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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on April 23, 2015, 07:10:14 AM
pinto_one

The Bud Moore intakes have been going as high as (for NOS) $4500.00 +

CROSS BOSS now : http://www.ebay.com/itm/131487913847?item=131487913847&viewitem=&vxp=mtr

First B2 engine I bought back in the 70s for $200.00. All parts on boxes. 6 of the 8 pistons had cracked skirts. Common for them to do that.
I replaced all rotating parts. Seem to remember it cost about $1300.00 ?

Huge difference now ! Most people would have a stroke if they knew how much $ I now have in my engine !

That one is going for $10,500 on the link. I amazed at what I put into my cars to be honest, or even my truck. You've built one heck of an engine there Reeves. It not only looks awesome, it looks like an amazing runner.

All of use restoring a Pinto, or something else, end up putting way more than we expect in one.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

pinto_one

The Bud Moore intakes have been going as high as (for NOS) $4500.00 +

CROSS BOSS now : http://www.ebay.com/itm/131487913847?item=131487913847&viewitem=&vxp=mtr

First B2 engine I bought back in the 70s for $200.00. All parts on boxes. 6 of the 8 pistons had cracked skirts. Common for them to do that.
I replaced all rotating parts. Seem to remember it cost about $1300.00 ?

Huge difference now ! Most people would have a stroke if they knew how much $ I now have in my engine !

Pintocrazed

OH IF I HAD THAT TRUCKLOAD IT BE ON ITS WAY TO LOUISIANA

pinto_one

Its been years since I have seen one, back in the very early 70s,  we had a small group of ford guys and one of them worked at the local ford dealer in the parts department, he had one with the manifold on his 70 boss 302 mustang , later he brought a spare engine shortblock for it, first thing you noticed it had four bolt mains and screw in core plugs,  later found out the rods were the special 3/8 bolt 289 long rods , the boss Pistons only would fit with that combination,  that is what made made me notice yours because of the top that comes off, did not know it was a bud more,  on the pluss side it makes porting the intake to match the heads a dream,  thank for reviving old memories from the past 😸
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Reeves1

Quote from: Pintocrazed on April 22, 2015, 08:20:00 AM
THIS PINTO IS HIGH ON MY LIST OF CARS I WANT

All it would take is a truck load of cash  ;D

Pintocrazed

THIS PINTO IS HIGH ON MY LIST OF CARS I WANT

Reeves1

Cross BOSS is a different intake.
This is the Bud Moore Mini Plenum.

I have a picture of a Cross BOSS - in a Pinto....

While the smaller in lines are street able, the bigger ones work best WFO. ie: Trans AM

pinto_one

Looking at the intake manifold noticed you have the rare cross boss one, would have been very nice if you had the inline autolite four barrel carb, the only thing about them they had no choke and are super rare and expensive $$$$$

76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

pinto_one

Too much info 🐵🙈🙉🙊
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dianne

Quote from: 76hotrodpinto on April 21, 2015, 10:02:51 AM
SEXXY!!! Mmmm, I think I need a few minutes alone now.

ahahahahahahaha tisk tisk tisk ahahahahaha
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

76hotrodpinto

SEXXY!!! Mmmm, I think I need a few minutes alone now.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

dianne

Looks just awesome!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Slow progress is still progress.....
Plugs wire made.
New copper oil line to gage & more small stuff.
This week I'll have the valve covers soda blasted.
May also have an alignment done & the new windshield put in......






Tonycando

Coming along and looking good..

Tony

dianne

I looked on Photobucket! WOW!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Had a couple hours , so started to add parts.....







dianne

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

This is the Bud Moore intake I'm using, with the thermostat housing set up I do not like.
Pictures are not of the newest re-built engine.





I (finally) found inline thermostats. New style, not like the old Ford 8-N tractor ones.

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/mez-wn0072

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance-Products/555/53260/10002/-1

I like the second design best.

I now know how the new system will be built.

There will be two 90 degree stainless bends. Cope one onto the other, turning to the right side.
Bosses will be welded on for the 4 other things that need to connect.
Should have pictures after the Header build.....

Reeves1

Didn't take any.
The water neck on a Mini Plenum has two.
I do not like the thermostat housing that came with it. Going to have another one made. May end up using an inline (in hose) stat.

With the last engine / different intake, I cut the Lokar throttle cable to length - which is too short now for the taller Mini.
Like I've said.....change one thing & you'll have to change 10 other things !

Pictures can be seen by looking back in this topic.

BTW.....the car's VIN is stamped onto the block in the normal location now  ;D

dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on March 21, 2015, 04:43:11 PM
Engine / trans in.
Mounting not bolted. Tons of small stuff to do , next days off.

Took about 2 - 3 hours to drop it in.
Had the back plate & flywheel bolted on. Tight fit to drop in.
Clutch, bell etc has to be bolted on after it is in place.
Shifter bolted on.

Next days off will be getting it ready for the Header build.
Several other custom parts need to be built as well.
Couldn't do them before the engine was in......

Pictures?  :P
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Engine / trans in.
Mounting not bolted. Tons of small stuff to do , next days off.

Took about 2 - 3 hours to drop it in.
Had the back plate & flywheel bolted on. Tight fit to drop in.
Clutch, bell etc has to be bolted on after it is in place.
Shifter bolted on.

Next days off will be getting it ready for the Header build.
Several other custom parts need to be built as well.
Couldn't do them before the engine was in......

dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on March 21, 2015, 07:51:18 AM
Not yet - maybe today ?

Got caught un-prepared for days off. Was home for what was supposed to be one day. Then the foreman calls late in the day to inform me he is "resetting" us, so we can work a full 24 days.
So 1st day little got done. Yesterday lost 1/2 a day going to town for stuff. Will lose 1/2 day today getting all my stuff ready for work, so I can leave 4-5 AM.
Didn't get the scheduled time off - couldn't make appointments for my truck & other stuff - that will now have to wait a month.

Good luck and hope you get it in! I'm still waiting on my car and the engine is ready. But did get the engine in the Cobra!





Looking forward to seeing yours!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Quote from: dianne on March 21, 2015, 06:39:25 AM
Did you get it in?

Not yet - maybe today ?

Got caught un-prepared for days off. Was home for what was supposed to be one day. Then the foreman calls late in the day to inform me he is "resetting" us, so we can work a full 24 days.
So 1st day little got done. Yesterday lost 1/2 a day going to town for stuff. Will lose 1/2 day today getting all my stuff ready for work, so I can leave 4-5 AM.
Didn't get the scheduled time off - couldn't make appointments for my truck & other stuff - that will now have to wait a month.

dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on March 20, 2015, 08:42:02 AM
As long as nothing goes wrong....dropping engine , trans ect into the car today.

Did you get it in?
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dga57

Quote from: Reeves1 on March 20, 2015, 08:42:02 AM
As long as nothing goes wrong....dropp ing engine , trans ect into the car today.

Good luck, Derrick!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Reeves1

As long as nothing goes wrong....dropping engine , trans ect into the car today.

Tonycando

Quote from: Reeves1 on March 07, 2015, 06:53:44 PM
Engine home. Finally !
Will be in touch re: specs.

FYI - B2s were capable (Trans AM) of handling over 1200 cfm : depends on build.

I have dyno data on the difference between 750 & 850. With my build it should easily handle 850 + with no problems, and still have [some] street manners  ;D

I am familiar with the Boss 302's. Lol enjoy your build.

Reeves1

Engine home. Finally !
Will be in touch re: specs.

FYI - B2s were capable (Trans AM) of handling over 1200 cfm : depends on build.

I have dyno data on the difference between 750 & 850. With my build it should easily handle 850 + with no problems, and still have [some] street manners  ;D

Reeves1

I will not have all the specs till I pick the engine up. Should be in a few more days. Work eating up time....
Will let you know.

Tonycando

Quote from: Reeves1 on February 04, 2015, 08:45:36 AM
BOSS 302 stuff is hard to find and rare....

Engine builder could not find any 2" headers. Had to use ones with 1 3/4" tubes - which chokes this engine big time.
He also did the dyno with a 750 DP Holley. Way under carbed.

I do not have the TQ numbers (yet).
But the engine "quit" building power at 6500 RPM -header/carb issues.

Came in at 510 HP - so far.

(hope it's not the custom cam)

After I get new headers built (April or May) and get an 850 DP (min) on it, it should be well over 550 HP.

Unless something (more) goes wrong, picking it up this morning.......

Those are good numbers for a 302,lots more power can be made with a 750 carb and you might not make any more with a 850 but you will or might lose some street-ability unless you are just wanting the most and are willing to put up with it.
What are your cam Specs  Dur @.050 intake and exh and Lift intake and exhaust.
Tony