Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Pinto sightings of the Ford kind...

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Bigtimmay

Need to find that one dave I wanna see pics! LOL
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dave1987

Sure was eye catching! Wish I could get a closer look at it, seemed to be in decent shape!
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I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintoman

That is the Mercury version of the Pinto Rallye.
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dave1987

Wife and I drove past a 79-80 Bobcat on Fairview Ave. and Locast Grove today. It was turning left and stopped behind one car waiting to turn.  Anyone here own or drive this car??

It looked EXACTLY like this, except for maybe minus the wheels. We were going 35 mph and didn't get a real good look at it, but I distinctly saw the front end, and the rear while driving past. The color scheme was one you wouldn't forget. My wife didn't believe me at first because I thought it was a Pinto, but we both agreed that the side decal said "Bobcat" in bright orange(ish) colors.

http://www.productioncars.com/gallery.php?car=2580&make=Mercury&model=Bobcat

A rare one me thinks!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

I spotted the red '77-'78 Runabout again today while driving my work truck back to the yard this afternoon. Not only does it have a landau top in white, but it also has the pop-out quarter windows.  I'll bet it's sporting the deluxe package. It was being driven by a white-haired person (wasn't sure of gender- it could go either way. lol). After I dgot to the yard one of my co-workers said he spotted an orange Cruising Wagon complete with graphics somewhere in Oceanside (both cars were spotted in the Oceanside/Carlsbad CA area). Wow- what a day of random Pintos here!  ;D ;D ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

Well, maybe not a "sighting", per say, but fast64ranchero (carl) came through my drive-thru on Saturday with his new 1973 Pinto! He picked it up in Cali, and it is BEAUTIFUL! White with burnt orange vinyl top and sunroof, orange rocker trim if I remember correctly, and he painted his aluminum slotted wheels orange to match the car. It even has rear window louvers! Flawless interior with no cracks or wear in the seats or door panels, bright work is still shiney to! He changed out the stock trans for a T5 to!

We are meeting up some time this week hopefully and I can get some pictures! :D It sure made my 15 hour work day better after seeing it! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

OMG!!! OMG!!! Today I spotted a real beauty! I was driving S/B 15 freeway in the Escondido (Cali) area and did a double-take when I spotted an early wagon on the N/B side. It was that Medium Yellow Gold color I love so dearly. Well, I did the only thing a sane, normal adult would do... I made happy squealing screams! lol :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

On my way home this afternoon I was heading east on HWY 76 and in a left-turn pocket I spotted a familiar car. I did a double-take, and yes- it was a '73 black Pinto wagon (it had '73 bumpers)! I was so thrilled I honked Ruby's horn twice as I passed! ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

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blupinto

I thought someone ah...MATURE would like that! lol. :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Becky!!! :surprised:  Now you just wait a cotton-pickin' minute!  An older guy, probably in his 50's???  I resemble that remark! :lol:

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

Speaking of pastel blue Pintos... lol... today I had the pleasure to meet Mike (Pinto Pro) in Hesperia today and got to "meet" his '72 as well as some other great Fords he has (talk about your eye candy! ) After I left his place (I talked to him to death and made him bake in the hot High Desert sun- sorry Mike!)  I was parched and grabbed the worst stuff for diet-conscious people- sodas! After that I got on to Main Street Hesperia going towards the freeway (the 15) and I had to do a double-take- I spotted a '79-'80 (I think- I didn't catch the grille but the taillights look it) Runabout in two-tone blue. The main color was powder blue but it had a darker blue on the lower panels and was driven by an older guy (ok he was probably in his 50s lol). I wish I   a) had a camera, and   b) had warning so I could be at the ready. It was a treat to see a Pinto driven around in the High Desert heat... made me ALMOST wish I had driven Ruby RedHot, but she would've lived up to her name all too well. :P
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

I experienced a Pinto sighting of not only the Ford kind, but the unusual kind, last evening.  It all started out with my son and I joking around.  At seventeen, Cody is nearly six feet tall and only 135 pounds.  He is totally convinced he'll stay that way forever and I said, "maybe so, but not necessarily."  I went on to tell him that I was six feet tall and weighed only 129 when I got married the first time.  He stared at me in utter disbelief; I don't blame him... that's 109 pounds less than I weigh now!  A couple of hours later we stopped by to visit my Mom and while we were there, I dug out an old photo album from that wedding and showed him.  Although you couldn't pay me to go back and do that marriage over, it was still sort of fun looking through the pictures and seeing how young and thin we looked, and how vibrant and healthy some now-long-gone family members were.  Anyway, there is one photo of my mother and my ex-mother-in-law in the album, taken outside the church following the reception.  In the background, visible between their shoulders, is a pastel blue Pinto!  It was parked in a driveway at the house next door to the church so it did not belong to any of the wedding guests.  I can't see the bumpers but I'm assuming it was probably an early model because there appears to be some rust/primer between the door and the rear wheel well and this photo was taken on June 11, 1983.  This doesn't technically qualify as a Pinto sighting but as rare as they are in this neck of the woods, it was exciting just to find a photo of one! 

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

69GT

Other than mine and my friends there are 3 or 4 that I've seen around here in Fresno. Two notables are a turbo 2.3 73 in rough shape. And one is a 78 or so orange Cruising Wagon. Oh and a V-6 runabout that I almost bought a year ago... OK so like 9 0r 10 :)

Where was I going with this?

blupinto

Yeah, but I don't want you to forsake Brownie either. But then, I am fonder of the older Pintos... ::)
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

Yeah, brownie is an auto, but the trans needs rebuilt before it can be driven. Wouldn't it be cool having a 78 sedan and 78 hatch parked next to each other 90% of the time? Or to see both of them pull into parking lots to do shopping or just cruising around town? :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Uhh...Dave, isn't Brownie an automatic? Why doesn't she drive her? And anyway, wagons are good for people with kids! lol.

Anyway, it must be a day of sightings! lol. I went back to work today seven weeks after my elbow surgery. In transit from our work zone to a park n ride for lunch (I work for California's highway dept.) I spotted a white '77-'78 Pinto wagon. Man it looked pristine on the outside! Shiny and dent-free! The middle pop-out windows were open too! I was saying, "oh my god... oh my god... where's my camera!?" and my co-worker got spooked. He doesn't understand the magic of the Pinto... :lol:  Oh yes, the car was in motion... it turned into the driveway of a cheapy gas station as we drove by. ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

Now that I'm thinking of it, it very well may be a 78 since you said they were offered with a regular hatch. It has the bumpers like mine, straight and all aluminum, no bumper guards like Chuck's 77' has. Upon closer inspection I'd know for sure, I just need to find time to contact the owner.

I'd buy it from him if I had the money. If it's an automatic my wife could drive it, if it's a stick I'd swap out the C4 in brownie so she COULD drive it! :D :P
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

beegle55

I don't know the total scoop on the all glass hatch cars except I like them...but I can tell you that '78's were also available as regular HB's because I have one in my garage  :) I'm not really sure if there was even a major difference on 77/78 cars at all...

But it is awesome to see another Pinto in your area. My mom talked to the owner of an all original, pristine '76 runabout with all the goodies like my V6 that is awaiting a restore and I would have really loved to have seen it...and of course bought it! LoL thats the worst part...I've bought every Pinto I've ever seen....thats a pretty good stat that I'm not going to be able to uphold anymore if I see another because of the way the economy is  >:( Oh well three should hold me over...for now.
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dave1987

Found a local Pinto today!

Well, okay, I learned about it's existence early LAST MONTH from a co-worker who said there was a red Pinto just like mine around the corner from his house. Now keep in mind that I pretty much live in this guy's back yard, I could easily walk to his house in two or three minutes after crossing a field!

I've wanted to check the car out, but have been so busy with work, maintaining the cars, cleaning the house and taking care of the family, not to mention trying to find time to sleep, that I just keep forgetting to stop by and check it out.

Well the past month I have had these two regular customers come in that are ROOMMATES of this supposed Pinto owner. They come in and the guy keeps asking "did you go check out the Pinto yet?", every time I ask if it's still there and how late it will be there, stating I will try to make it over after work. They said it's a red 79 Pinto just like mine.

I was able to pass by the house today to see if it was there, and sure enough! :D It's a red 77/78 Red hatchback. I want to say it's a 77 because the rear hatch has the metal frame, not completely glass like the 78's I have seen. The paint is in rough shape but the body is straight and appears to be well taken care from, at least from what I saw while driving by.

Now I just need to get over there and say hi, introduce myself and my Pinto, let the owner know of the PCCA and this website and see if they need any parts that I can clean out of my storage unit! :D :P
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Quote from: Bigtimmay on May 01, 2010, 08:17:34 PM
LOL i wouldnt embarrass you from what i was driving cause im prolly 100x more picky in cars then you lol i spent 9 hours underneath the driftcar cleaning/painting the bottom side just cause i didnt like it being dirty and not fresh. You ever notice i never showed the interior of my bobcat yet? Thats because its not up to par by the time its all said and done itll have a fiberglass dash cap and i might just glass the door panels too all the plastics repainted from red to black or any other color then red new racing seats installed and prolly the rear seat removed and aluminum tread plate covering most of the rear of the car.

Id embarass yall from the stupid stuff id end up doing LOL

Okay... if you say so :rolleye: :lol:

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Bigtimmay

LOL i wouldnt embarrass you from what i was driving cause im prolly 100x more picky in cars then you lol i spent 9 hours underneath the driftcar cleaning/painting the bottom side just cause i didnt like it being dirty and not fresh. You ever notice i never showed the interior of my bobcat yet? Thats because its not up to par by the time its all said and done itll have a fiberglass dash cap and i might just glass the door panels too all the plastics repainted from red to black or any other color then red new racing seats installed and prolly the rear seat removed and aluminum tread plate covering most of the rear of the car.

Id embarass yall from the stupid stuff id end up doing LOL
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dga57

Quote from: Bigtimmay on May 01, 2010, 07:53:34 PM
plus it helps i dont care what people think yall better hope i never make it out for any show you guys are at ill have yall embarrassed lol  :P


You wouldn't embarrass me!  Believe it or not, as picky as I am about what I drive, what someone else chooses to drive doesn't bother me at all.  I have a deep appreciation for "less than perfect" cars... I just prefer to drive ones that look nice.  And it's not really because I care what anybody else thinks... it's because of what I think.  Can't help it, it's just the way I am!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dga57

Quote from: blupinto on May 01, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
True... but then you wouldn't have had a nice drive with your honey and had a rare Pinto sighting... rare meaning how rare is it to see another Pinto on the road alive and well!? And anyway, there's only a small ding or two that I saw on your '72... Green Meanie's dented fender is WAY more noticeable, and her headliner is nothing to brag about, not to mention her crumbling steering wheel! By George I'll drive her anyway! I still get thumbs-ups and compliments. I don't even think of my looks, and neither should you! ;D


The Pinto sighting was the highlight of my day!  Although it was a beautiful day for a ride with the top down, I could have done without it considering I only slept about 2 1/2 hours after coming in from work Friday morning.  Other than for the Pinto, I would have rather put the top down and driven with my honey to our favorite seafood restaurant (about 2 miles) for dinner... which was our plan until I stumbled onto the Mark VIII we went to look at.  Seeing the Pinto sort of made up for that sorry-arsed Lincoln!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Bigtimmay

plus it helps i dont care what people think yall better hope i never make it out for any show you guys are at ill have yall embarrassed lol  :P
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dga57

Quote from: Bigtimmay on May 01, 2010, 07:48:12 PM
thats why you needa be me! Im so sexy i can drive a 1986 ford festiva and still be awesome! LOL  :lol:


Some folks are just blessed that way :rolleye:

Dwayne :smile:
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Bigtimmay

thats why you needa be me! Im so sexy i can drive a 1986 ford festiva and still be awesome! LOL  :lol:
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blupinto

True... but then you wouldn't have had a nice drive with your honey and had a rare Pinto sighting... rare meaning how rare is it to see another Pinto on the road alive and well!? And anyway, there's only a small ding or two that I saw on your '72... Green Meanie's dented fender is WAY more noticeable, and her headliner is nothing to brag about, not to mention her crumbling steering wheel! By George I'll drive her anyway! I still get thumbs-ups and compliments. I don't even think of my looks, and neither should you! ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Quote from: blupinto on May 01, 2010, 04:33:47 PM
Dwayne, you're too much!  :lol:  If I relied on your eye on perfection in cars I would have to shanks mare to go anywhere!  :lol:  There's an old saying you don't see every day!  ;D

Nah... none of your cars are so far gone that my opinion of them would set you to walking! :lol:     Despite what you think, I'm not looking for perfection; I just want my ride to look good enough to detract people's attention away from the fact that I don't look so good myself.  The Mark VIII's I've looked so far at have been priced between $3500 and $6500... I think that's a high enough outlay of cash that one shouldn't expect ripped headliners, torn seats, dents, etc.  I especially resent finding that after being assured over the phone that, "it's a real creampuff" or, "you won't find one any nicer" and then driving hundreds of miles because of that endorsement.  I'm honest with them... I tell them I'm picky and I want a really nice car.  Why can't they just be honest and say, "I don't think this one would suit you"?  It would save us both time and trouble! >:(

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.