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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

It's a disease!!

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pintogirl

Quote from: Fred Morgan on June 11, 2009, 04:20:33 PM
Tom I am almost positive a new owner of vehicle does not need to pay back regs. + penalty, only the last owner would need to if they were going to register. Fred   :)

Nope Fred, you would be wrong about that!  The fees go with the car not the PO! That's great CA for ya!!!  Only way to get out of the accumulated back fees, is to have the car junked, then revived. Bad thing with that is you will have a salvage title and have to get brake and light inspection!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Yah, I know about the reg fees and all. I'm not to worried about it, because it will most likely be a part car! Just depends on what it looks like in person I guess! LOL

As far a shippers, we using a guy that parks his truck down the street from our house. We keep an eye on his truck and car when he is gone! I went to pay him yesterday and he told me to keep it till he gets back with the car!! He also knows there is no engine in this car, so it will have to be pushed or pulled up on his trailer! So that shouldn't be a problem either! I probably wouldn't have bought the car if this guy couldn't go get it! I can't get hubby to take off work long enough to go get these cars for me! LOL

On that note, hubby is going to start working on a flat bed tow truck that we have had for several years. He wants to get it all fixed up, new paint job, new/used motor with a/c and automatic tranny, so I will be able to go get the cars as I find them! LOL I think I will name it Pinto's 'r' us!! LOL Or maybe Have Pinto, We'll Haul! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Fred Morgan

Tom I am almost positive a new owner of vehicle does not need to pay back regs. + penalty, only the last owner would need to if they were going to register. Fred   :)
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Wittsend

Kim,
  I see a yellow tag on a plate that starts with the number "5". Hopefully the car has current registration???  If so and the Pink is missing the registered owner should just be able to reapply for a Pink slip and then transfer the car to you.

  Sadly as you likely know California requires back payment for all unregistered years - with fines.  I think it goes back for 7 years.  So, you can buy a Pinto last registered in 2002 for say..., a Stinking Dollar and have to pay the DMV (with the fee increases) hundreds if not into the thousands of dollars to get the car registered.

EVERYONE, if your not going to register your car, NON-OP it!

I know "hubby" is in the towing business so he probably knows, but be careful with shippers. They will low ball a quote then holding you under contract for 30 days never getting your car until you agree to more money.

  They charge extra if the car doesn't run. And..., Oh..., it did run, but THEY didn't close the door tight and the battery went dead.  Ohhhh well..., an extra $175 because the car didn't start!!!

I bit the bullet and paid $425 to U-haul my car home. While even there I panicked about getting a good truck (I did)I did not have any surprises.
Tom

71hotrodpinto

Quote from: pintogirl on June 06, 2009, 09:00:01 PM
I'm telling you this is a disease! Once you buy one you cant stop! Kinda like eating potato chips, just cant stop at one!! LOL

Yep, I bought another one!! Not sure what I will be doing with it yet, but it's mine! LOL Well almost. I paid for it on ebay and have a truck going after it on next Wed. or Thurs. That is what was the most expensive thing about this buy, the shipping! Although I am hoping hubby will be able to talk the guy down on that price! You know, work out a deal with trading a winch for the guy's truck for some of the fee of going to get the car!! LOL The shipping guy is going to charge us 225 to go get it. Which in a way isn't really that bad, considering it would cost us almost that to drive down there with a truck and trailer. Once you figure the gas, food, and time, his price isn't to bad! LOL

So I paid 100 bucks for the car. Bad thing is, no motor, which really isn't that big of a deal, I have motors. The other bad part is no Pink slip, although the guy has a bill of sale from the original owner. The wheels in the pics are not the wheels on the car now. This was one of the reasons he bought it, for the wheels and the motor.  Also the pass. side fender is damaged, but doesn't look all that bad really!!


Now I have to hurry up and wait!! I hate that!! LOL

I really need to stay off ebay!!! :lol:  Here I'm trying to find a wagon, and I end up spending money on a hatchback! LOL


Hey Pintogirl! Man i was really wanting to pull that down but i just couldnt justify it. I have NO place to store it and even less money to get her running. SO i was really hoping that someone would buy it. Was really a tug at my "disease Center" of my brain as well. Heck im only 25 miles from it over in SUNLAND,ca. Well im glad it went to a good person!



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smallfryefarm

yes i am david
I too am a pintoholic  :reek:
I uh uh I am also addicted to Ebay. gasp  :embarassed:
I sit their on the computor looking at fordpinto.com but the next thing i know my mouse has wondered off
and i end up on ebay.
I want to stop i am in debt to my eyeballs but i save so much money. and my pinto needs so many parts. :'( :'( :'(
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popbumper

"Hi - I'm Chris, and I am a Pintoholic"

"Hi, Chris"

"I have been clean and sober, part-shipment and restoration free for two weeks"

(Crowd claps)

"Last night, though, I fell off the wagon. I painted some POR-15 on my inner fender at 1 AM under the driveway spotlight".

(Crowd gasps)

"Will someone please be my sponsor, and help me through this?"

(Ricer owner stands up). Hey, buddy, I'll help you. Come on over and join the Honda power forum.

"To he** with that".

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

smallfryefarm

Quote from: 71hotrodpinto on June 11, 2009, 10:37:44 AM
YAH! HAHAHAHA!
Man i feel your pain on that! From now on get your parts sent to work! Ive been doing that for years. Mainly cause no ones here at home all day + its an apartment and i fear the day that something gets ploped on the door step only to be stolen minutes later! Hasnt happend... YET So i just get them sent to work. So much more safe. And like i said no "wife Pinto issues" that way LOL!



great idea that way i only get the look once a month when the credit card bill comes......unless.....maybe i can send that to your house.   :lol: :lol:
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71hotrodpinto

Quote from: smallfryefarm on June 11, 2009, 08:15:22 AM

Its a passion that turns in to disease that eats your pocket book. The pain comes from when the dang ups driver shows up at the house every day before you can get home to intercept the package and the wife is waiting at the door holding the package saying did you order this  :rolleye: friken package for that friken pinto?  :rolleye:

YAH! HAHAHAHA!
Man i feel your pain on that! From now on get your parts sent to work! Ive been doing that for years. Mainly cause no ones here at home all day + its an apartment and i fear the day that something gets ploped on the door step only to be stolen minutes later! Hasnt happend... YET So i just get them sent to work. So much more safe. And like i said no "wife Pinto issues" that way LOL!



95' 302,Forged Pistons,Polished rods
B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
Holley570,Msd dist,CraneHI6
Mil

smallfryefarm

  My wife is starting to recognize me - as an addict  :drunk:.

HELP!

Chris
[/quote]

yes my wife says i am a ebay addict and i need to seek profesional help. I said no im not i can stop any time i want to!!!!

no i cant i need help    HELP!
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popbumper

Quote from: smallfryefarm on June 11, 2009, 08:15:22 AM

Its a passion that turns in to disease that eats your pocket book. The pain comes from when the dang ups driver shows up at the house every day before you can get home to intercept the package and the wife is waiting at the door holding the package saying did you order this  :rolleye: friken package for that friken pinto?  :rolleye:

I love it! That describes me to a "T". My wife always says "it's ANOTHER Daddy mail day". Between UPS, FedEx and USPS, I pretty much have packages show up every week. Rockauto, EBAY, P-S-T, POR-15, Fred, and Green Sales packages have all showed up at my door. The guys at Autozone are starting to recognize me. The guys at the auto body supply shop are starting to recognize me. My wife is starting to recognize me - as an addict  :drunk:.

HELP!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Carolina Boy

SFF, I don't have to worry 'bout that no mo! He He :lol: Now if I can just find all the checkbooks >:(
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

smallfryefarm

 
Quote from: 71HANTO on June 07, 2009, 04:49:56 PM
At least it's a disease that only eats your pocketbook and doesn't eat you! ;D

71HANTO
(light in the pocket)

Its a passion that turns in to disease that eats your pocket book. The pain comes from when the dang ups driver shows up at the house every day before you can get home to intercept the package and the wife is waiting at the door holding the package saying did you order this  :rolleye: friken package for that friken pinto?  :rolleye:
Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch

Carolina Boy

Yes I are, going back to work Monday morning!!!!
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

blupinto

Oooh... somebody's frisky tonight!  :hypno:
One can never have too many Pintos!

Carolina Boy

R4 sane?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

r4pinto

Quote from: 71HANTO on June 07, 2009, 04:49:56 PM
At least it's a disease that only eats your pocketbook and doesn't eat you! ;D

71HANTO
(light in the pocket)

It also eats your sanity.. Thanks to the car I have very little sanity left  :laugh:
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

hellfirejim

yes this is a terrible addiction.  right now i can barely afford mine but at the same time i am trying to figure out a way to buy the 77 Rally car that my buddy has.  it has bad floors and possibly some frame rot.  the is ok with me as i am wanting interior panels and pieces, all the rally stuff and the rally wheels.  If I do get it the rally wheels and dash and extra gauges will be for sale.  BUT NOT the steering column or wheel... MINE :hypno:

I just took my car out after a couple of years working on it and two major set backs and I am here to tell you that all that are still working on your cars, KEEP GOING!!  IT WILL DEFINATELY BE WORTH IT!

Life is good :lol:
It's a good day to be alive!
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71HANTO

Quote from: pintogirl on June 06, 2009, 09:00:01 PM
I'm telling you this is a disease!

At least it's a disease that only eats your pocketbook and doesn't eat you! ;D

71HANTO
(light in the pocket)
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

blupinto

You'll be posting pictures of your new wagon, right Joe?  :D
One can never have too many Pintos!

redmustangman3

Congrats Kim, glad to see your still trying to corner the Pinto marketplace-HAH. I too just found a wagon and will be picking it up next week on the 11th in Los Angeles. Happens to be my B-Day also, what a nice gift!! I've been looking for over 2 years for that perfect pre-75 wagon (no smog) and finally found a 1974 that fits the bill. I'll post photos when I get it home. Having fun in Morgan Hill, CA   Joe
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

blupinto

...Actually it's an addiction... :D Congratulations on your latest conquest! I was looking at that one (not to buy-where'd I put it!?) a few days ago. I'm glad you rescued her. Now you have a Runabout. I LOOOOOVE mine! It's so convenient on shopping days.

         Too bad you all aren't coming down this way, then you'd get to meet my wagon. Then the craving would be too much, next thing you know... ANOTHER PINTO! A wagon, maybe... ;)
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

im sure with all the parts you have you could make it run again no?

pintogirl

I'm telling you this is a disease! Once you buy one you cant stop! Kinda like eating potato chips, just cant stop at one!! LOL

Yep, I bought another one!! Not sure what I will be doing with it yet, but it's mine! LOL Well almost. I paid for it on ebay and have a truck going after it on next Wed. or Thurs. That is what was the most expensive thing about this buy, the shipping! Although I am hoping hubby will be able to talk the guy down on that price! You know, work out a deal with trading a winch for the guy's truck for some of the fee of going to get the car!! LOL The shipping guy is going to charge us 225 to go get it. Which in a way isn't really that bad, considering it would cost us almost that to drive down there with a truck and trailer. Once you figure the gas, food, and time, his price isn't to bad! LOL

So I paid 100 bucks for the car. Bad thing is, no motor, which really isn't that big of a deal, I have motors. The other bad part is no Pink slip, although the guy has a bill of sale from the original owner. The wheels in the pics are not the wheels on the car now. This was one of the reasons he bought it, for the wheels and the motor.  Also the pass. side fender is damaged, but doesn't look all that bad really!!


Here are a few pics. I saved off of ebay!







Now I have to hurry up and wait!! I hate that!! LOL

I really need to stay off ebay!!! :lol:  Here I'm trying to find a wagon, and I end up spending money on a hatchback! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA