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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Meet Dolly

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tinkerman73

I took her out yesterday since the weather was nicer. I gave her a good bath that was much needed to get the darned salt off of her! So the "rain" test was done. Passed with flying colors everywheres except where it counted. LOL. My seat got wet from the back top corner of the car. So I made note, when I can, put some rubber tape on there for now until I can get a new seal. After driving to the city today and back in the other new car wich is suypposed to be good on gas, I learned that it does not get much better then the pinto. So that means I may enjoy Dolly more this summer then thought? We will see. LOL.
Jody Michielsen

tinkerman73

I am looking for the driver front side marker light as seen in the following photo. Eventually I would like to get the drivers fender for the 77 version. Also would like to do a grill more like the old camaroes or vegas. LOL. But that is all well enough down the road. I would like to replace the market when I can though. Its taped up for now. LOL. By the way, took her out for her good ride tonight. I was surprised at a red light instead of blue for the high beams! LOL. The speedo light flickered a couple of times. The fuel one twice. So I will have to check all of those connections and light bulbs some time. Did not run hot this time! So the first day the thermostat must have just stuck closed due to sitting too long? Road at 70 fine. Broke rubber and did nice donut in the school parking lot when I picked up my brother in law tonight. Peppy enough to satisfy the daily driver routine. LOL. The bumps were a little harsh sometimes. I do have a new set with it. But they are the old style Wondering if there are any gas shocks that would bolt on? Thats another future thing though all in due time. When I stopped to pick up meds, it felt wierd having to look UP at the window since I am used to looking down to the window in my van. LOL. Got more compliments on the car! LOL. Thats always cool! Thanks.
Jody Michielsen

phils toys

ok i though you had said it was a 78 that had been converted what side fender do you need?
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

tinkerman73

Thanks guys. Phils toys, if you read, it is a 77 pinto wagon. But it had a fender bender and the previous guy could not find a fender for it. So he got a 79 bobcat for it for the front clip. Put that on and repainted it. I liked how it looked. But now, I am really liking how the round lights look better. I have the one fender, so I may try to find the other in the future. Just, I really dont like the squarish bumpers! Esp. how the back one sticks out. I really like the early thin rounded bumpers and the rear roll pan. I may sometime down the road try to chance them out. A question I have looking at the width and style. Would any vega pieces be close? I know like front air dams etc. are more widly available for those? I also kinda like the grill opening better on them. LOL. I know one thing, mine will be a custom one of a kind when I get done. LOL.All in good time. I need to make sure she is driveable and reliable first! When I have it in for the inspection this morning, I will have them check out the cooling issue too. Who knows, since it sat for a while. Could be a stuck thermostat. Hopefully its not a pluged radiator. But I am going to assume since the coolant in the radiator is hot, that it is making it back from the motor. Anyways. The saga begins! LOL.
Jody Michielsen

dave1987

Sounds like you've got a great list of plans there!

A lot of what you are planning to do, I have done to my 78 Sedan. And about 70% of what you are planning to do is what I have already done or will be doing next week to my 73 station wagon!

If you have any questions about anything or need any parts, let me know. I have a lot of interior and some exterior odds and ends in storage.


A great rule of thumb to keep in mind is that Ford recycled A LOT of parts between cars in the 70s. My 78 is running off of parts from Mustangs, Pintos, Bobcats, Rangers, Granadas, etc.

Interior parts are quite plentiful if you don't mind staying 100% original, bigger things and some small parts are harder to find.

I am using sun visor pins from some 70's era car that are the same length. I just ordered some rubber tips from scc sscenterprises on both my Pintos. My 73 Station Wagon has a seat belt bolt cover from a Fairlane I think, Steering wheel on the 78 is from a Mustang II, smog pump from a Lincoln Continental, some motor parts are from Rangers and Mustangs.

My 78 is my custom, modernized daily driver. My 73 is my semi-restore weekend driver that will be nice to drive, but not 100% original as I had originally planned.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

phils toys

the hose should be soft and squeezable becarefull when replacing that it does not hit  the fan i learned the hard way
i just looked at your rear seat again  and it is not a 78 type   they had a split seat  not a solid one so your car may be a 77 leftover and sold as a 78 due to some new goverment regs that came out
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

tinkerman73

Alright. Took her for about a 2 mile spin today to go get gas. Was pleasantly surprised to get half a tank for $20!! Anyways, when I got back, I checked her all out. To me, it seemed to be a little hot in the fluid for such a short distance considering it is only about 10 degrees out and who knows with the windchill. I did stop half way for about 3 minutes to get the fuel. Is this typical? I opened up the radiator cap. It did not appear as the the fluid was circulating? Supposed to be a new head on the motor and a radiator flush and fill when that was done. I went to squeeze the top radiator hose to see if it would bubble and made note that there is a soft outer rubber shell then a hard inner shell and I could not squeeze it very much. So my test on that was a flop. Thanks.
Jody Michielsen

postalpony

Hello Tinkerman73  Looks to me like you have scored a winner.
I am happy that you got her at a good price. (my opinion, which
with a $10 bill might get you a cup of coffee)
I like the interior also.  Have fun with your young helpers as
this will be something to look back on & be proud..

             Best of luck with your build!   Dick Mathias
1980 Hatchback was a "Postal Unit" on the
west coast in it's early life. Now residing
in Ohio, But we don't haul the U.S. Mail anymore;
Now all we do is HAUL!
5th gear 4700 rpm & still pullin'= 113+  mph

UPDATE-83.762 mph in 4th gear As verified by a W Va State Trooper-WITH 1 GEAR TO GO 6-2-11

blupinto

If you're worried about the gas tank fire thing, don't be. That was an issue with '71-'76 sedans and Runabouts. '72-'80 wagons were never recalled for that, as they were longer and therefore didn't have the same problem with gas tank ruptures when hit from behind.  ;D


By the way... congratulations on getting Dolly! I had a feeling it would work out. ;)
One can never have too many Pintos!

tinkerman73

Well today Dolly and I got better aquanted out back in the barn. My hands were everywheres. LOL. J/K. Anyways, took many pics of various things. Made  a exstensive list of what needs to be fixed/replaced. Things I want to do. Ill list it here and maybe anyone along the way reading it can contact me if they have something in the right color? Thanks. I do actually have the color mixture forula for the interior metal work. Need to find it for the yellow exterior.

1.Replace fan blower motor. One works now, want new one later.
2. Replace coil. Works now. Eventually want a new one.
3. Replace Upper and lower hoses and hoses to heater core. Works now. Replace eventually.
4.** NEED rear license plate light bracket**
5.** Replace front drivers side marker lense. Is cracked in two! **
6. cut off and weld on new passenger side front fender bottom mount.
7. Look into the optional passenger side dash gauges?
8. Replace tissue box with radio kit.
9. Replace gear shifter selector trim.
10. Weld in new floor pans.
11. replace carpet.
12. Decide if stay with rubber in cargo or go carpet?
13. Fix drivers side seat uphoulstry
14. Lets get hitched. Need to find a hitch to tow small trailer with for camping.
15. Replace passenger seat lift pin trim.
16. Get new drivers seat belt hanger cover.
17.replace drivers side mirrow with two sport mirros( for both side DOH! LOL.)
18. Get black seat belt for rear seat. (cram another kid in why dont we?)
19.Replace passenger side sun viser(plastic pin broken)
20. Find a R for Ford on the rear hatch.
21.fix/replace rear roof trim in cargo area above the hatch. (is cracked from the screw out.)
22. **get and install gas tank and filler neck recall kit!!** Or
22A replace tank with ABS fuel tank
23. massage out dent on passenger door.
24. fix surface rust around edges on wheel wels and behind the rear wheels
25.** Get new light bulb for passenger side front marker**
26. Replace dash pad or get dash pad cover.
27. Install aftermarket rear window defroster for winter time.
28. Replace starter selenoid.
29. Replace coil.
30. Engine tune up.(plugs rotors wires)
31. New valves in the new head.(motor has new heads. Guy put in old valves and lifters.)
32. replace battery to block ground wire.(insulation starting to crack. Starting to corode at the battery)
33. Get new battery
34. Replace heater core.
35.**Replace Fan Belt** ( seems solid but shows signs if slight cracking)
36. Repaint.( Have green formula for interior. Need formula for yellow exterior)
37. Tranny fluid and filter change
38. Rebuild parts motor and or swap for 2.3 turbo. If no turbo swap, then are there hop up options for this motor?
Jody Michielsen

larjohnson

Well  HELLO DOLLY!!!!!!  congrats, she looks like a great car.  Hope you and the little ones have fun with her.  I'm sure they're going to become Pinto lovers too!!!!!
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Quote from: tinkerman73 on February 05, 2011, 07:57:07 PM
Thank you. I forgot some details! LOL. She has new tires, new brakes(including the Ebrake), new seleniod a extra set of stock rims and tires, two hoods and four fenders along with the spare motor and tranny. Was inspected three months ago. I rolled her home with trailer rental and gas for $1,000

     I'd say you did just fine on that deal!!! 

     Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

tinkerman73

Thank you. I forgot some details! LOL. She has new tires, new brakes(including the Ebrake), new seleniod a extra set of stock rims and tires, two hoods and four fenders along with the spare motor and tranny. Was inspected three months ago. I rolled her home with trailer rental and gas for $1,000
Jody Michielsen

Bigtimmay

1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

dga57

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

tinkerman73

Well, our round trip turned into a twelve hour day! The last hour leg of the trip back home turned into three hours due to freezing rain! Then our usual 40 minute round trip to town to drop the trailer off turned into another 1 1/2! LOL.Otherwise the first 5 hours of the trip up and back was great! Van did well too! Had a mishap the last time I towed a car with it and blew a tranny! This time went very smooth! Well, other then the freezing rain! LOL. But here she is! Meet Dolly!


Jody Michielsen

blupinto

How about "Spring", for her spring green color? (think Crayola 64 colors. lol)

Hoo boy I do know that feeling... the anticipation, the worry that you've got your spiel and cash ready... and it'll already be sold... or the seller will be firm and you won't have enough... what you're gonna do when you get your wagon home... Yeeeh!  I'm pulling for you! She's a real beauty!

One can never have too many Pintos!

tinkerman73

Well, today is the big day. I slept like doo doo last night. Kept waking up and thinking about the car! LOL. Finially up for the day and getting ready to head out to look it over and see if we can make the final deal. I am all set to bring her home! Have never had a hard time trying to name a car before though? Cant think of a good one for this girl? Anyways, will get some new photos of it and post later. Wish me all good luck today!
Jody Michielsen

tinkerman73

Thanks. It may be.? I am liking how decent the interior is looking! Body is not a rust bucket either. So I am very excited!
Jody Michielsen

blupinto

That is a really neat-looking wagon Tinkerman!  ;D

The front end looks like it's '79-'80.

I love that green interior!!!
One can never have too many Pintos!

tinkerman73

Alright. Growing up I always dreamt of haveing a cool car to work on with my dad. When I was 15, we had a Olds 98 Regency. They promised when I turned 16 they would buy a new car and give me that one. Well two weeks before I turned 16 I got home from school and there was a new car in the driveway! YES I was thinking to myelf. It was a baby blue with blue interior. Kinda classy. So I was thinking sleeper! Well 2 days before I turned 16 and I got home, the Olds was gone. To my dismay, they junked it. I was so let down! A year later we were at a park for a family reunion. I saw a flyer for a car show and had to show my dad the flyer in hopes of going. Well someone asked us if we like old cars. Well chat lead us to buying a 53 Belair for $500 and taking it home. I was very happy again. Yeah right. IN the year we owned it I was allowed to drive it up the driveway once! Big freakin woop! So I have always wanted a project for ME! Something I could enjoy. Something I could toy with! Now having two boys I want something I can get them into enjoying too! Well this saturday I am supposed to bring home a 77 Pinto Pony wagon.Cheap and driveable. Needs some work like floor boards. But a nice looking car all of the same! So I am seriously hoping all goes well! LOL. May even make this chevy guy a ford lover? LOL.  So stay tuned for more! It does have a 78 front clip on it as the guy wrecked a fender on it before this person. Supposedly he could never find a 77 fender, so he used the front clip off of a parts 78. Sometime I hope to return it to the 77 metal work! My goal for now is to lightly restore it. Eventually when I have the money, would love to do a turbo 2.3 swap in it. Thanks for looking.





Jody Michielsen