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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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blupinto

Kim, if I had the funds I'd ask you to pull all the green metallic interior pieces... are the seats (front) intact? I love Ford metallic interiors (blue, green, saddle, etc.)
One can never have too many Pintos!

earthquake

I gotta say the Z28 spoiler was a nice touch.
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Pale Roader


Hmmm... theres that rear bumper and valence i need... and in perfect condition... beat up. That means they're FREE. No honest junkyard would charge you for anything that knackered. Neat taillights.

Looks like it woulda been a pretty mean lookin' lil Pinto... with those meats, the scoop and spoiler, weird taillights, etc. Would have liked to have seen a pic from before it got sold.

78txpony

You should do what Chris (popbumper)and I did here:
http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,12114.0.html
It was about like putting a chicken leg in a fireant hill.  We did not leave much. 

Sure, it cost us quite a bit, but we are slowly getting it back to either our own advantage or to that of other Pinto restorers
Hey - I will buy those wheels from ya!  They look awesome!  (Just had to try...) :lol:
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r4pinto

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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: Wittsend on July 12, 2009, 07:29:18 PM
Green shag carpet, letter series tires, traction bars - oh my.  It seems this car was parked when the last Disco record spun and someone has finally taken it out of the closet.  :afro:

  Still it's nice to get goodies regardless of the source.  Was it a PnP "some % off" sale? Typically I find the Sacramento area PnP's to be more than the Pick A Parts down in So.Cal.  Being you got the wheels for $13 ea. that seems to be a much better price than I typically find up there.  Anyway, it's great to hear that the parts didn't go to scrap.
Tom

We sure wished it was a %off sale!! But no luck there. We figured if we left it there and waited, it would be gone. As we were pulling it, 2 other guy's walked up and was eyeballing it and comenting on how it was an 8'!   

This PnP used to be a privately owned place, but they sold to PnP a while back. Really sucks because we used to be able to wheel and deal, not it is pretty much that price or leave it! That is why I left the instrument cluster! I will see if it is still there when they do a sale.
Kim
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Sacramento CA

Wittsend

Green shag carpet, letter series tires, traction bars - oh my.  It seems this car was parked when the last Disco record spun and someone has finally taken it out of the closet.  :afro:

  Still it's nice to get goodies regardless of the source.  Was it a PnP "some % off" sale? Typically I find the Sacramento area PnP's to be more than the Pick A Parts down in So.Cal.  Being you got the wheels for $13 ea. that seems to be a much better price than I typically find up there.  Anyway, it's great to hear that the parts didn't go to scrap.
Tom

fordstuff


if you have a welder.. what i do to get locking lugs off is weld a regular nut to the end of the lock lug nut and then i can get them off with a lug wrench and pitch them in the scrap metal bin.. ive had no luck trying to break the nuts in half or getting them wth visegrips.. roy


Quote from: pintogirl on July 12, 2009, 02:31:08 PM
Yes, that is what we pulled out of the car! We didn't go out to PnP for that! LOL We found the car then noticed it had the 8" rear end and traction bars and all, and decided to get it. We couldn't get the wheels off because it had all lock lug nuts on them. So we decided to try a bit harder to get the front wheels off to have a set! They are not to bad looking, I think they will clean up nicely!!

We plan on putting the rear end and wheels on our v8 Pinto, when we build one that is! LOL

pintogirl

Quote from: srt on July 12, 2009, 03:36:09 AM
Is the pic that shows the rear axle/springs/wheels a pic of what came out of the car? 

That is NOT a stock rear axle assembly.  Note the bolt in 3rd member and the 5 lug wheels?

Yes, that is what we pulled out of the car! We didn't go out to PnP for that! LOL We found the car then noticed it had the 8" rear end and traction bars and all, and decided to get it. We couldn't get the wheels off because it had all lock lug nuts on them. So we decided to try a bit harder to get the front wheels off to have a set! They are not to bad looking, I think they will clean up nicely!!

We plan on putting the rear end and wheels on our v8 Pinto, when we build one that is! LOL
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: Useless on July 12, 2009, 01:31:07 AM
I'd say you're likely right. I'd also agree with the spoiler setup being from a Camaro or Firebird. If you go back, could you take some more photos of that? Wouldn't hate something similar to that for my car, maybe without the side pieces though.

I'd would really be interested in that back bumper if it's semi cheap; mine is bent and rusted thru.

We went back today. Hubby is almost positive that it is off of a camaro. PnP wants 30-35 bucks for a spoiler. We didn't buy it. It just wasn't that nice of a spoiler and it was put on by big pop rivots of some kind!

I did get some more stuff out of the car though. I got the vent pulls that are under the dash, the heater controls, headlight wiper switches and the air ducting. I pulled the instrument panel, but they wanted 35 bucks for that. I didn't want to pay that much, specially when I didn't need it, was just pulling it to sell to someone if they needed one. We put it on the parts section on the inside of the building and the lady said that they may be having a sale soon. I will check back on it when they have a sale!!

Here are some more pics of the car.


Check out this shag!!!


The panels and dash were covered with what appeared to be a towel or terry cloth at one time! LOL


Here are some pics of the spoiler.



Bumper,




As you can kinda tell, the bumper is not in the best shape either. Has that dent, along with alot of rust specks in it. I forgot to check on the price of bumpers out there though!
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

fordstuff

it does look like an 8" rear end in theh photos  and i'd have to guess by the size of the tires and those spring shackels on theh springs to lift it up that those tires sat outside the edge of the fender lip a bit...kind fo like the gold camaro in the new Pappa John Pizza comercials.. very 70's... LOL.. roy


Quote from: srt on July 12, 2009, 03:36:09 AM
Is the pic that shows the rear axle/springs/wheels a pic of what came out of the car? 

That is NOT a stock rear axle assembly.  Note the bolt in 3rd member and the 5 lug wheels?

Srt

Is the pic that shows the rear axle/springs/wheels a pic of what came out of the car? 

That is NOT a stock rear axle assembly.  Note the bolt in 3rd member and the 5 lug wheels?
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Useless

Quote from: Starliner on July 11, 2009, 10:22:05 PM
I would guess that the tail lights are from a 66 Pontiac Bonneville.


I'd say you're likely right. I'd also agree with the spoiler setup being from a Camaro or Firebird. If you go back, could you take some more photos of that? Wouldn't hate something similar to that for my car, maybe without the side pieces though.

I'd would really be interested in that back bumper if it's semi cheap; mine is bent and rusted thru.

Starliner

I would guess that the tail lights are from a 66 Pontiac Bonneville.
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pintogirl

Nope Becky, I was talking about regular frig magnets! What ever they may be! LOL

The door panels are the basic ones. I looked because I was looking at the door handles for you! They were green, but the wrong style, but then I remembered you needed the brownish colored one's for Wildfire!!!

I will take more pics tomorrow while we are out there!
Kim
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blupinto

Matty, I think she meant the dash emblem would make a great refrigerator magnet! I'll have to take a picture of my Pinto magnets.  ;D

Kimmy, I'm like you: I would've LOOOOOVED to adopt that new-to-PnP Pinto. The taillights kinda threw me bt if they weren't Bobcat sedan/runabout taillights they're modified ones I'd say. Green shag carpet... THAT'S the life! lol.  :afro: What kind of inner door panels does it have (squire-type or basic)?

I love those horn buttons too!  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

If I did that my car would be tacky lmao  ;D. There is already someone out here that has a car done up all the way in refrigerator magnets so I can't do that  :D
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on July 11, 2009, 05:20:30 PM
It doesn't have the holes drilled or anything but it's too plain looking, and it doesn't match tht wood trim I got in the rest of the car.

Perfect place for refrigerator magnets!!!!!!!!  ;D :lol: :angel:
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

It doesn't have the holes drilled or anything but it's too plain looking, and it doesn't match tht wood trim I got in the rest of the car.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Is your dash supposed to have the woodgrain panel?  I will defenitly look for one for you! There is a purple 77ish car out there, I have been through it a couple of times, but I don't remember if it had the dash peice. I will look tomorrow!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Drat.. O well, ya never know till you ask lol... Those little dash emblems are neat. My Dad bought me a bunch of emblems off ebay & two of them were among them. One had a broken tail & missing center. The other one had one missing tab. That one is on the dash of Harrold II. Adds something to the otherwise boring dash.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

No, it is a solid metal dash. I did pull the little Pinto emblem off the dash!!! It's not in the pic because I just remember that it is still in my purse! LOL Don't plan on selling it though! LOL I kinda am hooked on some of this stuff, just to collect for now! LOL

I paid 13.00 bucks a piece for the rims!


I really liked the driver door it had (didn't look at the passenger door close). It had the thick black line with 2 smaller lines on top and bottem, then the word Pinto with the horse in the middle. Probably a factory thing. I think I saw this same thing on a Pinto online before!! I even looked at the door for my Green Machine because it has the black interior paint. It has a dent, but I may have to go look at both door better!

Speaking of looking, we are going back tomorrow to possibly pull that spoiler. Hubby isn't sure though, he thinks it may be off of a camaro. I doubt you all can tell from the pic. I would really like to get the windshield and back glass, but not sure what PnP will want for that stuff. I may snag the bumper too, depending on price! I think I will take a camera and get a pic of the PnP price list too! LOL I would love it if they had an online version! LOL
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

75bobcatv6

love those rims what did ypu pay for those?

r4pinto

Does it have the wood dash trim Kim?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: 71pintoracer on July 11, 2009, 04:31:24 PM
Can't tell for sure from the pic but the rear bumper and valance look good. Also has the 3 piece spoiler. Someone may be interested. Nice find! ;D


The bumper isn't to bad, does have a push in dent on the driver side, and the bumper guard thingys are gone (can't think of their name now! LOL) The rear valance is history. Passenger side is pretty banged up. I didn't know the spoiler kit would be of interest. If I go out again, I will see what they want for it! Being a PnP now, the prices are sometimes outrageous. There is alot of parts I would like to buy, but I would never get my money back because of PnP's prices!!! Sure wish I could get the whole car!!!! It is killng me!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

71pintoracer

Can't tell for sure from the pic but the rear bumper and valance look good. Also has the 3 piece spoiler. Someone may be interested. Nice find! ;D
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

pintogirl

Went to PnP today to look for a mirror assembly. Found a new to that yard Pinto!!! Sure wish I could buy the whole car for nothing. Would love to get what parts are left on it!! I don't know what it is about seeing a Pinto sitting in a parts yard, I just feel the need to rescue it, even though I would possibly be stripping it anyway! This one was stripped of the motor front radiator support, grill and bumper. The rest was pretty much there. Someone pulled almost all the chrome off of it and layed it in the car. I didn't buy it all, but I did get the door molding and the chrome molding that goes down the door window post. I may go back and get the rest of it later, if it is still there.

So, what year is it?


Any guesses by the tail lights? LOL  It's actually a 72 that someone hacked tail lights into! I almost didn't believe my hubby when we first started toward it, thought it was some other kind of ford! LOL

Here is some pics of the stuff I got! It only had 2 of the mud flaps. I will clean them up and if they look ok, I will put them on the Ghost. I figure 2 is better then none! Can't believe how much crap flies up on the car when driving down the road!!




Hubby asked me if I just wanted the metal clips off the horn button, "heck no" I want the whole thing!!!! LOL There is something about those round horn buttons I like. I will "take" any and all that I can find!! LOL Now I have a brown, 2 blacks, and a Green one!!! LOL

We weren't planning on taking the wheels when we first found the rear end, but we couldn't get the back one's off (every lug nut was a locking one) so I decided that we should try to get the front one's off, so we would have a set! They arn't in bad shape and this would give us a neat set for our "one day down the road" V8 Pinto!!

Becky, I sure wish I would have taken a picture of the carpeting in the car! LOL When I saw it I thought of you!! LOL It was  real tall green shag carpeting!!!!!! It was cool though!

Sure wish who ever gave that car to PnP would have advertised it in the paper first, I would have bought it for the price PnP probably paid!! Maybe I should put an add in the paper saying I will buy any Pinto for 100-200 bucks, depending on condition!!! LOL  Boy am I addicted!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA