. ''74-up rotors will bolt on early spindles. I wonder if you had Falcon or early Mustang rotors by mistake....
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bbobcat75

these brakes have me soooo confused!!
have a 75 bobcat and the front brakes are the same as the 74-80, no problems there!!

now my 78 wagon is a different story, has 74-80 calipers but has the 71-73 rotors,  was replacing the rotors and seals and pads to find out the 74-80 rotors are taller then the 71-73.   when i put the 74-80 rotors on the center spindal nut would be tight and the rotor was still way tooo loose, now the bearings for 71-80 all the same and same with the rear seal!!!  so im guessing some one put 71-73 spindals on my 78 but can not figure out why, doesnt make much sense to me!!!

good luck with the brakes on these cars, what a pain!!!
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PintoMan1

yes i am using 77 bobcat calipers.
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oldkayaker

Just a clarification on "the tie rod end diameter is different and would need to be reamed out ".  The 74+ spindle tapered tie rod hole is larger than the 71-72 tie rod end.  So reaming it out will not fix this mismatch.  Beyond custom fabrication, I have not seen an easy solution for this yet.

Based on the great thread below, the 71-73 calipers do not bolt up properly to the 74+ spindles.  Using the later calipers sounds like the easiest solution here.
http://www.fordpinto.com/pinto-faq/front-disc-brakes-(4-5-lug)/msg8025/#msg8025
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

Pinto5.0

Just use ALL '74-up parts on the '74-up spindles.....
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Jerry merrill

Thanks for the info. Are you using the 74 and up calipers?

PintoMan1

yes, but why would you have to change the rotors? i didn't. but after awhile i went with the 5-lug rotors, so yes i changed rotors. you can still use the 4-lug rotors you have with no problems.
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Jerry merrill

I am still a little confused about this conversion. Can I put 74 and up spindles on a 71. I know that the tie rod end diameter is different and would need to be reamed out and the brake rotors would need to be changed, but would this work?