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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Reeves1

Note on the spark plug wires.....Normal way over the valve covers would put them in the way for removing the covers to adjust the rockers (solid roller).
I know, can just pull them off the plugs. Which would be "fun" while at the track while hot, to check for lash & broken springs due to a 1/10th or so slower run.
Covers will often be off......this is not a low maintenance engine !

74 PintoWagon

That is badasssss...
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

What is left for engines bay:
Headers.
I have to pick up a 90 & 45 bends for mods to the lower spigot on the rad, then the hose. After that is done, the electric fan, which will go behind the rad. I can only get a 14" fan behind there. I may wait on that till I put the fenders / front back on to see if a bigger fan can be used in front of the rad.






74 PintoWagon

Manifold looks great..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

Fuel system tested to 6 lbs & no leaks !

Water manifold done....




Reeves1

Fuel system done ! Will pick a couple gallons of gas up today/tomorrow for the pressure test.
Also have the water manifold welded by a pro. Decided to just clear coat it. If I was going to powder coat I'd weld it myself with "normal" wire.....


79prostreet

Just remember Reeves1, If it was easy there would be one on every street corner! Looks great!
79prostreet

Reeves1

Got the water manifold nearly done. I , for the first time, tried stainless welding : I'm no good !
I tacked it together so a "real" welder can weld it together.
long week end here, so will be done next week.










Reeves1

I lied......not done by Friday !
Got one side of the tank painted.......then they started planting the field next to me.....of course, the wind is blowing towards my place. Big time dust - no outside painting.

However, I will be working again on the water manifold, which is coming along well. I'll have it done today, tacked (stainless) together & ready for complete welding.
Trying to decide on a clear coat, powder coated like my coil springs (blue) of a blue anodizing......

I've never welded with stainless (wire) before. Picked up a small spool & since I have spare tubing I'll "test" my skills today.

dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on May 14, 2015, 07:38:15 AM
Will likely be months before lighting the fuse.
Replacing the cam & rockers this winter as well......maybe even before I flash it up.

Gotta be honest, I'm dying to see it run LOL

You're doing it right though, so I don't blame you waiting...
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Will likely be months before lighting the fuse.
Replacing the cam & rockers this winter as well......maybe even before I flash it up.

dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on May 13, 2015, 12:31:43 PM
No Headers except custom will work for my car.

Tank turned out easy to remove.
Put the floor jack under the tank with some light pressure up. Went along the front with a putty knife to cut the silicone.
Thought : wonder if brake clean would break the silicone bond ?
Yup !
Tank popped out. It's in getting some fittings welded on - pick it up tomorrow.
By Friday the complete fuel system will be done !

Are you firing it up? If you are, post a video :) That would be awesome!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

No Headers except custom will work for my car.

Tank turned out easy to remove.
Put the floor jack under the tank with some light pressure up. Went along the front with a putty knife to cut the silicone.
Thought : wonder if brake clean would break the silicone bond ?
Yup !
Tank popped out. It's in getting some fittings welded on - pick it up tomorrow.
By Friday the complete fuel system will be done !

dianne

Mustang II headers don't work for the application Reeves? There are blackjacks out there once in awhile you can put on. Those rock!

Looks like you're getting much closer though!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Nothing is easy.....

You can see the plate that the original builder brazed onto the bottom of the tank for the fuel line.
I buffed a small area to weld on a new 8AN bung......and water (had tank full) started pouring out of the brazed edge.

Empty & dry tank.

It was mounted from inside the trunk, on the sub frame......with a really good silicone.

Not sure how I'm going to get it out. I can only get at the front edge with tools. Sides & back are too close to the tubs.

Has to come out though.....

(that fuel pump and lines are gone - all new stainless lines, fuel pump, pre-filter has been installed.


Reeves1

Bud - thinking yours will be 1st.
I have much to get done yet. Gas tank has to come out for two bungs to be welded on. Then the last gas lines built.
The Wilwood brake/hub kit is not here yet. When I get it, I also have to get new tires/rims.
Needs the windshield replaced.
Needs front alignment.
Needs new drive shaft made.
Needs new front shocks.

As early as today I will start work on a mock up water manifold. I have mild steel the same size for this.
Will use stainless for the "real" one & have it tig welded then ceramic coated.

Gas lines to the tank will be done today.

79prostreet

Blessed are the flexable for they shall not be bent out of shape. This may give me a chance to get mine finished before yours.   Bud
79prostreet

Reeves1

I didn't post a picture in my last post.
No more till the engine bay is done.....except Headers. Not sure when they will be done.

Mopac sent some wrong fittings (8AN instead of 6AN).
Plus the wife "volunteered" me to go to haul my small backhoe to her friends place today to dig out a place for a hot tub. No car work today......  :'(

dianne

The photo isn't showing up? I gotta see LOL
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Quote from: dianne on March 29, 2015, 02:45:40 PM
I looked on Photobucket! WOW!

A bunch of pictures in that account have nothing to do with this car. Just dumped pictures into it for one reason or another.

Flaring tool acting up. Last two flares I had to use a wrench to turn in farther to get the flare done properly.
Maybe, doesn't like the hard 1/2" stainless metal ?
It has a center part with a pin, that releases when the flare is supposed to be done. No way to adjust.
The 1/2" feed line is done back to the new pump, except for one connection. Missing one 8AN nut.....getting more stuff today.

Starting the 3/8" stainless return line today.

I have to remove the tank & weld on two bungs to attach the lines.
Yes, it will be steamed out first !

Couldn't find an 1 1/2" stainless mandrel bend here. Got tired of looking local - ordered one from Summit. When it gets here I'll start on the water manifold.

dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on May 03, 2015, 10:42:41 PM
Didn't ask. Maybe Outlaw 8.50 ? Maybe faster ? Rigged up for two chutes.

Using AN fittings for the first time. Different flare angles than a normal flare kit, which is 45 degrees.
AN is 37 degrees. So new flaring tool (much better / stronger) is over $200.00 - figures !

Flange tools are always good to have :) Would have loved seeing his car!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Didn't ask. Maybe Outlaw 8.50 ? Maybe faster ? Rigged up for two chutes.

Using AN fittings for the first time. Different flare angles than a normal flare kit, which is 45 degrees.
AN is 37 degrees. So new flaring tool (much better / stronger) is over $200.00 - figures !

dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on May 02, 2015, 07:43:40 PM
Good trip !

Sort of....couldn't find a 90 degree mandrell bend. Need to make some phone calls.
Forgot a couple small 8AN fittings at Mopac.

But where I picked up my trans oil , the guy has a 71 Mustang (shell) over a full tube frame with a 500+ ci Ford Hemi - over 3000 HP ! Cool car !

A few rain squalls on the way home & shortly after getting home got rain, snow ball type snow , snow & thunder etc.

The small things to tidy up a car takes time. Lots of time !

Sounds like you had a great trip anyway! Seeing that Mustang must have been cool :) Do you know what he ran with it?
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Good trip !

Sort of....couldn't find a 90 degree mandrell bend. Need to make some phone calls.
Forgot a couple small 8AN fittings at Mopac.

But where I picked up my trans oil , the guy has a 71 Mustang (shell) over a full tube frame with a 500+ ci Ford Hemi - over 3000 HP ! Cool car !

A few rain squalls on the way home & shortly after getting home got rain, snow ball type snow , snow & thunder etc.

The small things to tidy up a car takes time. Lots of time !

dga57

Quote from: Reeves1 on May 02, 2015, 07:26:34 AM
Road trip today....going to take most of the day. Places here in Canada are far apart  ;D ;D



I  love a good road trip!  Have a great time and be safe, Derrick!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on April 24, 2015, 04:32:35 AM
Thinking of getting the 302w exposed part of the intake powder coated in blue like my springs ?

Do it! It's pretty awesome!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Road trip today....going to take most of the day. Places here in Canada are far apart  ;D ;D

My case of trans oil : http://www.penngrade1.com/Products/Gear-Lubricants/GL4-SAE-80W90.aspx came in. Rather than have a shipping co. pick it up, I am.

Then off to Mopac to pick a few more fuel line parts. Need a few more fittings & stainless hose.

Looked all over for someone to make my new water neck for me , in stainless or aluminum. Found two places that would do so.....both said it will be very expensive.
So, I decided to build it myself out of steel exhaust pipe. Had on piece mandrell bent for me. I'll get it ceramic coated (inside and out) when done so it looks good.
Pick the pipe up today.

Have two/three other stops to make for other small parts.

Likely a full day driving & about $500.00 in parts......that I'll be able to carry in one plastic bag  :o

Reeves1

Thinking of getting the 302w exposed part of the intake powder coated in blue like my springs ?




Reeves1

Quotehope you got it under lock and key

Very much so ! Steel bars on windows, that are blacked out. Plus a number of other security "specials".
Plus a backhoe.....if you get my meaning......

City trip yesterday.
Soda blast a 302w intake and the B2 valve covers. Covers came out nice - BOSS 302 stickers on & back on the engine.
Intake was really dirty. Needs to be walnut blasted to get it as nice as I want it.
While that was being done (soda blasting) I drove over to Mopac. Bought fuel line stuff ($ !) - start working on that next. I have 1/2" stainless tubing for the main line (8 AN fittings). I'll have to pick up a length of 3/8" stainless for the return line (6 AN).

When I headed out for the city I stopped at a rad shop in the town I live near. Explained what changes I need to the bottom hose connection ( a 90 & 45 degree bends) and the new water neck for the mini plenum. He says he can do it & make it look really nice.
I'll make a "blueprint" for the water neck & drop it off with the rad this week.
I'm not set up for aluminum or stainless welding.

Still a ton of other parts to get....it seems ! LOL !

pinto_one

I know what you mean on how much money you spend fixing up a car , hope you got it under lock and key, what you have in the pinto may be worth more than the contents of most people's homes, 🙀 (done the same here on some aircraft that I've owned) hope that engine runs for years for you with no trouble even when you flog it once in a while,but looking at the org cross boss intake with the carb for ten grand might not be to bad , a good fuel injection will run you half that but , that one on e bay looks nice, even got the jet kit,  as the old saying goes wish I knew what I know now back then, later Blaine ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0