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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Reeves1

FYI

Stopped in at the (new) engine builder in Edmonton AB.
Wish I had heard about him before sending the engine to CA.

New parts list:

Oil pump
Timing gears and chain
All new bearings
New rod bolts
Crank studs
Line bore (was .006 past max allowable)
Bore cylinders to .030
Pistons & rings
Cam, lifters, push rods
Rockers
Springs keepers etc
Valves
Head work
(what did I miss ?)
Balance & Blue Print

Shop builds everything from rail engines to stock. Has for a long time & has a very good rep.

Cost is much less than the CA build @ $6700.00 (ish)

Dyno day is another $800.00

There will be other costs.
Will not know which carb I'll be using till the dyno work.

I have four intakes.
I'll be using the Mini Plenum

Spares are :
OEM
Weiand single 4 Tunnel Ram with NOS fittings.
Weiand 2 x 4 Tunnel Ram. This one is NEW, never used.

Engine is being built for race gas (could mix if I wanted).
Not built for NOS.
Car will be scary enough without that stuff.....at least for me.

Completion date end of April (or early May).

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on March 28, 2014, 09:21:49 AM

My scars from wrenching read like a roadmap
I hear that, and along with header burns, lol.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on March 28, 2014, 07:58:47 AM
I hate removing skin, LOL.. ;D ;D

My scars from wrenching read like a roadmap
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

I hate removing skin, LOL.. ;D ;D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

The way I put engines/trans into these, I have not had any troubles, even though I do it all by myself.
Done it so many times I could likely do it in the dark ..... besides.....skin grows (mostly) back  ;D

Pinto5.0

You need to make the tunnel removable to get at some of those bolts. You must have the patience of Job to wrench in tight spaces because I throw wrenches frequently when I'm jammed tight in a small area LOL.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Reeves1

Made a set of templates. Bigger one is for the left (drivers) side.
May trim some more off of them ?
To these will be welded angle iron. One on the frame rail.
I have poly pads (same as I used for the engine mounts).
They'll bolt to the back of the Quick Time bell.




Reeves1

Since my B2 is away getting yet another re-build....

I have a spare 302w roller block. Put it in the car so I can figure out the mid mounts.
Still have not found a plate that I like.
I may have the back plate for the Quick Time bell re-made to my specs.
Or...I may make a bracket for each side of my own design.
Got to think on it......







Reeves1

A little progress , is still progress , right ?

Made four Mini Plenum gaskets. Two are 1/16" two are 1/32".
Research showed 1/16" what people were using. Seems thick.....

Cut some plexi to keep them as made.


Reeves1

Top right 2.5" hole is where the main wire harness will go through the fire wall.
I'll cut two 3" aluminum plates , with a center bolt (small one) & seal up the original hole.
Doing it this way so I do not have to pull the stuff off of the inside , to weld it up.





(brake lines will be re-located in the future)

Reeves1

Was looking at a number of them this morning.

Was also looking at my car yesterday. The bell & trans still sits in the car.
I have a couple 302w blocks sitting around to make sure everything lines up.
B2 engine will not be back home till late March or April.

Looks to me I could make some 1/4" brackets that can bolt on behind the bell flange. I can make it/them so at least 3 bolts go through them.

Have to think on this more.....

Could only find a 1/8" plate on the S&W site.
I'll measure my back plate today.

79prostreet

Reeves1, the plate I used came from S&W race cars it's 3/32 thick steel and goes between the trans & block.
79prostreet

Reeves1

Thanks for the picture.

Did a google search on mid plates. Most are too thick & aluminum ?

Is/are they bolted outside of the bell, or replace the back plate ?

Best ones replace the back plate ? I have a Quicktime bell. Steel back plate.

My Super T-10 cannot be moved back at all. I have to use an extended pilot bushing as it is.

79prostreet

Hey, no problem. I think once you get started you'll find it to be no big deal. By the time I got done cutting on mine not much left. The picture shows it in the back area to a tab on the frame. Bud
79prostreet

79prostreet

Hey, no problem. I think you'll find not to be a big deal once you get started. By the time I was done with mine there was'nt much left.
79prostreet

Reeves1

Quote from: 79prostreet on April 10, 2013, 09:05:38 PM
Do you plan on a mid plate?

The more I look at the car & think on it.......I like this idea.
Thanks for creating more work for me !  ::)

;D

Reeves1

I sent the engine into the city (Edmonton) for a full inspection.

Wrong crank/rod bearings. The rods were binding on the outsides of the bearings. (pics of this & more will be taken after the junk parts are back home)
Wrong rod bolts - they are the ARP 8740 & no builder in his right mind uses anymore.
Was told it looks like the bearings were replaced after the dyno runs.
Rods will go through a more detailed inspection to see if they can be re-used.
Crank (so far) looks OK - more detailed inspection will be done.
Although I was charged for .030 over pistons to be turned to fit .020 bore.....they were not done. They are real .020 over pistons.
But the compression in not 11:1 as told. Worked out to 10.35:1
Bottom timing chain gear damaged (didn't look at the top one or chain)
Cam may have damage....it looked that way at home before sending into the city.
Doesn't matter - wrong one for this engine anyway.
One set of lifters backwards to the others.
Left head gasket on backwards.
This caused a heat problem & damaged the exhaust guides.
He put the cheap stainless valves in - two exhaust valves are bent.
Head is OK though.

New parts (so far) needed:
Rod bolts Maybe rods)
New .030 over pistons (to get compression up)
Rings
all bearings, seals & gaskets
New custom grind cam, solid roller.
Push rods
Lifters
Valves , springs etc
New timing chain & gears
Oil pump

New intake will be a Mini Plenum & new carb

What did I miss ?

PS: another guy had his B2 engine built at the same time as mine. Built in the same way. He was maybe 5 minutes from home & KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK !
He babied it home & is sending that engine back.
Great engine builder, huh !

Reeves1

Called this morning.....lots left to check.....but lots of bad news.
It may be a week or so before I post all the info.

I'll pick the engine up on the 21st (ish) , when headed home for the season break  :'(

74 PintoWagon

That sucks, sorry to hear that.. :(
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

Sad day.... re-crate the engine to send it away for tear down and inspection.
Block will be magged, soniced and checked for core shift. Plus a detailed inspection.
Same for heads, plus flow check each port.






So far, new parts needed:
All gaskets
Seals
Crank
All bearings
Cam
Lifters
Push rods
Rods bolts ( has the cheap 8740 ARP bolts)
Rockers
Springs retainers etc
Likely valves , as they may be the cheap stainless ones
Oil pump

If the block fails inspection, maybe a whole new engine.
Even the left head gasket is on backwards.
Don't send anything to Mascar in Ca......

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

Scroll back up & see the hole in the inner fender. Same on both sides. Back 2 tubes on each side go through there.
Front 2 on each side go slightly forward, down and under the cross member.

Likely the same as the old Hooker swap headers went.

74 PintoWagon

Those are strange looking headers.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

Duh !

I raised the engine due to the Milodon pan. Headers will not fit without lowering the rack. Plus the motor mounts I made are in the way.
Gotta think on what to do......

Reeves1

On the way home from MT I stopped in the town where the original headers for my car (when it had the original B2 engine) have been sitting for several years.
Last time I tried to buy them, the guy wanted more than new price.
This time he took $150.00 for them.....a few dents to fix & maybe new ceramic coating, down the road.










Reeves1

I'll clean off the outside of the inner fender. Then "tap" the spot welds to make them flush on the outside, to help prevent grinding/sanding the metal too thin or through.
Then grind/sand the spot welds & make it look like the support was never there.

I'll sand blast to completely remove the rust, before any primer/paint.

Did this for 2 main reasons. One, the rust. Second, I'll need the room for when I route the new heater lines.

Reeves1

Had some time to do a bit of work.
Using a spot weld drill it I drilled the battery support.
I could see some rust dust "leaking" from under it.




Drilled & ready to move.



What is under it.




Reeves1

Left click first picture. It will/should pop up bigger. Then use the next button to see the rest. Keep track of pics if you have any you want more info on.
I never started this engine.
Going for (another) re-build this winter.

Finally got into the motor some more.
After getting my trans & V-Gate in-line shifter worked out, I left the car sitting.
Pulled the engine for a closer look.
I didn't pull the cam, but can see scoring on the front lobe. No pic of it.
I pulled one rod cap. Gave up pulling others, as it is a complete waste of time.
Looks like I will try to use/salvage: bare block, bare heads, timing cover & dip stick/tube. Dampener, oil pan & pick up.
I have a Mini Plenum I'll be using on the next build (found a good guy in Ont Canada).
New carb. I'll see if the dist can be salvaged, depends on what he did to set the gear on it.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DerrickJB/library/Bad%20Engine?sort=3&page=1

Left click the first one. It will (should) pop up bigger. Then use the next button to see the rest.
Reason for sending this is, thought you may want to know.

Derrick

Reeves1

New front brakes.

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/wil-140-11017/overview/

Was going to order them from that place, but after working out USD/CAD exchange, taxes, duty.....was cheaper to buy right here in Edmonton.

ETPinto

I feel its solidly established that this car is mechanically awesome.  Therefore it is my desire to point out that the interior, white on black, gave me a woody.  Those white door panels/arm rests and seats with black cockpit are sweeeet!