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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Here is my '80 hatch I call Callisto

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bbobcat75

that  is going to be on detailed pinto!!! i want to do my that much to my 75 bobcat hatch, ill do it when i retire in 40 years, it will give me a project!!!

great work!! the end result will be awsome!!!!!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Pinto5.0

I put in 16 hours over the last 2 days on the Pinto. I made great progress on the drivers side.



It was a mess under the fender with tar & undercoat but it was free of rust.



Broke both T-bolts on this side. The passenger side came right off....



3 hours of scraping, wire wheeling & degreasing later it was ready to paint.



That's so much better now.....



Got a jump on re-assembly. Can't do much without T-bolts which I'll have in the morning.



Everything is painted. I hope to finish the frontend up tomorrow.

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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
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Pinto5.0

Quote from: Srt on June 25, 2012, 03:10:07 AMbut that's the difference between good & good enough.

Thanks for noticing where my OCD takes me LOL ;D   I spent 4 hours on the underside of that fender.

Unfortunitely the weekend flew by & I didn't get as much done as I wanted but at least one side is complete. It's hard to work on the car when the sun's shining & the kids keep bugging me to go swim or ride bikes.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Srt


I spent the day cleaning the underside of the fender for paint. It's a shame this will all be hidden from view. Damn, it sure turned out nice.....





but that's the difference between good & good enough.
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Pinto5.0

The end of this strut rod was surprisingly eaten away for a low mileage car even though it did see a few Ohio winters early in its life. I can bend it with my hands because it's so rusted.



I spent the day cleaning the underside of the fender for paint. It's a shame this will all be hidden from view. Damn, it sure turned out nice.....



'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Runabout75 on June 23, 2012, 04:14:38 PM
Any interest in selling a couple of the wheel caps from your parts car? I'm looking for 2 just like that.

Those caps are junk. They are split up the sides like they were hit with a sledge. I had to bend the tangs in the back to keep them from falling off.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Runabout75

Any interest in selling a couple of the wheel caps from your parts car? I'm looking for 2 just like that.
Runabout75

Pinto5.0

Made everything look pretty before assembly.





That's one side mostly complete. Still have to pull & paint the sway bar & install the rack. Strut rods were almost rusted in two so Fred is sending me some beauties from Arizona. Considering there is virtually no rust on this car I can't believe the condition of the strut rods. One was ready to snap & was thinner than a pencil. I will check every Pinto I own from now on.





Finally got to bolt one of her new wheels on to get a pic.



Now for the other side......
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Runabout75 on June 22, 2012, 08:08:40 PM
That interior is amazing for a 30 year old car.

I honestly wouldn't have bought this car if it wasn't for that interior. I really didn't want another hatch but between the 20K mile engine & the near spotless interior I just had to have it. I have the mint black sport steering wheel which will go back on it once the restoration is complete. I put the chrome one on there temporarily because I didnt have a car cover yet & didn't want it baking in the hot sun. I got a great deal on an Evolution cover to save her since I can't spare a garage space just yet.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Runabout75

That interior is amazing for a 30 year old car.
Runabout75

Pinto5.0

This is going to be my sons 1st car & I have no idea if he will pick up my mechanical skills or just become a parts swapper. I am keeping the car "PARTS STORE FREINDLY" for his sake. The few exceptions are the 2" drop spindles (which should never wear out) & take stock Pinto calipers & the 5 lug rotors which can be replaced by stock 4 lug in the event he cant locate a 5 lug rotor quickly & needs to get the car mobile. Stock axles were drilled to 5 lug out back along with 2 sets of stock drums to give him a spare set. I may buy a 2nd pair of 9" 5 lug rotors for him down the road as well.

Everything else is stock Pinto like calipers, brake pads, clutch cable, brake hoses, suspension bushings, ball joints, wheel bearings, etc. The flywheel & clutch are stock Turbo Coupe & the bellcrank & clutch fork are stock Mustang.

Getting a 37 year old (2017 he turns 16) classic car that he loves may be cool but keeping it rolling is another story. I've replaced EVERYTHING that unbolts with new or NOS parts including the heater core to keep him as maintenance free as possible but eventually stuff will wear out.

Trying to anticipate future needs has driven me crazy. I went so far as to pick up a spare MSD 6A box & a 2nd MSD distributor just in case one fails. I think it's my OCD that causes me to overthink everything but I sure wish I had a father who would have done this for me.......
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Ricpinto on June 21, 2012, 04:59:57 AM
Greensales shows they have two of the UCA's. Going by the Ford parts book they should be complete with bushings & ball joint. And marked with 'pink paint'
My ? is if the bushings are installed how do you install the cross shaft.

I think you would destroy the bushings pressing them out then back in with the cross shafts.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

289Wagon

 Greensales shows they have two of the UCA's. Going by the Ford parts book they should be complete with bushings & ball joint. And marked with 'pink paint'
My ? is if the bushings are installed how do you install the cross shaft.
Still living the dream...In a points & condenser world.

Pinto5.0

I wondered why I hadn't seen any posts of it running yet. I've seen a couple of those draw thru's pop up on craigslist lately but they all seem to be missing parts. At least that one's complete & only needs an oil return line.

I just spent $60 at Summit on more chassis paint, header, engine & caliper paint plus some cast iron paint to do the intake & bellhousing. I have 4 days off & I plan to kick a$$ on this sucker.

If nothing gets in my way I'm hoping to assemble this side of the car, clean & paint the underside of the fender & get it back on & then do the drivers side to match. I think that's a reasonable goal to shoot for with about 30 hours of spare time to utilize.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

bbobcat75

what a project!! its looking great!!!! still havent got that terrible turbo set up on my wagon yet. just got a 85 turbo block and head for it, so i hope to have in soon

take care



1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Pinto5.0

I finally got the fence up around my pool to get zoning off my back & had 5 hours today before work to FINALLY get on this damn frontend. I swear EVERY time I touch this car 10 things jump onto my TO-DO list as priority 1 jobs.....

I sawzalled the LCA bolt to get it apart & got to work with wire wheels & scrapers after I took the fender off so I could rid myself of the layers of undercoating that saved this car. Her winter days are over forever.

Wow! It cleaned up nice  8) 





3 hours later, some laquer thinner then Prep-sol to remove residue followed by 2 coats of gloss black chassis enamel & she looks better than new.



Now I need to blast the UCA's, paint them, install the new bushings & ball joint & assemble this side of the car. The UCA's, springs, strut rods & sway bar are the only parts I'm re-using. Everything else is either new Moog, Energy Suspension or NOS Ford up front.

I'm still keeping an eye out for NOS UCA's that are affordable but haven't had any luck in 3 years. I don't want tubular or aftermarket repops here. I'll only settle for NOS or recycle the 80K mile stockers.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

I dug into my frontend finally.



I can't get the lower control arm bolt out though. I have new bolts but hate to cut them incase I need them for the other car. I got the rack cleaned & painted as well as the NOS control arms. New Moog inner & outer tie rods as well as boots & this things as good as new.







Urethane rack mounts & dust boots as well as strut rod bushings will go on but I'm leaving the control arms rubber for longevity. I've had urethane deteriorate too quickly in daily drivers so Im only putting urethane in the easy to change locations.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

r4pinto

Wow that's awesome. Good thing we got people like Fred & Pintony that we can get parts from. I got my car from Hilliard & it shows that it spent a big part of its life in Ohio. Not a pretty site.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pinto5.0

I got real lucky on this car. It had a dealer decal on the stock bumper & I think it said Waikem Ford. It was garaged most of its 83K miles & when I bought it the expired plates from 1996 were still on it.

The only rust is a few pinholes around the gas filler, small holes in the front footwells as well as behind the front seats & bubbles along the bottoms of both doors.

I have clean floorpans & the gas filler area & Pintony brought me some sweet doors from Fred Morgan so this car will be nearly flawless when I get through. The $1000 purchase price was a steal but I'm easily gonna drop another 4K whipping her into shape but she's worth saving.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

r4pinto

Missed out on a lot of updates on the car I see. The work you've done looks really good so far. Must be nice to have an Ohio car that isn't a rust bucket. Needless to say I'm jeaulous lol. Can't wait to see what you do next to Callisto.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pinto5.0

I finally got to work on Callisto after too many delays to count.

I picked up a 2300 in another deal & was going to toss it in to get her on the road but found a wiped cam lobe on #4 then dropped the pan only to find a couple pieces of metal in the bottom of it. I dont recognize them but I'm not gonna waste new gaskets on an iffy engine. Looks like I'll just change the rear main in the other engine & get it ready to drop in. I know it runs great & only has 20K on the rebuild anyhow.

I pulled the rack today before heading to work. I wanted to install the poly rack bushings as well as the inner/outer tie rods & rack boots before I put the engine in. Guess that's on the list for this weekend. I want to clean & paint everything I missed when I did the engine compartment. I hope I can get this running by mid July. I miss her......
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

I am going to be busy in the spring replacing a ton of parts. Between Ebay & Autozone I rounded up Moog upper & lower ball joints, tie rod ends, rack boots & front & rear leaf spring bushings. Energy Suspension upper & lower control arm, rack, sway bar & radius rod bushings. Bought new motor & transmission mounts, 5 lug rotors, wheel bearings, master cylinder, calipers, wheel cylinders, rear drums, F&R brake pads plus all hoses & belts. For the engine I picked up an Esslinger hydraulic .494 hi vacuum cam & Manley rockers plus a complete gasket set & an aluminum radiator. I figure I may as well do it right.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Winter has me searching for parts while the car sits. It's too cold & I'm too old to work outdoors anymore & the garage is full. I'll wait for spring to start wrenching but I found the louvers for my sons car. Interpart #2852 NOS in the box for $400 which may or may not be a bargain. I didn't care since I've seen used ones top $300 on Ebay. Can't verify the part number but they appear to fit close enough so they must be correct. I took a hell of a gamble at that price but how many NOS ones will ever pop up? If they ever repop them I figure they will run about $350 a set anyway.





All parts were included but there is a series of holes running up them with no explanation of why. I cant figure out why the holes are present but I found the same thing on pics of other Interpart louvers so I guess its something they just did.



Also got a set of Centerline Champ 500 wheels (14x6 front & 15x7 rear) for $160 in nearly flawless shape. I sold the Mr.Roadster knock offs that came with them for $150 & bought the correct Centerline spinners for $50. That leaves me a total of $120 invested in the wheels which included shipping.  They are Chevy bolt pattern & I am converting the car to 5 bolt Ford pattern on the car so I'll run wheel adapters. For what I have in the wheels I can't pass up the opportunity to run them. These always were my favorite wheels.

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Finally remembered to download my pics. Here's a before & after shot of the engine bay. A lot of scrubbing followed by Summit brand gloss chassis black & it's nearly ready for the engine.



'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Got the engine out finally & took the oil pan off to check for a hole. It's perfect which means it's the rear main dripping. CRAP!! I hate changing main seals but since the engine is out I better do it. Tons of wire wheeling, Purple Power cleaner & scrubbing & the engine compartment is ready to paint. No rot to deal with so just clean & paint & get it ready for the engine.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Spent 6 hours taking out the driveshaft, trans & stripping the motor so I can pull it. I'm glad I decided to do this now. The more I look under Callisto the more I notice how clean this car is for Ohio. I plan to do a lot of wire wheeling, stripping & painting before putting the engine back in. I think the oil pan has a small hole or the gasket is leaking which is why I figured I'd pull it. 15 years sitting in a garage caused a little gasket & seal leakage so this is way overdue anyhow.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Quote from: dga57 on September 20, 2010, 12:40:23 AMAnd the stupid thing is I keep looking at others!  It's a sickness.

Dwayne :smile:

If I had the room I'd have 2 more that I've had my eye on. You should see the parts I have stacked in my garages. If I sold off all the parts I collected for all the projects over the years I could pay cash for a new GT500. Some day I hope I will get better but I doubt it.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Bigtimmay

Yall wanna trade im 22 and ive owned 18 so far i still own 6 of those right now lol. BY the time im 40 ill prolly have owned 200-300 at the rate im goin! LOL

But what can i say i love cars.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

dga57

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on September 20, 2010, 12:31:27 AM

I'm 44 & I'm over a hundred. I have 6 cars, 4 buggies & 2 trucks now. I never know when to quit.

Kind of the same here... I have seven vehicles at the moment: the truck, an SUV, a convertible, three Lincolns (a Mark VIII, a Mark V, and a Continental), and of course, my Pinto.  And the stupid thing is I keep looking at others!  It's a sickness.

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: dga57 on September 19, 2010, 07:47:33 PMToday is her 70th birthday and that Lincoln is her 7th car ever!  I'm 53 and on my 47th!!! :rolleye:

Dwayne :smile:

I'm 44 & I'm over a hundred. I have 6 cars, 4 buggies & 2 trucks now. I never know when to quit.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze