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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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TIGGER

Quote from: SVOwagon on December 09, 2004, 06:25:07 PM
I have never done this... but I would think no. Why do you ask?  I've never delt with any other harness other then the Merkur and 87-88 T/C. I'm about 90% sure you can't with these two because the 87-88 T/C has an extra senser in it, so the wires would not match up. As for the 83-86 T/C harness, I guess first you could look to see if they would physically go togeather. Then you would have to look at the pin out sheet ( on my site ) and see if all the sensers have the same pin out numbers. Then it should work.  If they DO have different numbers, I guess you could move them to get it to work. I would just use the right "sub" harness and not have to worry about it.

I asked because I know I have the complete subharness out of my 86 t-bird but I am not sure if I got the rest of the main harness I needed.  I ran out of time and had to get rid of the car sooner than I had hoped and had to rush to get the computer and wiring out before the next owner came to get the car.


I for one would like you to post some more pics of your car, primairly the wiring.  I have hesitated converting my car to fuel injection because of the wiring harness but it sounds like it will be much easier than I thought.  I will most likely do the conversion this coming summer.

Thanks for your help
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SVOwagon

Glad to hear you FINALLY got the harness out...just kidding ,man ;)   If you need or would like, I'm going to my parents for Christmas ( that is where I'm storing the wagon for winter) and could snap some pics of it. This is the only time I can do it till Easter, so ask now. ;D
SVOwagon
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80bobcat

 ;D ;D ;D found my point of confusion..once i removed the alt. harness from the starter relay..the rest of the harness fell away..I now have the engine harness with puter....whew ...the `75  bobcat was a no go for me.
Look Officer..it`s a Pinto would YOU stop short?

80bobcat

K..I`ve been avoiding this long enough..read and reread your post.. looked at and studied your pics...I think I`ve made a mountain out of this..( got everything taken apart and cleaned and sent the block & head out for checking,cleaning)...so i got myself all the way to the left side to where it re-enters the cabin and i`m not supposed to be that far. the sub harness was to end earlier than that. So  my next step is to start taking the wires apart and get this sub-harness out..I have no need to re-enter the cabin? I noticed you used the Pinto starter relay..the lower cable on the throttle..kick down linkage?   And the only wires entering the Pinto is for the puter..right?                                                                   Other stuff....Daughter doesn`t want to give up the Bobcat now..says the car grew on her..Yaa right.. she`s broke and its a guy magnet..and I was born yesterday.. ;D  Anyways found a `75 Bobcat..may go look at it this weekend...5 hrs round trip..put the turbo in the better of the 2 and she can use the other for school..but the added costs will slow me up some.
Look Officer..it`s a Pinto would YOU stop short?

SVOwagon

I have never done this... but I would think no. Why do you ask?  I've never delt with any other harness other then the Merkur and 87-88 T/C. I'm about 90% sure you can't with these two because the 87-88 T/C has an extra senser in it, so the wires would not match up. As for the 83-86 T/C harness, I guess first you could look to see if they would physically go togeather. Then you would have to look at the pin out sheet ( on my site ) and see if all the sensers have the same pin out numbers. Then it should work.  If they DO have different numbers, I guess you could move them to get it to work. I would just use the right "sub" harness and not have to worry about it.
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TIGGER

Quote from: SVOwagon on December 06, 2004, 06:53:04 PM
none...The EFI harness will be all by it self. There will be one wire that will go to your battery side of the starter solenoid and one wire that will go right to your negitive post on your battery.

Wow, that is easier than I thought ;D  One more question...  Can you mix match harnesses?  In one of your previous posts, you mentioned the sub harness that splits off from the firewall.  Can you interchange that harness between the T-bird and Merkur?
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SVOwagon

none...The EFI harness will be all by it self. There will be one wire that will go to your battery side of the starter solenoid and one wire that will go right to your negitive post on your battery.
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TIGGER

Ive been following this thread for future reference...  What wires need to splice into the original Pinto harness?
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SVOwagon

I used my Pinto alt. so I really don't know anything about the Merkur alt. set-up. You can reuse your Pinto alt. and wiring, but may have to change pullies if your not going to use the V-belt set-up.
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80bobcat

SVO..you`ve helped tremendously..thanks..your site..well i`ve been referring to it all along..great site and nice job on the car(your site has been in my fav.`s since I first entertained the idea of a swap)..anyways the harness has been stripped of the extra`s and i`m as far as where it enters on the left(drivers side is always the left side) there is a small l/blue wire off the alt. any idea what its for?..anything else you can remember will help but for now i need a rest.... ;D
Look Officer..it`s a Pinto would YOU stop short?

SVOwagon

EEC-IV...yes, this is the right computer. By the way, heres my site.

http://myweb.cableone.net/svowagon/
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SVOwagon

Ok, this may help. Go onto my site, go down to "other turbo Pintos", then click on "High Performance Pinto". Go down to the very bottom of this page and there are some really good pics of his engine bay. Looks to me like all the wires you need are the ones in the red loom. You can also click on the 4 cornered arrow thingy in the bottom right corner of the pics to super size it. You can see where the red loom goes into the firewall. This will be in the same place as the Merkur, only the Merkur will have a grommet around it. Facing the engine bay on your left side...you will need wires that go to the VAM, boost solenoid, ground wire that goes to turbo housing, MAP senser (black thing held on by 2 bolts),and  there will also be 2 plugs (one small, one big) that will not go to anything. These are the plugs for running codes for your sensers. Don't worry about them right now. You can see that the harness kind of splits into two parts from the fire wall. One goes to the things I just described, the other goes across the back of the engine bay. Follow this one and there will be a wire that goes to the battery side of your starter soleniod and one for the EGO senser (on top of the exhaust elbow). Follow it along more and there will be a plug that goes to your TPS. This is on the side of the throttle body. There will be another plug that goes to your air bypass valve (big round thing right next to the throttlebody). Following it along more and the harness will split again. There will be kind of like a "sub" harness that will have wires going to your 4 injectors; oil psi senser, coolant senser, knock senser, ACT senser (middle of intake), I think that may be it. This "sub" harness you can't see in the pic, and you may have left it on the engine when you pulled it, as it does unplug from the main harness. This is what I did.  Moving on down tha MAIN harness, we come to the EGR shut off senser. Then to the coil and on to the TFI (on the side of the distributor).
   I wish I could take detailed pics of my car for you, but it is in storage 320 miles away. As for the inside, what I wrote before is all I can really remember for now.  I hope I didn't leave anything out in the above paragraph...78pinto ??? ???
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80bobcat

ooops...I started at the gromett on the right firewall...was i to separate the harness at that point and only take the engine stuff?...that box marked EEC-IV is that the right puter? cause I see more under the dash.
Look Officer..it`s a Pinto would YOU stop short?

SVOwagon

Wires to the marker lights ??? ???   Sounds like your getting too many wires. There is a harness for the engine and one for the body. You only need the harness for the engine. Like I stated before, start at that grommet above the turbo, and work your way out to all the sensers, then inside to the computer. Anything that is not involved with this harness you do not need.
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80bobcat

update.......k got the harness to the EEC-IV out all along the right side across the front and down the left to the brake booster now from there it looks like I`m going back into the cabin after i get it out from around the booster..sound right?only cut 2 wires..to the 2 side marker lights also found a few eyelets loose but figure the`re grounds...passing thoughts as I`m working......everyone says the turbo engine is an easy drop in for the Pinto..then it dawned on me not one word about the wiring  ;D and I gotta stop manhandling this stuff..broke a couple of vacumn fittings along the way :'(..hoping to rebuild the engine over the holidays but can`t get to it till the car is out of the garage and won`t do that till the harness is out.
Look Officer..it`s a Pinto would YOU stop short?

78pinto

not a chance!.....besides SVOwagon has this covered, thank god! ;D
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losin sux

Hhhhhheeeeeeyyyyy JJJJJEEEEEEFFFFFFFFF they are talking about wiring here......your FAVORITE subject!!!!!  Jump in here and help this guy out.  You have experience doing this not ONCE but TWICE on the same car.  lol
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SVOwagon

I got my harness from a Merkur. This is what you should do. On the passenger side under the hood find where the harness goes into the fire wall. This will be right above the turbo. Follow it out to the engine and to all the sensers. Go inside and follow the harness to the computer. It will be somewhere by the kick panel. Also, there will be a bunch of grounds going to the body in this area as well. Unscrew the computer from the harness and unbolt the grounds from the body. There will be other wires to undo, but it's been awhile and can't remember everything. After it is all loose, with a screwdriver work your way around the rubber grommet (from under the hood) that is in the fire wall around the harness and pull everything to the engine bay. Look for things in the engine bay that might be bolted to the body... sensers, grounds or anything else that will have to go with the harness. I know I'm leaving things out but it's been awhile and can't really think of everything right now. One thing to always keep in mind...DO NOT cut any wires!!!
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pintoman

The computer on a merc. is hidden on top of the clove box.Or could be in the passenger kick panel.
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80bobcat

thanks people...now under the hood left side by the w/s  is a box of relays fuses etc..I`ll assume thats coming with the harness..the rest of the harness (to the puter?) looks like it enters on the right side..and what looks like a vacumn aplifier..also i`ll assume any vacumn lines entering the cabin is to control the hvac...not engine mang....went looking for a haynes manuel but most if not all places discontinued carring them on the merkur got one on the t/c though..my niehbour says I`m suffering from midlife crazies..he can help with the engine rebuild but I`m on my own for the wiring...well not really..I got FORDPINTO.COM........lol.. ;D
Look Officer..it`s a Pinto would YOU stop short?

crazyhorse

Ok there'll be a BIG wad of wires with a rubber grommet like six inches long. one end will have most of your engine sensors , the other will have the 'puter. My Taurus's is actually on the firewall behind the heater!! That means I've gotta pull the WHOLE dash to get to it.
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svoman2300

I know on a Mustang you have to remove the dash to get the harness out. I would assume you have to do the same for the Merk. Also your best bet would be to find a large Vam from a SVO or 87-88 Tbird , 35lb. injectors and the computer needed to run them. You don't have to do this, but you will have more HP if you do. You can find most of these parts on Turboford.org.
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80bobcat

update...engine out and sitting on stand waiting for time and money...now what do i do about the harness?..I only pulled what i had to off the engine and marked them..but what about the rest of the harness.. ??? and the puter..I`ve scoured the car and for the life of me can`t find a keyboard or mouse..(figured I`d follow the wires back to the puter) ;D..k I admit I`m a jughead not a wrench head..need help on what to take...and how?..I`ve removed most clips holding the harness under the hood but do i need it all?..headlights..etc? Do I trace back what I need and remove them individually?......thanks for any all help!!..think I`ll go read or clean parts till I start step 2....lol..
Look Officer..it`s a Pinto would YOU stop short?

80bobcat

Thanks all...got the 87 merkur home yesterday....now the fun begins....I just gotta keep looking at it 1 step at a time cause the whole picture is a little (a lot) intimidating  ??? and reading about the swap is my way to avoid doing it...lol.....lets see now...step 1 ..go read some more........ ;D
Look Officer..it`s a Pinto would YOU stop short?

turbopinto72

Quote from: SVOwagon on November 22, 2004, 07:48:55 PM
Get the engine and computer from the 88 T/C and the harness from the Merkur. Your set!! ;D
SVOwagon
I concur doctor............. ;D
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SVOwagon

Get the engine and computer from the 88 T/C and the harness from the Merkur. Your set!! ;D
SVOwagon
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80bobcat

Went  and looked at the 86 t/c the guy had started to take it apart and the engine bay looked like a rats nest ..so I kept looking and found a 87 merkur and another 88t/c...I figured they`re all going for about the same price so why not look at them all...3 weeks ago I couldn`t dig up a 2.3 turbo and now i found 3 in a week ;D.....go figure!!...
Look Officer..it`s a Pinto would YOU stop short?

pintoman

Yes the Mercur motor will bolt up to your C-4.
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SVOwagon

Merkur?? What happened to the 86 T/C?? If you do decide to start on a EFI turbo swap, there are many guys here that will be willing to help.
SVOwagon
80 2.3 EFI Turbo Pinto Squire Wagon
91 Mustang LX 5.0 (93 Cobra clone project)
82 Mustang GT (built 460)
89 Mustang LX coupe (built 302)
83 Ranger
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80bobcat

Sorry people.....the real Q is will a Merkur 2.3 turbo with a 5 spd bolt up ...to my auto C4?
Look Officer..it`s a Pinto would YOU stop short?