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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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This picture is with the 750 DP carb. Replaced with an 850 DP . Also doesn't show the headers.




Reeves1

Hate to do it , but it still up for sale...... 20k

Engine alone is worth 18k

Reeves1

Piss Poor year.....Covid , lack of work ($) so I didn't get the car out this year.
I started it the other day to check timing etc.
The MSD had the biggest (black) stop in it. It would only advance to about 30 degrees.
Need 36-38.
Put two sizes smaller & still not enough , so put the smallest (red) stop in.
Still have to open the shop & try again.
If that doesn't work.....calling for Pro help ! LOL
Car is still for sale....

Reeves1

Quote from: 71pintoracer on May 06, 2020, 04:27:58 PM
Awesome! Wish l could go wiyh you! I haven't driven or ridden in a fast car since June 8th...... :'(
Last time l bought VP fuel here in Va. it was $8.50 a gallon. Sounds like you found a good deal. Do you run it straight or mixed?

Straight race gas.

200 LTS cost me $799.89 so  $3.999 per LT. = 52.8334 US Gallons

71pintoracer

Awesome! Wish l could go wiyh you! I haven't driven or ridden in a fast car since June 8th...... :'(
Last time l bought VP fuel here in Va. it was $8.50 a gallon. Sounds like you found a good deal. Do you run it straight or mixed?


If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Reeves1

Got the ladder bars adjusted.
Clutch adjusted.
Cleaned the windows & put Aquapel on the front one.

Found a new fuel.
AFD Fury 108 is the same as VP C12 and is about $300.00 less than VP fuel per drum (45 gal).
Picking it up in the next couple days.
Then to fire it up & go for a "spin" !

Reeves1

Figures......cold wind & snow for the next several days. Not going to open up the shop to start it.

I did get a start on the steering shaft. Looks like it will work without having to clearance the rear engine mount.
Should be done today.

Edit: DONE !

Works perfect ! Zero clearance issues !

Reeves1

Never did get it out for testing. Weather / work got in the way.

Checked to see if I could do the cable steering shaft change to U-Joints....looks like my back left engine mount will need some small clearance to work.

May fire it up today.....

Reeves1

For years I've been meaning to check the pinion angle.
Finally did.
It was 4 degrees up (+).
I changed it to 1.5 degrees down.
This rolled the diff forward & the tires rubbed at the front. I took the ladder bars off & loosened the diff at the spring mounts & moved it back as well.
All adjusted now , as well as pre loaded the right tire , by lowering the left ladder bar.

Now I just need the time off & good weather to get it out.......rain every day for over a month now !

Reeves1

The new front tires not good ! 4 out of 5 leaked air. Thought I was OK...checked the air in them several times over a few days & they were holding air.
Was taking the car out last Thursday & checked....the newest one on the right was down to 18.5 lbs from 50 lbs !

New back tires. The old are ET Street 26 x 11.50 x 15 with W5 rubber compound.

New are ET Street P275 / 50R15 with R2 compound : much more sticky. Not liking how the outsides roll up. But they stick much better than the old ones.



Reeves1

Didn't change the diff. Had the car out one time , so far.
3k RPM at 60 MPH / 100 KPH.

New shifter works VERY well ! Sits so far to the left I used the small white ball. Just changed it out with a T handle , with the line lock button.
So I'll have to keep my right leg straight up.

New (to me) 15 x 3.5 wheels leak. I have to take the off & water test to see what is leaking....

Reeves1

Shifter is still MIA. Will check mail again today.
Shifter install kit was paid for last night & is supposed to be shipped today.

New front tires ordered this morning.

Fronts: Mickey Thompson - Sportsman S/R  24 x 5.00 R15 LT part number 6651
https://www.mickeythompsontires.com/street-tires/sportsman-s-r

Rear: Mickey Thompson - ET Street R 26 x 11.50 R 15 part number 3552
https://www.mickeythompsontires.com/drag-tires/et-street-r

Likely removing the pumpkin this week end & go from 3:91 to a 4:30 gear.

Reeves1

Went ahead & bought the shifter. It's on the way.

I (finally) got in touch with the guy. He says he has an install kit & will deal on it when he is back to work.
Soon I hope !


Had the old MT sticky tires pulled off the rims (wheels). Going to clean them up & next week order new ones. They will be 26 x 11.50 x 15.
Old ones were W5 compound. New ones R2 (if I remember right ?) which is more sticky.
Also going to order new fronts. They are about 17 years old (date on tires).

Reeves1

The above shifter is the second one I've tried to buy from this guy (Hurstshiftersonline).
He is really bad at communications. Always away for a week or more at a time.
Not sure if I will end up with it, or a new Hurst STREET Super Comp.

Old one above is a better shifter......

Reeves1

"New" shifter for the Top Loader










Reeves1

They came in & look good !

But in one picture you can make out rubber on the bead area ?

Easy way to clean that off ?

Reeves1

Wanted a lower profile tire on the front, but the ones I want will not work on the wide 5 1/2" wheels I have. So I bought a set of 15 x 3 1/2"






71v8Pinto

Reeves1, your car rules!


71v8Pinto

Reeves1

Had the car out for a very short drive.......more "bugs".
Older Brother suggested using Raid     .......  LOL !

65ShelbyClone

There are adapters to fit a T5 onto your narrow Toploader bellhousing. Another middle ground option would be to find a wide ratio gearset and put it in your original narrow case. Just thinking out loud.
Tremec 3550s and TKOs use the wide toploader pattern, but they cost at least as much as Toploaders now.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Wittsend


It seems that ANY Toploader isn't cheap these day($1,500-$3,000). Well, excluding the 3 speeds and the SROD.  My Tiger has the close ratio, older bolt pattern with a 5 bolt bellhousing (5 bolt 289). I had hoped to find a wide ratio but not at current prices. 2.32 close, 2.78wide are the 1st gear ratios.  Some people had considered the overdrive Granada/truck Toploader for the late 70's - upward. But the 1st gear ratio is 3.29 (too low) in one version and because it reaches an overdrive level the gear spread has some rather large jumps.


For about 15 years now I have searched the self serve yards for an 80-86 Jeep truck that used a Toploader (T-178). Had I found one it would have been about $100. It had a 3.01 first and was non-overdrive. The ratio spread was decent.  It probably falls into the "Hens Teeth" catagory. In all that time I think I found two Jeep truck of that vintage that weren't Automatics. One was 4X4 (and the wrong ratio). the other was a standard Toploader but again the wrong ratio. The T-176 and T-177 seems to be popular with the Jeep crowd because of their low 1st gear. So, I thought the T-178 would be a "get rid of" trans..., but nope. Seems it was rare to begin with and not to be found today.


A T-5 seems a cheaper proposition for the Tiger at this point. But there I need a pricy dual pattern scatter shield or a cast iron dual pattern Ford bellhousing for the 5 bolt 289. The window is pretty narrow when the world class started ('86) and the point where they change ('94). I can't seem to ever find those desireable T-5's at Pick Your Part anymore.  I think time passes quickly as we get older and "WHAT..., the '88 Turbo Coupe arrangement in my Pinto is 30 years old!!!"  That TC was only 6 years old when I got it.

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: Reeves1 on July 10, 2018, 06:28:27 AM
Well, that didn't last long.....

First hard shift into 2nd & felt something go wrong. It's stuck in 2nd - but I can still shift into 1st. When I ease the clutch out it acts like it locks up the trans (like brakes on).
I can also shift in / out of 3 & 4.

I'll be inspecting the shifter today - hope I just forgot to tighten a bolt of nut.
I had the same type of problem happen to me with a previous Mustang/Toploader about 20 years ago.
Long story short, the original case got broken and the whole trans was replaced with a used one of unknown history. Shortly thereafter I was in a parking lot and it did what yours did; went into second gear and back into first, but 2nd stayed engaged. IIRC one of the rail detents inside had fallen out. Trans wasn't damaged, but it was a big PITA for such a small part.

Quote from: Wittsend on July 10, 2018, 05:11:23 PMThe Big Blocks did get a thicker input shaft. Length may be different too.
390GT toploaders did not get close ratios nor the big shaft option; it looks like a smallblock part with a shorter pilot. Big shaft boxes came behind 427/428/Boss engines and as a result are a lot less common and a LOT more expensive.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Reeves1

Took a video of the trans problems - but have not found a way to post it.

Ended up taking it back to the place that re-built it. Warranty.

It's done & they have no idea how or why the 2nd gear syncro got jammed into the gear, locking it up.

Picking it up Monday.

Also sent an e-mail to Long Shifters asking for the right shift arms part numbers. No reply yet.

Been looking at the Hurst Street Super Shifter......

Reeves1

Something told me to double check measurements on the input shaft.

There is an inch inside the extended pilot bushing. So it's OK.

Going to pull the trans apart today......

pinto_one

The shifter I used was a Mr Gasket V-Gate inline shifter , used it for years untel some High as a kite POS ran into it ,Totaled ,  some top loaders had two postions to install the shifter on the tail shaft houing , some only had one , fwd or rearward , I used the rearward holes and the shifter boot covered the huge hole just right and in stock location , I was lucky back then because we had a warehouse next to the speed shop and they were alway borowing our forklift so they would let me try the diffrent shifter set ups to try , and also never heard a top jam up like that ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Reeves1

Found the David Kee site yesterday. The site shows the longer input shafts.

Going to search the tag on trans to see what comes up - today.

Right now I have an extended pilot bushing in place. Going to get the longer input & replace the bushing with a "normal" bearing.

Talked with the trans shop that rebuilt it. He has never seen or heard of a Top Loader doing this & suspects it may have 2nd gear seized on the main shaft. Which is un-likely. It's new.

When it's discovered what is wrong I'll up-date.

I'm also going to order a new mounting plate for the shifter, along with another set of shift arms for the trans. (the ones that bolt to trans). This is the inline shifter by Long Shifters.

pinto_one

Yes on the thicker , but also shorter , that is what I came across one time , you may have to use a spacer also ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Wittsend

Could be wrong but I thought the Toploaders were all 2.78 (wide) or 2.32 (close). The Big Blocks did get a thicker input shaft. Length may be different too.

Lots of stuff out there. Try David Kee for info. http://www.davidkeetoploaders.com/idchart1.htm or, Dan Williams http://www.toploadertransmissions.com/toploaderinfo.html or, http://www.5speeds.com/toploader.html or,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Toploader_transmission

pinto_one

what you have is a trans out of a big block ford , you may have to change the clutch disk because the input spline is smaller , the ratio is diffrent also , but that was almost 45 years ago when I done it , I also had the short shaft and found that over a short time the trans would pop out of high gear , it was the pilot bushing wearing out because the shaft was in it less than half way , at higher rpm when you shift the shaft would be clamped of center rolling the shift colloer of the input shaft , the fix was a spacer and a ball bearing , I think you have the wide ratio trans , 3.32  and the small blocks took the 2.78 first gear ratio , could be wrong , after over 40 years you tend to forget  :o
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Reeves1

Called the place that rebuilt it & I have to take it back in.

Likely going to have a new longer input shaft installed as well.

Car will be down for a while. Maybe the rest of the summer......

Shifter is off the trans. Using a wrench I can shift it into first & neutral. Not into second. Still stuck in second. Locks the trans up when shifted into first.
Same for 3 & 4.