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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dirt track demon

She did turn out really sharp. I was hoping one of your pictures would show the purple flakes, and one did. That turned out really cool. 

  As far as the "monster fur". you could try contacting some costume design places, and maybe get some leads on where to find what you are after. Good luck.
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

sagesunrise

I am very happy with Extreme Auto's work. Hope to show her to you soon, Farmboy. Check out my Chevy-lover co-worker in the 3rd pic admiring the pinto!! He gave me crap all the way since Jan when I first put her in the shop. Then when he saw her, he loved her!
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

Farmboy

  Too Cool, I can hardly wait to see her in person. She turned out so nice and shiney :o
  I do what the voices in my Pinto tell me to do




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71 Runabout (parts car)

sagesunrise

Awww, the new Martha is just great!! Sittin' pretty on the Strait of Juan De Fuca.
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

sagesunrise

.....and after:
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

sagesunrise

OK, here she was before the shop started on her:
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

Glassman

Nice Pinto.
Amazing story too.  Good to see it has a happy ending.

sagesunrise

I picked up Martha Splatterhead yesterday and here she is. I had the windows tinted. Water pump was leaking (it dried up) due to the engine sitting for 4 years, but other than that she is running and looking mighty fine. And, might I add, is also looking very SHINEY!
:D



Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

sagesunrise

I finally was able to upload some wreck day pics to my original post. It's funny, car doesn't look too bad really, but the entire trunk floor is folded, and the floorboards torn open. I think the leaf springs and hitch absorbed quite a bit of the energy. I didn't have my foot on the brake and the force knocked me about 100 ft forward. No glass broke. She really held up nice. So I pick up my new Martha Splatterhead on 6/15, next Wednesday, and have several appts to take her to: Muffler (having a Flowmaster put on-she has a Headman Header already) and alignment/shocks plus a once over to make sure running gear is A-OK. Then taking her to Olympia to get the windows tinted. I ordered some black shag carpet for the floor and headliner (thought the carpet-covered headliner would offer better sound system acoustics). I am ok with the bucket seats now but still going to put some splashguards behind all 4 wheels. I am still looking for some black monster fur (like the cookie monster) with purple tips or purple with black tips. I had the rear seat removed (seat belts still present, there will be groovy pillows and such in the back-like a lounge, I guess) and sheet metal added to the hole between the rear seat and the trunk, which eventually will have a grated-over bass speaker box in the trunk. I will be putting monster fur in the rear seat area, under the rear window and up the sides of the rear seat area, dash cover and maybe the door panels. I am also looking for some dark purple leopard longhaired fake fur material to make custom seat covers (also thought about putting this over the front door panels-not sure yet). Thinking I will use Velcro to attach the monster fur and leopard fur because my dog, Jake, will be my car alarm and if he tears it or stinks it up, I can remove it for washing or to put a new piece on. Pretty excited about the interior but it is hard to find the custom fabric I am looking for. Right now she is stripped down to the sheet metal, but it is all cleaned up and painted flat black, so a good starting point. I should have pics of the new ride soon. I am thinking of taking her to some shows-she really looks nice. I had the work done at Extreme Auto in Shelton WA. What a group of great fellers and they provided me with the BEST OF CUSTOMER SERVICE!! The car turned out better than I had planned, partly because they made some recommendations to me that made a lot of sense. I will post some photos in a week or two.
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

Farmboy

  Wow, alot of work done, send me a PM and I'll meet you somewhere.
  I do what the voices in my Pinto tell me to do




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71 Runabout (parts car)

sagesunrise

Visited the shop again today to see my new car all painted and looking GORGEOUS!!! It is running and is now a '71 pinto with '73 guts. They still have to put in the glass and front bumper and some things like side mirrors, etc. Little stuff. Car looks GREAT!! I did not have the chrome accessories put back on (around windows, wheel wells, etc). The only chrome on the car will be the bumpers, taillights, rims, and pinto emblems. It will be looking very dark once I get it tinted. The color turned out perfect! I will eventually have the rear-end lifted a bit and a tow package put on. I feel a bit safer having a nice hitch sticking out the back of the car; which my former car had. Sorry that I have not posted any photos. I do not have a digital camera but have asked one of the owners of the shop to snap some photos for me so that I can post them. I do have hard copies of the car the day of the wreck (just after being hit) and I will have my sis put them in electronic format for me to post. The car really looks sharp. The interior is non-existent for the time being and will be custom finished later. Farmboy, you just might see me in my pinter up at the Enumclaw auction.
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

sagesunrise

I visited the body shop again today to pick a paint color.The color had a bit much violet in it, so they are going to try a mix of about 50% of the violet that I saw today.The color is going to be black with the flakes of violet in it so it shows when the sun hits, but I don't want the violet to take over.They had the '71 stripped down and are ready to do the "strip painting"? Is that the right term? Anyway, interior is going from green to black (it was black on black w/my '73). You can see the cardboard between the rear seat and trunk. This will be replaced with sheet metal and the rear seat is not being reinstalled. They had the rear end installed (it is off a Mustang II), and boy just sitting there with the primer it was looking real sweet. The wiring harness is near mint in the '71, which is very cool.I am very happy with the shop that I am working with.What great dudes!And excellent customer service!!Well, more later.
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

TIGGER

Glad to hear you found a body.  Please post some pictures when you get a chance ;D
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

sagesunrise

Thanks pairapintos.  I am sorry I did not get back to you sooner.  Have not visited the site in a while.  Found a body - It's a 71 trunk model and is almost perfect.  I visited the shop today and they were tearing parts off all of my pintos and getting ready to build mine.  They say they'll have it finished by early summer and I can't wait!!  Thanks to all of you who have been keeping your eyes out for me.
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

Scott Hamilton

I know where there used to be a 71, 2 or 3 coupe in Clovis, N.M. a few years ago, but it would take me some time to see if it's still there and find out who to contact. I remember it looking like it had been there for quite a while. It's pretty dry there, it might not be too bad. I remember thinking it was a 70 1/2 at the time. Would you like me to see what I can find out about that one?
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

sagesunrise

Well I still am not having much luck finding exactly what I need, but I have many sets of eyeballs looking for me.  One of my co-workers knows of a 1972 (he believes) wagon that has red interior, black exterior for sale in Olympia.  He thought the guy was asking $500 and I believe it runs and looks wonderful.  If anyone is interested, email me and I will get you in touch with the right person.  Sorry, I'm not into wagons.
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

Scott Hamilton

Sedans were hard to find 10 years ago, let alone now. That's why I jumped on that '74 when I found it.

Even if you had fixed Martha, she wouldn't have been the same.  :'(
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

dick1172762

Don't know about a 71/73, but I put a 74 front end on my 80 racer and it fit as well as stock. Only way you can tell its an 80, is by the dash and tail lites..
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

sagesunrise

I checked out that add for the 1980 Pinto in Olympia, Farmboy, but I have a 73 and really want to stick to that year.  I may have to go with a 71 or 72 rear frame if I have to, but want to stick with the older models-not as many of them out there, I know, but that's why I want to stick with them, I guess.  I sure appreciate all of you folks keeping your eyes and ears out for me.  Even if it is far away, I don't mind paying to have it shipped to WA, as long as from the doors back is nearly or all rust free and no more than lightly damaged.  The body and frame is all that I need.
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

sagesunrise

It does seem awful hard to get away from the rust.  Although I do have four parts cars, but all hatchbacks.  I need a trunk model.  2 of the hatchbacks are rust free, but the parts I need are the rear body and frame. :-\
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

CHEAPRACER

When I was a teenager, Dodge came out with the 7 year 70k mile rust protection on their trucks and didn't understand why, now I know. Man I feel sorry for you guys looking for a rust free vehicle in your part of the woods. I guess thats the price you've got to pay when you look out that living room window at all the pretty green, clean air & cheap land. .
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

Farmboy

  check out the one for sale in the classified section, he's in Olympia, Wa. The runabout looks in good shape to me, E mail him and he'll shoot you some pic's
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  I do what the voices in my Pinto tell me to do




74 Pinto Wagon
71 Runabout (parts car)

sagesunrise

So they have hooked up the rear end to their rack and pulled out the smashed part.  This revealed a lot of unforeseen damage to the floor pan in the back seat as well as other issues.  I am now looking for a good body and have sent a couple of our co-members some emails.  I am hoping to find a good body for cheap that I can use for my project.  I found a NICE pinto in Kansas, but I do not want to use that one cause it is in such nice shape.  In case anyone is interested, go to collectorcartraderonline.com and search for the 1973 pinto. 

I called about this pinto above last night and he still has it.  His name is Ron and he had a couple of calls on it but states he is having a hard time selling it in his area.  It needs carb work and turns over, but won't start he says.  Only one small rip in one of the seats and even still has the original seat covers.

More to come.
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

BlueGoldPinto

My car does the same thing! Driving it home I had to take off my shoe to keep the carpet from getting wet!!! I hae to clean out my cowl, and theres probably some rust issues I need to take care off, but if it starts to drip on your passenger side you might check your heater cowl, it could need replacing as well......
My theory on the Gas Tank of the Ford Pinto:
If it ain't fixed, don't break it!! :)

sagesunrise

Cool, thanks for the tips, fellers!
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

Farmboy

  My left foot allso used to get wet, swapped the left front quaterpanel and found a small rusthole, mixed up some JB weld, ground down the rusted area, put a dab of JB, no more wet foot or carpet ;D
  I do what the voices in my Pinto tell me to do




74 Pinto Wagon
71 Runabout (parts car)

dick1172762

The drains for the cowl are stoped up, and the water has noware to go but inside the car. Locate the drains and blow them out. Should fix your leak.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

sagesunrise

My Pinto went to the shop yesterday along with her parts car.  I have to visit them today to discuss rust issues.  The technician said they can fix it but it might be easier to swap chassis and rebuild a different car.  This won't be the same, but I will discuss it.  The only place I think exists a rust issue is where the door hinges are and under the dash/firewall area.  When I'd drive it, I remember my left foot getting dripped on when it rained.  You couldn't see any rust, but I am sure it is there.  Other than that the car is pretty solid.  Does anyone have any ideas about this?  I think I'd rather have them fix the rust areas and keep my chassis.  The car has been garaged since the accident in 2001.  And my parts cars have all been sitting in the rain for years.  I'll continue the story but probably should have posted it in the project section...oh well.... :-\
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

Farmboy

Breaker, Breaker, this heres the Bandit, anybody got a copy ;D
  I do what the voices in my Pinto tell me to do




74 Pinto Wagon
71 Runabout (parts car)

Poison Pinto

A thread about racing and chickens in WA....

Why do visions of Burt Reynolds keep flashing in my head?
I left my Pinto in front of my house last night. This morning there were two more left with it.