Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Minnesota Teen Recovering From Severe Burns After Pinto Fire

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Cookieboystoys

well, things didn't go exactly as planned or hoped but was a fun time. I cancelled the camping part of my trip and ended up going by myself to meet up with Dangerusdug and dmsteen, they brought their rides... unfortunatly I couldn't bring one of mine  :-[



dmsteen and his wife with the '79 cruiser



and Dangerusdugs '79 Bobcat



the rest of the Pictures I took are on my photobucket

here ~~> http://s438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/cookieboystoys/Jeff%20Hinkemeyer%20Car%20Show/?start=0
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

78txpony

Quote from: Cookieboystoys on July 19, 2010, 10:14:33 PM
It has been quite a while since the accident and he's been home since early this year, driving his new car an '87 cutlass supreme, chasin' girls I'm sure and doing all things young men do...
Hmmm - a Pinto and An Olds - this guy's got some class!  Send him over to ClassicOldsmobile.com - I think he would enjoy it there. 

BTW, subtract 1 year form both his cars and it equals to what I had back when i was his age - look at my sig... 
I still have both but added 3 more...  ::)
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: r4pinto on July 19, 2010, 07:37:32 PM
If there is any way that we can donate anything to help out him & his family for expenses I would be glad to send something their way. Like you said, it's about the person not the incident.

I think showing support and best wishes at this point is all that can be hoped for. It has been quite a while since the accident and he's been home since early this year, driving his new car an '87 cutlass supreme, chasin' girls I'm sure and doing all things young men do...

I do believe the car show is to raise money for other burn victims but unsure how that is worked or if that is still the plan, I will likely find out more when I'm there and can talk to planners and such. This year is billed as the 2nd annual so we'll see if it becomes a yearly event...

For now I am keeping my eyes open and looking for a '79 hatchback similar to his, If I find a good one..... who knows what I'll do...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

r4pinto

Brian,

My hats off to anyone that can go through such an ordeal & if I could be out there to support him I would. If there is any way that we can donate anything to help out him & his family for expenses I would be glad to send something their way. Like you said, it's about the person not the incident.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: 78txpony on July 19, 2010, 01:04:00 PM
My thoughts and prayers go to Jeff and his family.

and...

If MN wasn't so darn far, I would be there too!

I'll be sure to pass on the good wishes and thoughts.... and I wish it was closer for a lot of folks

Update from Jeff Hinkemeyer July 19 at 4:05pm = I have some more information on the car and bike show. The entry fee is $15 per person and includes a t shirt. the car show is from 10am-2pm and there will be a car cruise not sure on the route. then when the cruise returns there will be a bean bag tournament. The cruise regiatration is at 11am and the cruise leaves at 1pm sharp. I would appreciate it if you would come and bring as many people as you want

and again the location

When : Saturday July 31st, 2010

Where: JP's Bar and Grill
            1313 2nd Street North
            Sauk Rapids, MN 56379

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

78txpony

My thoughts and prayers go to Jeff and his family. 
With as hard as he was hit, any kind of newer car small to mid size could have ignited in that particular situation.   I have seen it happen, too.

I hope Jeff makes a speedy recovery and gets a new Pinto to replace his.  His Pinto took its life to save his.  If MN wasn't so darn far, I would be there too!
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

Cookieboystoys

I setup my reservation for Friday and Saturday Nights
Friday July 30th (arriving late evening) and Leaving Sunday Morning August 1st

at

St Cloud Campground & RV Park - www.stcloudcampground.com
2491 2nd Street Southeast, St Cloud, MN - (320) 251-4463

now to get the rig ready


So Far... it looks like Chris and Dave from the Twin Cities with be joining the Fun! and Doug from Wisconsin will also be making the trip.

Is there anyone else close by (Minnesota, Dakota's, Iowa or Wisconsin) that might consider the trip and fun ?
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: FlyerPinto on July 02, 2010, 02:00:09 PM
Any kind of a fund we could donate to for expenses or anything to help him out? I can't get there to help in person.

I know the 1st Annual was a fund raiser for him, not sure on the 2nd, I did hear it mentioned money raised would go to burn victims... but I really don't know details. Hope to soon, waiting to find out who is and talk to the organizer. Jeff doen't know any details, someone else is doing the organizing.

He is out of the hospital (early 2010) and yesterday was his last day for physical therapy but I'm sure he and the family would be appreciative of anything offered. I keep looking for that elusive '79 to replace his but no luck so far and all I'm looking forward to in this is just to gather the Pony's and show our support.

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

FlyerPinto

Any kind of a fund we could donate to for expenses or anything to help him out? I can't get there to help in person.
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

Cookieboystoys

Becky, Norm, Dwayne and Dave, I wish you could all be there too  :(

But I will be sure to pass on the well wishes and support  ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

dave1987

Wishing I could go and support his speedy recovery, I really do. Great young man right there, glad to see he's okay and survived it all, he's got a good long life ahead of him, and I have a feeling he's going to love every moment he has of it!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

It is amazing that anyone could have survived that crash!  He is one VERY blessed young man.  I can't be there but give him my best wishes!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Norman Bagi

I saw this video and story on the Turbo Pinto site. It is sad, but it is great to hear how he has a positive attitude. Based on the twisted wreckage in the picture, that car was slammed damn hard. It makes you think, not just about Jeff or Pintos, but life, family, and all the blessings we have. God bless him and his family.

blupinto

All I can say is...WOW. Bless him for not only escaping what would've surely been a fiery death but having a strong will to survive and carry on. What a remarkable young man he is! And... he doesn't hold it against his car like some might. That Pinto got HAMMERED! Frankly, if you even hit the wagon hard enough something like that could happen. I wish I could be at this show and offer my support. He deserves it.
One can never have too many Pintos!

Cookieboystoys

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

dmsteen


Cookieboystoys

Hey Doug, see ya there  ;D

Tonij1960, Jeff is an amazing kid, great attitude and has worked hard during recovery. He would love to get another Pinto from what he has said to me. Wants a '79 only from what I understand, that's the cutoff for the local car shows so an '80 wouldn't work. Doesn't seem interested in the '78 and older ones. He has also mentioned a turbo or V8 project someday down the line perhaps. I keep looking for a local '79 but that's a hard year to find, lot's of '80s have shown up, I even have an extra '80 ready for the turbo or V8 (has C4 and 8" already) that I don't have any plans for.

I'm looking forward to finally meeting him face to face vs. email and messages, this will be my "fun trip" of the summer.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

ToniJ1960

 God bless him, and probably he already did. Now no pinto joke but I do hear the wagons are safer as the tank is supposedly further towards the front.Mine got hit hard from behind at a stop and knockled into the car in front of me in 1991. It drove one shock up enough in back to dimple the floor back there,and pushed the core support back. But I drove it home with the help of some wire to hold the radiator hose away from the fan.

But I suppose any car hit that hard theres a chance of something like fire.Thank god hes ok. And I hope he finds a nice red 77 or 78 pinto :)

dangerusdug

I plan on going and bringing the Bobcat too.... :fastcar:

Cookieboystoys

Minnesota Teen Recovering From Severe Burns After Pinto Fire

May 2009 - Jeffery Hinkemeyer was burned over 90 percent of his body after his 1979 Pinto was rear-ended and burst into flames in May 2009. Jeffery has made a recovery that defies the odds...

watch this video...
http://wcco.com/video?id=73414@wcco.dayport.com

here are a couple pictures of his car

before the crash



and after




Jeffery has come a long way to recovery and doing great, an amazing young man hanging tough after all that he has been thru. Early this year he got to go home and today was his last day of physical therapy.

A few things to keep in mind and additional info - Jeff was rear ended and the car that hit him was going at a very high rate of speed. Sent him into the ditch, hit a driveway, started flipping and took out several mail boxes on the other side. Gas was everywhere from the impact and flips and ignighted. This was no simple "love tap" and he was lucky to survive, no matter what car he might have been driving. This Post Is Not About Pinto's, Rear End Collisions, Gas Tanks and Pinto Fires. It's about Jeff, an amazing young man, and the ordeal he survived. He still misses his "Sexy Little Pinto" and would love to own another so lets keep the comments about "Pinto Fires" out of this. My post is about showing our support for Jeff.


Anyhow, I'm off the soap box... It's time to start planning for the 2nd Annual Jeff Hinkemeyer Car Show

When : Saturday July 31st, 2010

Where: JP's Bar and Grill
            1313 2nd Street North
            Sauk Rapids, MN 56379

I still need more details on times for the show but plan for morning to mid-afternoon, will post more info as I have it.

My plans at this point....

I will leave Hibbing, MN 55746 Friday evening and hope to be staying at...

St Cloud Campground & RV Park - www.stcloudcampground.com
2491 2nd Street Southeast, St Cloud - (320) 251-4463

I will be bringing my '77 Pinto and one of the Apache Campers for the trip and weekend, I plan to leave for home on Sunday.     

anyone looking for a hotel for the night, here's one for consideration.

Super 8 Motel - Sauk Rapids/St. Cloud Area - maps.google.com
1420 2nd Street North, Sauk Rapids - (320) 251-9333

Anyway, it's time to "start" planning for the show, shine and get together...

I would like to hear from everyone who thinks they can attend, Thanks :)

my email is cookieboystoys "at" yahoo "dot" com

Brian - The Cookieboy
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!