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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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claudermilk

My point is regional groups won't necessarily fragment us.  My daily driver is another forgotten Ford, the Probe (yes, a crappy name).  There is the big 'net presence at probetalk similar to here for Pintos--and it enjoys worldwide membership (for example there's a group in Russia among other unexpected areas).  Everyone gets together to trade info while the regional clubs organize the local events.  Most of the local clubs use the probetalk board as their 'net presence.; there's a forum set up for each club

I've seen the board over there used numerous times when someone is traveling to get together with the locals. Never would happen without the central clearinghouse of the forum.  When someone moves to a new area, they are usually already hooked up with the club before they even arrive.

There are several national events organized through the board--and wouldn't even exist without it--the get impressive turnouts.

So definitely not like HS cliques (part of why I HATED HS), use this forum as our central meeting place.  From here local meets can be arranged as well as national ones.

Pintony

Hey Claudermilk,
Not sure what kinda group you talking about but I say lets stay together.
I guess if you wanted it to be like in High School with the little "Clicks"
I like the BIG group because it lets everyone know what is going on around the country.
Personally I think the Knots berry show was really COOL! It gets other Pinto owners excited about wraping up their projects and to the show.
Hell I would even attend a W/E show in Ca. or anywhere if I had enough advance notice.
I really hate when I hear about a show in the next state or county after it's over. Especially when all I did was sit around all W/E and do nothing because I was un-informed.
Heck I see cars going North and South all the time "I live on Route 66" and wonder where the show WAS!!!!
Now if it is just a matter of regions for a peticular Group and everyone stayes here on this board???
I'm all for it.
From Pintony

claudermilk

Quote from: Pintony on April 26, 2005, 09:02:07 PM
Hugh?? What????
The Ford Pintos on this forum are just comming together.
NOW you want to split us up?????
Have you ever heard of the IRL and Cart?????
From Pintony

Not the same situation!  Regions makes sense to me, local groups can do a better job of arranging their own meets, etc.  This board can serve as the national clearinghouse to exchange info between groups.  For a good model, look at probetalk.com; many regional groups that all use that board as a central meeting place.  They even have an all-California meet every couple of years and several multi-regional meets around the country.

Scott Hamilton

Quote from: 71pintok on April 27, 2005, 01:35:05 PM
Haven't seen so many Pintos in one place, other than a new car lot 25 years ago.
          Henry

Hey Henry,

Have not hear from you in a while or this Forum is getting so large It's hard to keep track of each other...
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

wagonmaster

I don't think having regional groups is such a bad thing. The Model 'A' Club, the Early Ford Early V8 Club, and the Shelby Owner's Club of America all had regional groups that had functions for the local members and then there would be a national meet every year. The national meet would be in a different locale each year to give everyone a chance to attend, such as east coast, midwest, west coast, etc. Each regional group would plan their own local functions to keep the members active and give them a way to meet, show off their cars, and exchange ideas or help each other. I belonged to both the Early Ford V8 and the Shelby club and there was always something going on. It was great!
Brien - wagonmaster
'85 LTD LX
'85 LTD Squire wagon

CHEAPRACER

 I'm still all for a southern ca. Pinto night at some fast food joint, car show or something.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

vonkysmeed

Quote from: Pintony on April 26, 2005, 09:02:07 PM
Hugh?? What????
The Ford Pintos on this forum are just comming together.
NOW you want to split us up?????
Have you ever heard of the IRL and Cart?????
From Pintony

I would agree, Lets keep it together and not break it up into regions.  Either that, or everyone needs to move to so cal.  Any thoughts? ;D
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

71pintok

Haven't seen so many Pintos in one place, other than a new car lot 25 years ago.
          Henry

Pintony

Hugh?? What????
The Ford Pintos on this forum are just comming together.
NOW you want to split us up?????
Have you ever heard of the IRL and Cart?????
From Pintony

gpinto2

I just thought I would throw in an idea,maybe it's good maybe it's bad you tell me.Why not make Regional areas out of the PCCA and each one could have there own website here at fordpinto.com.Like this one could be the PCCA Western Region,kind of like how NHRA AND IHRA do it.

I just thought if we could do it this way,we could have our main site and then the regional sites and each region could have there own people in charge,it might bring even more people in to the community.Just a idea of mine,don't beat me up too bad OK

1972 Pinto 410,C-4

Scott Hamilton

Let me know what you want in the 'name' area & i'll set it up for you ASAP.

I can give you 500MB space, unlimited bandwidth, CGI, Email aliasing for your group (name@fordpinto.com)

No Charge,

Again, FordPinto.com is here to expand the Pinto Community in any way possible. This site is all our site not any individuals, we all work together.

We need to get you involved as a Charter Member & for access to the restricted threads where we plan the future of the Pinto Community at large,
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

Pintopower

Hey Scott,
Thats a great idea! We wanted to go through this site. How do we go about doing that? Will we need to follow this sites parameters? How much? Feel free to email me the info. I need to talk 2 the board and get their take on this, but i know they will love it! We just posted out name in DRIVE magazine which is distributed in CA, AZ, and NV. Im thinking the Werstern Regional Pinto Owners Association. So far, we have about 10 people that are founding fathers with a collective total of at least 45 pintos. I that doesnt include the people that I met at the show. Any way, looking forward to hear from you.
Alberto
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

vonkysmeed

Quote from: Pintopower on April 21, 2005, 11:07:36 PM
Pinto 2

You can see more about this car at http://mysite.verizon.net/res0pv34/

If the link does not work today, I will fix it.  Verizon was doing maintenance at the time of this post.
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351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

skrach

would the owner of the brown 71 be located in riverside ca? a few blocks from the marriots hotel and convention center? if so i was looking for it during that weekend and i was gonna offer him some money cause i seen it last year at a house. and i wanted to buy it lol  let me know if it is located in riverside.
1971 Ford Pinto Sedan. Original CA Car. Root Beer Brown. but wont be that color for long. Tired of the poop brown reputation. haha

Scott Hamilton

Excellent turnout!  Just Excellent!

Western U.S. ford pinto owners association? Fantastic!

Let me know how I can help you get the word out & if you need some webspace you can have something like http://name.fordpinto.com where 'name' is anything you want free...

This goes for any group that is trying to put a site together about pintos, use fordpinto.com to propel your site & allow me to drive traffic to you.

FordPinto.com is here to expand the Pinto community in any way...

Let me know how I can help,
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

Pintony

Very NICE Pinto Bipper!!!!!!
I love the Root Beer color.
Brown Interior?
Kermit has 51000 now When I bouhgt him in Palto alto he had 47000 in summer of 2000.
so 2000+or- of those miles were on the way home.
From Pintony

Bipper

Actually photo # 3 is a 1971,  42,000 mile one owner car.

Bipper
71 Sedan, stock
72 Pangra
73 Runabout, 2L turbo propane

Pintopower

The 77 with the sun roof is the clear pop out one, not the crank. He paid 1350 for that car and its damn near perfect in every way! The Pinto Owners Assoc. that we are starting has been around about 3 days! Sorry if i made it sound like it been around longer. That show was just the kick in the butt that we needed to organize something. We are also trying to see if some of us can join you at your show! Who is the contact for that?
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

ADaughen

WOW! lots of clean cars there...

Looking good guys. 
'78 Cruisin' Wagon

Pintony

Photo#3
WOW a 1972 Pinto W/ Factory A/C!!!!!
I thought the A/C option first came in 1973??
WOW that must be rare!!!!! COOL!!!!

Photo#4
I.ve only seen a flip down rear seat on a sedan 1 time. What a cool option!!!!!!
The guy that owned the only other I have seen, donated the car to charity for the tax write off.
Over 20 Years ago.

Photo#7
Is that a crank back moon roof????

Photo#9
I really Like the Bobcat grill on that yellow Pinto!!!!!!
Nice Job guys I hope our Mid-West meet is 1/2 as nice as yours.
How many years have you guys been geting together????
From Pintony

Pintopower

Hey Pintony,
Thanks for the comments! That day was an ABSOLUTE blast. I got numbers of 5 people that still have and love thier pintos but they just had no idea that they were not alone. Plus, we also met another guy who owns a pangra, an original gold one. So Next year, we are looking at breaking 20 mark. We are also now in the process of founding the Western U.S. ford pinto owners association. We are hoping that this will make a huge difference in the pinto presence on the west coast at shows. The only thing better than a pinto are their owners!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Sir Hugh

Hey Pintony,
Just responding to your question. By the way, Pintopower would be my brother and that plum 78 is mine.  Uh, first it was your choice if you wanted your hood up or not.  Also, we pretty much knew most of the owners, and those we didn't, we got to know very well.  The only one with the hood up most of the time was the Pangra because people kept asking to see it.  And well also FrankenPinto since it had no hood :D.  The show was fantastic, I had a blast.  It was a record number of Pintos at the show this year.  We also had many comments about how we should have our own class instead of being in other Fords.  Yet the best part of the day for me was the Six Pinto Parade that cruised at about 55 on the freeway to the show.  There were so many thumbs up, honks, and "Woohoo"s.  What a great day. ;D
Loving my plum 1978 Pinto Hatchback.  He has a rebuilt engine and is running like new. Beautiful. He still needs a new paint job though.

Pintony

Hey PintoPower,
NICE JOB!!!!!!
Great photos!!!! Looks very professional.
Was that show a "Closed" show? Or did you have to ask everyone to close their hoods to take those Great shots??????
From Pintony

Pintopower

Oh, and if any of you are into Capri's (they do have our motors, you know) heres a cool pic of all capri body styles ever produced. Might even be the only time they have ever all been togehter considering the variations of places that they were sold and built. Thought you guys might like it!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

And lastly, the Herd....
Email me if you guys want bigger pictures
pintopower@hotmail.com
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

oops, skipped the Pangra
72 sedan, usual pangra goodies, a beauty
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

79 wagon, V-6, fully loaded, restored
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

80 wagon, all original, factory mags, fully loaded, super clean!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

80 sedan, Pony model, original int, new paint
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

80 squire, all orig, I-4, stick
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.