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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

73 Wagon Project - Brownie

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dave1987

So I went out to work on Brownie today. I got the rear right taillight replaced with the non-damaged one I got from the junk yard, looks much better now!

While I was out, I took a meter to the wiring to figure out the backup lamp issue. While I still haven't tracked down the backup lamp issue, I did find a melted wire in the dash wire harness. It's red with a green tracer. It goes to the fuse for the dome light, washer fluid pump, radio and backup-lamp fuse. I suppose it could be the issue though, I won't know if it's the issue until I can replace the wire and reinstall the harness. Let's hope!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Went out to JJ a couple days ago and got the vibration dampener for the transmission off the 73' wagon in their yard. I also pulled the rear license plate lamp to have as a spare and the brackets that hold the rear bumper to the car (Brownie's are bent and the bumper sits higher on the passenger side). Not much good on that car, might as well get what I can use.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Quote from: dave1987 on September 30, 2010, 12:28:35 PM
I think we may have a new Pinto Lover in the family! :D :D :D

I knew once you got her behind the wheel, she'd come around!!!  Congratulations!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

YAY!!! That means chances are you're keeping Brownie, right?!?  :D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

Well, I took it to the alignment shop yesterday and had to walk a mile to my parents house (not far at all) to get the 78' so I could go pay bills. Before returning home, I stopped by the shop and picked up the keys before they closed, and later that night my wife went with me to go pick up Brownie!

Well, last night was the first time she has EVER driven a Pinto! :D The first words out of her mouth when getting in were "The steering wheel is huge!" lol. She also now realizes how smoothly rack and pinion steering really is (she swore it had power steering until I told her), and she really likes how smooth the ride is! I think we may have a new Pinto Lover in the family! :D :D :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Way to go, Dave!  You'll have your better half tooling around town in that Pinto before you know it!  Keep up the good work!

Dwayne :smile:

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

Transmission installed. Friend helped me get it into place then had to leave, so I had to do all of the tightening and adjustments myself, that is fine though, not much for two people to do once the trans is in place.

Also got the replacement distributor in place, as well as fixed the issue with the alternator light being on (broken wire).

Installed the rear driver's brake line and my brother helped me bleed the brakes.

Still no backup lights, need to trace the wiring and check for breaks in the harness.


Drove Brownie home to the apartment and she drives like a dream now! Smooth shifting, smooth idle, more acceleration. Very fun to drive now! Wednesday I will clean out the back so I have a back seat again.

So happy to have her back on the road again! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Quote from: dave1987 on September 24, 2010, 08:03:17 PM
The bell arrived today! It's the right one to! :D

Monday comes around and Brownie should be on the road again! :D

Great news, Dave!  Things are looking up!!!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

The bell arrived today! It's the right one to! :D

Monday comes around and Brownie should be on the road again! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

phils toys

that is not very nice having to wait that long and getting nowhere. but carparts.com is great.
hope this bell is correct as well. phil
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dave1987

Thanks Dwayne! We'll see if it is the correct bell once it arrives and I can compare the original with the replacement. Crossing my fingers that it isn't for a 1.6!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

As the old saying goes, "All's well that ends well!"  Hope it all works out this time!

Dwayne :smile:

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

Well about a two and a half weeks after locating that bell in Burley, I called them yesterday to find out if they had shipped it yet. Nope, they said there was a hole punched through the center of it and it was unusable and couldn't sell it to me. Okay, that's fine, would have been nice if they had let me know a week ago when they found out though!

So I went online to one of my new favorite websites, http://www.car-part.com/. I searched for what I needed and it came up at a few yards in Idaho. So I called Central Grade Auto Parts in Lewiston, they have three 1973 C4s there, and two had the bell housings. They came up in their database to fit a Pinto 71-73. They are shipping it today, should have it here by the end of the week or beginning of next. Hopefully all goes well this time!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Picked up the pump gaskets while I was downtown getting my camera. $4.80 later I've got two gaskets. :) Also picked up the pump they ordered and had shipped in for me which I will be keeping around as a spare or if someone else needs one or the gears from it. That was only $21.20. Transtar of Idaho, great place, great people, great prices! Check them out at transtar1.com.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Walt reminded me that the pump gears may be damaged from the transmission being reinstalled incorrectly. So today I pulled the front pump off for inspection. Lucky me! The gears are in great shape, no marring or scoring anywhere on the gear's torque converter mounting, no damage at all. Great news indeed! If it had been damaged, I would most likely be pulling apart the original to swap gears, but this is not the case.

I am still waiting on the bell to be shipped, they said it should be sent out in the next day or two, they are just finishing taking it apart today. Once that comes in, I'll head to Transtar first to pick up a new pump gasket and then reassemble! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Thanks Matt. I don't know if they are mad skills or just obsession over the saying "if you want something done right, do it yourself". lol Unfortunately I didn't follow that one the first time around with this transplant. :(

Becky, I'd be happy to help pull the trans, but I think you are a ways away from me! lol

Well today I had to go to two different sprint stores, one being a service center, to have my sister and my wife's phones looked at. I have been battling an ongoing issue with them since we added my sister to my account and fixing the problem has been drug on for FIVE MONTHS now. I spent six ours today between stores and over the phone "advanced tech support" and it's still not fixed. They have a network technician looking into the problem and will be contacting me in the morning with what they find.

So, while I was on the phone with tech support at my parent's house, I decided to move Brownie back into the garage and get a head start on the transmission before the replacement bell arrives. I got everything removed and disconnected in about 45 minutes, got the transmission off the motor and out of the car in about 10 minutes! It's so much easier to do when YOU are the one in control of the entire service! lol

Once it was off, I pulled the torque converter off, well, unfortunately the input shaft came with it. The reason the transmission didn't go in all the way is because the input shaft wasn't completely seated into the torque converter splines. The pump splines were just fine, but the T/C splines didn't match up quite right and the input shaft was jammed in. I held the input shaft with the torque converter hanging at the end, smacked it with a hammer and it STILL WOULD NOT COME OFF!

I ended it smacking the shaft to the left and right to rock it out of the splines. Once removed, no apparent damage has occurred. All the splines are in great shake, like nothing ever happened. I put the shaft back in the converter and it wouldn't line up. Turned it 45 degrees and it slid right in! It seems like some splines are wider than other and it only seats into place in a handful of spots. Just to play it safe though, I'm going to use the "unmolested" input shaft of the original transmission with it this time.

With the bell off the case, I mounted the torque converter onto the transmission just to see if it would seat into both sets of splines. With some rotations and a wee bit of jiggling it slid right into place, all the way in to where it should be. So, everything installs great now, no damages, and I'm now just waiting on the replacement bell to arrive. Autowrex told me it should be here tomorrow (Tuesday), so I might be finishing it up tomorrow night.

Here's some shots of the cracked bell for you all to see the damage.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Yeah, I have a transmission out here he can pull! lol  :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

You got mad skills Dave, quite impressive!
Matt Manter
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dave1987

Once I pull the transmission again and get the broken bell off it, I'll   post pictures of the bells side by side so you can all see how bad the   crack is. I plan to keep the bell around and have my uncle bud weld it   real good, then keep it around as a spare for when these things truly   are impossible to find on planet earth. :P
 
 
  1) Both transmissions side by side. The disassembled one is the original   one, the one with the bell on it is the one that Walt gave me to use.
 
  2) The trans Walt gave me to use ready for install
 
  3) Another shot of the trans Walt gave me ready to install
 
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Called the yard I'm getting the bell from on Thursday, they said it should be shipped on Friday and arrive on Monday or Tuesday, most likely Tuesday. So now it's just a waiting game....

Here are some photos I took while working on the two transmissions.

1) New cooler line vs. old cooler line. Closely shaped to the orignal, just a tad off in some places, no biggie though!

2) The replacement fitting for the one that broke during removal of the original transmission.

3) Another photo of the replacement fitting.

4) Some of the debris from the cone filter under the valve body in the original transmission. Probably why it doesn't go into drive!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Yeah, I just hope the they really will have it...in one piece.

When I was out there in January I pulled the wiper arms off a 72 for Brownie, it's a 2.0 automatic runabout. The car was complete, I just hope it's still there and they didn't just tell me they had one under assumption.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Found one about 153 miles from here. Ordered it today, $55.00 shipped. They're calling me when it ships.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Dave, next time YOU do that part. Then you'll be assured it's being done right! lol.  You'll be fine. ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

The converter did go. Ilto bothe notches just fine, he just didn't ceck that the round nub at the engine side.lined up before securing bolts. The drivers side of the trans has about a 1/4 inch gap between it and the motor
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

fast64ranchero

Bummer!  you didn't get the convertor in to the 2nd notch did you!? If not you'll need to inspect the front pump for damage,  I'll check my connections for a bellhousing for you. Hang in there, I've done everything wrong atleast one time, you'll get it..
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dga57

Dave,
So sorry to hear about your cracked bell housing.  Hope one will turn up somewhere soon. 
Glad to hear Tia is doing well though... that's the really important thing.
Take care!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

Walt is an awesome guy, picked up the transmission from him this morning and got the shift shaft swapped out without any problems. Even left me a little gift! :D Thanks Walt! :D :D

Tia is doing much better today, almost back to normal. Lab results for anything odd came out negative, he doctor and mommy and daddy are very happy about that! :D

Brownie's mobility transplant was unsuccessful today, however. :'( Upon installing the trans, I had my brother helping me out to lift it into position. I repeated over and over to him to check the gap between the trans and the motor to ensure it was flush before tightening any bolts. He said it was all good and started tightening them down, thinking "oh, the bolts will pull the transmission towards the motor just fine"! Nopers, he stretched the bell and broke/cracked it. From the driver's side center bolt the crack goes half way around the threaded hole and up the side, stopping at the top of the transmission.

I'm giving up on this car for now, I don't think I'm going to find another C4 2.0 bell anywhere locally. I'm so stressed out and upset right now.   > : (

So, anyone got a cheap C4 2.0 bell lying around? :'(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

fast64ranchero

Dave, Thursday is fine, the offer is good if you use it, if your just going to put it in storage then I'll keep it, you'll need to replace the shift shaft and install your bell housing as I swapped those out with built tranny, other then that it's a good ready to use C-4
71 Pro-Street pinto 2.3T powered
72 Treasure Valley Special 26K miles pinto
72 old V-8 parts Pinto
73 pinto, the nice one...

dga57

Dave,

Sounds like a pretty good day's work to me. 
Hope Tia will be feeling better real soon!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.