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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Here is my '80 hatch I call Callisto

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dga57

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on September 19, 2010, 12:18:55 PM
I wish I had kept my dads S10 after he died. I lowered it & tricked it out with the intention of keeping it till I got an offer I couldn't refuse. I wish I could get a do-over on that one. Hang on to it or you may regret it.

I really don't think I have any big sentimental attachment to the truck, but on the other hand, I've owned it longer than any other vehicle I've ever had so...  maybe.  Dad bought the truck new the same year I got married and moved out.  He drove it back and forth to work for about four years, then retired.  Once he retired, it was seldom driven (which accounts for the low mileage) except when he needed to haul something.  There are annual state inspection documents in the glove compartment showing sometimes less than 100 miles driven between inspections!  I really associate him much more closely with the string of Lincoln Town Cars he drove from the mid-seventies until his death in 2004.  My mom held onto his last one (a '99) for several years after he died, but ultimately replaced it with a 2008 model.  We kept it almost in the family, though... my son's godmother bought it and I have first dibs on it whenever she decides to get rid of it.  Knowing her, I'll be retired by the time that happens!  Today is her 70th birthday and that Lincoln is her 7th car ever!  I'm 53 and on my 47th!!! :rolleye:

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pinto5.0

I wish I had kept my dads S10 after he died. I lowered it & tricked it out with the intention of keeping it till I got an offer I couldn't refuse. I wish I could get a do-over on that one. Hang on to it or you may regret it.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dga57

I put a red stripe like that on my Dad's brand new solid white '83 Ford F-150 4x4.  Really dressed it up.  A lot has changed since then... Dad has been gone 6 1/2 years now, and I own the truck.  Has less than 70K original miles on it but the color scheme has been changed by doing a Victoria tu-tone in regatta blue and white, and reupholstering and dying the interior blue.  That stripe looks pretty neat on a Pinto too!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: blupinto on September 18, 2010, 11:21:58 PMI too like those funky stripes. Callisto is a beauty!

Thanks blupinto.

The pinstripe up high is nice but the lower bundle is a couple wide ones on the outer with several thin ones between them. If you stare at them long enough you start to feel like you are trippin' out. They connect those god awful penguin flippers on the bumpers.

I wanna keep the black/gold theme & once I see what Map351 has in mind for the rear bumper cover I can decide on the details. If I just hang the early sheetmetal & thin bumpers I'll paint it gold with black stripes & if I go with Map's front/rear covers I'll paint it black with gold stripes. My trunk car will get the thin bumpers & be painted black & I dont want them to be twins......allthough mine may end up 2 tone.

Either color combo will probably get a similar stripe to this one. I kinda like it.



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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

blupinto

Quote from: dga57 on September 12, 2010, 09:29:04 PM
I like the stripes, but then I'm a little funky myself! :lol:

Dwayne :smile:


Dwayne you are so right... you ARE funky! lol.  ;D

I too like those funky stripes. Callisto is a beauty!
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pinto5.0

I'd love to go for a spin in one of the turbo cars just to get a feel for it. I'll probably end up installing one in my sons at some point.

For me, it's all about the V8. I love the rumble of a V8 Pinto so much that I spent way too much to build one. For some reason when that tiny Pinto belts out a V8 song pulling into a parking lot, all eyes are on it.

Trust me, when I saw the buy it now for that head on Ebay I couldn't type fast enough.
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'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Bigtimmay

Well once i get my Bobcat drivable ill tell ya if a Efi turbo car would be a very practicle idea of a first car. lol  Its getting closer everyday!

By the way the 400 you paid for that head was a steal big time the cam and solid lifters are worth that. LOL
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Bigtimmay on September 18, 2010, 12:39:10 PM
That circle track heads valves shouldnt hit the pistons (if they do im sure you could get a cometic gasket to clear it up) but your right about not wanting to run a .518 cam on the street it would prolly lose alot if not almost all of its street ability.

I got that head for $400 from the machine shop that did the work since the owner never paid his bill. The buggy engine was going to need a high revving, high flow head for my style of climbing. It is perfect for that but I thought I could toss it on Callisto for a while & have some fun. I'll stick with the turbo head & save it for a 2.5 or 2.7 maybe.

Quote from: Bigtimmay on September 18, 2010, 12:39:10 PM
Too bad your pinto didnt have the Efi turbo 2.3 in it if it did i doubt you would be removing the turbo.  ;D

I think someone with the skills could have straightened out the carb/turbo. It ran pretty well but I really had no clue where to begin. It would have been useless in my buggy anyway. I've got 6 years to get Callisto ready for my son which will fly by I'm sure. For a first(summer car) I think the EFI Turbo would get him hurt. A good running, reliable 2300 will serve him better......FOR NOW !! :lol: 

If he proves his skills behind the wheel ?? EFI Turbo.... :fastcar:
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Bigtimmay

That circle track heads valves shouldnt hit the pistons (if they do im sure you could get a cometic gasket to clear it up) but your right about not wanting to run a .518 cam on the street it would prolly lose alot if not almost all of its street ability.

Too bad your pinto didnt have the Efi turbo 2.3 in it if it did i doubt you would be removing the turbo.  ;D
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

Pinto5.0

I called Esslinger about my clearance issues. The tech guy says it should fit & thinks I had the timing off. He may be right & I may check it again but I'm thinking of tossing a .468 lift cam in the turbo head instead.

The oval ports on the turbo head are a near perfect match for the Offy intake I have as opposed to the D-ports on the shaved head. I'm also thinking the small chambers are going to put me close to 11 to 1 compression & I can't find anyone who has run a .518 cam in a 2500 lb. street Pinto before. It would be running around town below its 4000 rpm & up power band MOST of the time & I suspect getting the car rolling from a dead stop will be rough with the 2.77 rear gears.

Originally this 2.3 was destined for my 1000 lb. dunebuggy where I was going to run propane for the compression & it would be revving above 5000 rpm most of the time.

I loosely bolted the Offy intake (I'm going to run an adapter & a Holley 350 2 barrel) & Ranger header in place to check all my clearances & it looks good. I'm thinking of pulling the engine & painting it & the engine compartment so I dont have to do it later. Just the bellhousing & motor mount bolts left anyhow.





'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

How does that saying go about the best laid plans?? I was planning to put my new head on Callisto to wake her up a bit.





It's got beautiful heart shaped chambers, D ports & has been shaved about .200. It also has oversize stainless valves, Esslinger .518 lift cam, Esslinger springs, retainers, lash caps, followers & solid lifters. It's had some mild porting done as well. Only one problem.....the valves hit the pistons big time.  :mad: I guess I'll have to build a stroker now just to use the head. Oh well.....
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

I decided to tear into Callisto before winter & remove the poor performing turbo. I've had it with the bogging & hard starting.



I decided to clean & paint the battery tray since it's pretty decent & the inner fender was in great shape for an Ohio car.



Some Summit brand chassis black should protect it till I'm ready to dig into a full resto on the car.

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dga57

I like the stripes, but then I'm a little funky myself! :lol:

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pinto5.0

I forgot to post a side view of Callisto incase anybody is interested in the funky factory stripes that compliment the gold interior. They appear to be original to the car.

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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

I put the link in the other post but its hard to see. His are just cut out of flat steel. Its as close as I have seen to my 26 year old idea. Here is the link again.
http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/makin-progress/472489-79-ford-pinto-project.html
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

r4pinto

That's the exact one. He actually has a whole post on his car. If you search for "mr pinto" you should be able to find it. While they do look similar I found out they weren't actually from a firebird. Hard to tell though from the pics.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pinto5.0

Quote from: r4pinto on September 11, 2010, 06:13:43 PM
I think someone has done it before... I know I have seen it somewhere, but can't think if it was on here or somewhere else.

Are you maybe thinking of this car? I could swear I saw a red Pro-Street Pinto that had horizontal tail lights in a magazine but I dont know if they were Firebird.


This is the build by Mr. Pinto that I found on another forum. This build is the reason I knew you could swap an older frontend on an '80.
http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/makin-progress/472489-79-ford-pinto-project.html
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

r4pinto

I think someone has done it before... I know I have seen it somewhere, but can't think if it was on here or somewhere else.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pinto5.0

Here is something I wanted to do 26 years ago to my first Pinto. '68 Firebird tail lights. I have been saving these just for that purpose & this is the car they will end up in. I have seen a sequential LED kit for these & down the road Ill probably upgrade.



It's amazing how well these fit in the back & I can't believe it's never been done before. This should be a very simple cut & weld & I'll probably spend 4X more time on bodywork versus installation.
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Here she is, stripped to the basics.


I was going to run glass doors that weigh 22 lbs. but I decided to experiment on one of the rusty doors. I gutted & cut everything out that I could including the impact brace & the result is a steel door that weighs 36 lbs. with the latch.

The weight is accurate since I used my Ebay scale that is accurate within 8 oz. I weighed the stock passenger door & it came in at 77 lbs. I am going to weld tabs to the frame & dzus on some Lexan windows & Ill run aluminum door panels. This should keep each door under 40 lbs. Ill use the outside key lock to open the door from outside & the inside lock button instead of the pull latch to get out. This keeps it simple & I dont want electric solenoids.
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
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popbumper

Sweet, keep us posted on your progress.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Pinto5.0

Quote from: popbumper on September 08, 2010, 10:46:04 PM
Best wishes with your effort. It's an unfortunate fact that the area you show there is quite often compromised with damage from moisture, since it is nnot only the first avenue for water to travel after exiting the drains, but it also tends to stay wet since there is no good ventilation.


Again, hope you can work through it.


Chris

Im not running a heater or the stock vent in those locations & it looks like I can just cut all that out & either weld in metal or rivet sheet aluminun to box it all in. I was thinking of recessing the whole firewall but I dont want to deal with moving the brakes & steering out of the way. If I was going to restore this car Id probably start with another body but since my son wants my other Pinto Im just going to chop & lighten this one till all the rust is gone & stuff my 302 in it.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

popbumper

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on September 08, 2010, 10:09:40 PM
Now that my kids are back in school it's time to start working on the car. I cleaned the garage enough to get the parts car in & start stripping it down. I found a lot more rust than I bargained for but since its going to be a stripped down lightweight Ill just cut the rust out & replace it with aluminum where possible.


The crunched quarter will take the most work to replace.


Best wishes with your effort. It's an unfortunate fact that the area you show there is quite often compromised with damage from moisture, since it is nnot only the first avenue for water to travel after exiting the drains, but it also tends to stay wet since there is no good ventilation.


Again, hope you can work through it.


Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Pinto5.0

Now that my kids are back in school it's time to start working on the car. I cleaned the garage enough to get the parts car in & start stripping it down. I found a lot more rust than I bargained for but since its going to be a stripped down lightweight Ill just cut the rust out & replace it with aluminum where possible.


The crunched quarter will take the most work to replace.
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

Pinto5.0

I haven't had anything to report lately. I'm still picking up a part here & there. I think I've made a decision that will make some people happy.

My 9 year old son is in love with Callisto & wants it for his first car. He is going to need a fuel miser so if I V8 her he won't be able to afford gas in it. I've also waited over 25 years for a V8 Pinto & I'm not going to want to give her up. I think I'll make Callisto into a cool car for him & I'm going to go nuts on the parts car for myself.  8)

I think I want to back half it & fill it with a rollcage. I have my own bender for my buggy frames & 300 feet of .095 wall in the garage. Most of the rust in the quarters will need cut out to stretch them anyway so I'll hang skins. I'm also thinking glass fenders, hood, bumpers & maybe doors too with plastic or Kirkey seats (I have a set of each) as well as a fuel cell & 15x3 front wheels already. I will use leaf springs out back to keep it streetable & I will gut everything I can to shave weight. Callisto was just too nice to gut out.

Now I need a name for the parts car..... :evil:  Maybe rattle trap.... :lol:
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Quote from: r4pinto on July 24, 2010, 09:51:51 PM
Ewwww... all of a sudden my rust bucket is sounding good.

I couldnt figure out what everyone was upset about since Im used to looking at the car & I know the shape its in. The pics make it look good.

I paid about 200 more than it was worth to get it but it was close to my house. It's got a good 8" under it & I needed the driveshaft. The V6 auto is still running if anyone needs it cheap. I might be selling the 8" for a good offer. I have another one plus a spare housing so it's a spare.

If it was salvagable Id use it but the deal breaker is the roof. Theres a good 10+ hours of dolly & blocking to make it straight for black. At 50 bucks an hour thats over 500 bucks just to get the roof ready for paint. For a race car you could wham bam it & live with it but Im looking for more.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on July 24, 2010, 09:51:51 PM
Ewwww... all of a sudden my rust bucket is sounding good.

You'd better look out, Matt... he might decide to take you up on that offer to trade! :lol:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Ewwww... all of a sudden my rust bucket is sounding good.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pinto5.0

Quote from: dga57 on July 24, 2010, 08:11:43 PM
It looks pretty decent for a parts car!  We should all be so fortunate.

Dwayne :smile:

Both quarters are swiss cheese as are the rockers & both doors plus the driver side quarter is hit enough to buckle the metal behind it. The roof looks like kids jumped on it & it was popped back up & the inner fenders have several small holes as well. I could have Fred ship me a CLEAN shell for much less than fixing this one.

Im only SEMI trunking it. I want to keep the fold down seat & Im not going to install the package tray either. I want the hatchback interior with a window & trunk in place of the hatch.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze