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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Joe's 1974 Pinto Wagon

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douglasskemp

Looks great!  I think the 'shiney police' would be happy. :police:

Hmm... I had the same problem with my 78.  Turns out the cowl is galvanized.  My 76 M2 is the same.  I think they did it to try and help with the rust-thru these cars all seem to have in the cowl area.  The paint that I had was factory original, but after 20 odd years of Arizona sun (it started cracking/peeling in the late 90s), it was looking pretty sad.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

redmustangman3

I don't know what happened to the new photo but here it is I hope. Joe
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

redmustangman3

Update time- the paint on the cowl area needed to be redone. I don't know how or what was used to repaint it, but the paint was literally falling off? At least there was not much rust. So off to my local paint shop; they loved the car and the unusaual color. They said it would take 3 days and they would be using a water base paint which a lot of shops use nowadays because of CA/ EPA regulations on laquers, etc. 4 days later I called and found out they couldn't match the color using these water base paints. They would use lacquer which would take 2 days to order- no problem I'm in no hurry. 3 days later I call again and the color was a great match but they company had put pearl in it. Time to reorder the paint again- another 2 days. Long story short, it got painted and it looks really nice. Joe in Morgan Hill, CA
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

redmustangman3

Quote from: lugnut on August 28, 2009, 11:43:05 AM
Hi Joe,
If you want to see what an a/c Radiator looks like, stop by my place- my cruising wagon has factory ac.  I also may have a turn signal lever for you.
mike in morgan hill

Hi Mike: I'll take you up on that. I would like to show you my newly aquired 74 wagon anyway and take a look at the signal lever. Regards, Joe
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

lugnut

Hi Joe,
If you want to see what an a/c Radiator looks like, stop by my place- my cruising wagon has factory ac.  I also may have a turn signal lever for you.
mike in morgan hill

Quote from: redmustangman3 on August 13, 2009, 09:47:33 AM
I'm not sure what an A/C radiator looks like but the new one is significantly wider than the original. The original one was 18.5" wide and the new one is +22" wide. It also has fittings on the bottom which have been blocked off (auto trans?). Hopefully bigger is better and it is definately shiny-Brad will like that. Joe in Morgan Hill, CA

redmustangman3

Thanks for the tip on the door knobs; I'll check into vintage mustang ones. Joe
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

douglasskemp

Quote from: redmustangman3 on August 22, 2009, 10:44:31 AMAlso looking for door lock knobs (X2). The ones on the car are broken and the ones at auto parts stores don't look all that hot. I'd prefer NOS stuff but pieces in very good shape will also work.

If they look like these, the ones for Mustangs should work.  I can't remember at the moment, but the Fox body Mustang ones MAY be a bit longer, but still should work as the threaded rod for them has remained the same diameter and thread count since at least the 60s.  If you don't like the look of the smooth ones without heads, you could use early Mustang ones instead, like from a 67 or 68.  My 69 F-100 uses the ones like are on 68 Mustangs, but I switched them out for Pinto knobs and stainless grommets for a cleaner look.
http://www.superiormustangparts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=5R3Z-6321850-S
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

TIGGER

I should have a turn signal lever for you.  I will check and get back to you.  I will look for some door locks but I am not sure if I have any.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

redmustangman3

 Hi Group: Looking for some small pieces for the 74 wagon. The end chrome (or plastic) piece is missing from the turn signal lever on the steering column. It looks to be a push fit; or will take a new complete lever. Also looking for door lock knobs (X2). The ones on the car are broken and the ones at auto parts stores don't look all that hot. I'd prefer NOS stuff but pieces in very good shape will also work. Please contact me off list at gwnv63@prodigy.net. Thanks, Joe In Morgan Hill, CA 
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

redmustangman3

I'm not sure what an A/C radiator looks like but the new one is significantly wider than the original. The original one was 18.5" wide and the new one is +22" wide. It also has fittings on the bottom which have been blocked off (auto trans?). Hopefully bigger is better and it is definately shiny-Brad will like that. Joe in Morgan Hill, CA
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

dholvrsn

That looks like an AC radiator.
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redmustangman3

Update time- finding a radiator. The short version is the new radiator, hoses and misc. pieces have been installed and I'm finally driving my wagon again. The long version is Kragon autoparts store cancelled 2 seperate orders I placed for a Pinto radiator which they stated was available at their warehouse. After the second order didn't show up (some + 2 weeks later) I located the store owner and had a discussion. The botttom line is Kragon's inventory computer system sucks, and their source for Pinto radiators (in Mexico) no longer makes the part. He found a new one (at twice the cost) and I had it in 3 days after our little discussion. I've included a couple of photos. Joe in Morgan Hill, CA
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

blupinto

Just remember Joe... if/when you get tired of that ol' wagon you can drop it off here at my house... ::) :hypno: ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

redmustangman3

Thanks Paul, I didn't think about that given the 100 degree temps we have had recently. I'll check it out. Joe
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

skunky56

Joe, don't forget the heater core when replacing the rest of the system :0)
77 Starsky/Hutch 2.3 Turbo A4OD Sunroof
78 Wagon V6 C3

r4pinto

Nice looking wagon!!

I hear ya about Ca. That's the only state that assumes you are driving the car even if it isn't registered, so they make you pay back registration.. Morons.. I just re-registered my car for the first time since 12-06 and since there is only 6 months till my birthday (registration expiration) I only had to pay a prorated amount.. No fees and no questions asked, except it I have been driving it or not.

That is a great deal for that wagon though. Wish I had the cash for something like that.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

High_Horse

Very good catch!!!!!!!!!!!


                                                     High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Scott Hamilton

Joe, that IS a really nice wagon!
Looks like you really found a special gem... Really really neat find...  She is in great shape, the engine, the interior-- a real find...

Nice,
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The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

redmustangman3

Just a quick update on getting the wagon in great driving shape. I took it to my local mechanic who maintains my Pintos and had all the filters and fluids changed. It had been sitting for +two years so taking no chances everything was changed. He fixed the window regulator (replaced rollers), fixed the directional signals (fuse) which also made the electric antenna and radio work, fixed the choke and did a safety check. I was nervous about the brakes but he reported they were in great shape as was the rest of the car. I had previousy replaced the two rear tires as they had deep cracks in the sidewalls. The fronts look good. When I picked up the car, I decided to take a little drive around town which was super fun. Then home and parked it in the garage. About two hours later, my wife came in and said you better check your new Pinto-something is leaking. How about a quart of Prestone on the ground- yikes!! Long story short; I have a new radiator , hoses, and thermostat on order. Should be in next week- special order from Kragens. I'm not upset, the car is 35 years young and has been sitting for awhile so you can expect some issues. I'll let you know how it goes. Joe in Morgan Hill, CA
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

redmustangman3

Hi Leonard: Absolutely; although driving the Shelby Mustang is a kick ?? Joe
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

lencost

Hay Joe! Can we expect a wagon next time?
1975 Wagon 8" C4 2.8 V6

71pintoracer

Joe, I think you got a great deal, that is a wonderful looking car inside and out!  :)
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Pangra74

Joe,

This is Joe in Oakland. What a nice find. I have an 06 Focus wagon I use for a daily driver and have thought many times that if I found a clean wagon like what you have there, I'd dump the Focus (although it is a really good car) and use the Pinto wagon as a driver.I'd keep my runabout for the other stuff.

Congrats!!

Joe in Oakland
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

redmustangman3

Hi: Just back in town from Nascar Race at Infineon Raceway this past wekend- what a blast. To answer your question 71 Pintoracer; the previous dealer/owner had it listed on eBay with a $3500 reserve; it didn't sell. I contacted him several days later and made an offer of $2500 which he accepted. There were other fees involved, including 2 years of DMV fees and fines- only in CA!!! Once I saw the car in person and gave it a car wash and a short drive around town, I was more than happy with the deal. It's not perfect; directionals not working, passenger window regulator not working, the front cowl needs to be repainted, etc. As for the color; I really liked the pictures as posted on eBay, I thought it was yellow. When I saw it in person, it was greenish yellow. It's really strange- in direct sunlight, it looks yellow. In shade, it looks green. In normal daylight it looks greenish yellow. It's starting to grow on me as it is so different. In any case, it will stay that color for quite a while. I need to get the mechanical issues in order. Regards and happy with my new 74 wagon- Joe in Morgan Hill, CA
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

beegle55

Beautiful! I think that's definitely daily driver quality! Wow and I love some of the unique 70's colors including that of you wagon. Have fun with it! Congrats

    -beegle55
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1970 Ford Mustang 302

blupinto

Yeah... Chrisf will have to keep a beady eye on me...!  ;) That wagon is SWEET!
One can never have too many Pintos!

71pintoracer

WOW!!! :o What a beautiful Pinto! :amazed: Do you mind if I ask what it you had to give for it? Not trying to be nosey :P just wondering what a pristine car like that is bringing!
Did anyone see the one on Barrett-Jackson last year? What did it go for? 11 grand? is that right? ???
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

chrisf1219

hey joe its going to cost extra if i have to guard your air cleaner on the black car and parts off the wagon. just kidding   chris
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

dga57

What a find :amazed:     CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Dwayne :smile:
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pintoman

Looks just like the one at Carlisle this year.One of the venders had it,wanted $5500.It sold on Sunday.
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