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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Pinto got hit! #^@%!

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dave1987

The painting was completed last Tuesday. Here are some shots of it all finished, as well as sequential photos of the damage to the point of finalized repair. It isn't 100% perfect as the new paint is darker than the old faded paint, but I am happy with the end result. You can see the color difference in the second photo.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

The guy doing the body painting is the body workman's father. :P

He does it indoors in a large garage, but due to the extreme humidity we get when it rains, he doesn't want to take chances and wants to do it right the first time. I don't have a problem with that at all though! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

71pintoracer

Quote from: dave1987 on June 09, 2009, 08:42:34 AM

Painting of the car got postponed, it won't be attempted again until this up coming Saturday. Last week was rain, rain and more rain, with a nice touch of thunderstorms and lots of lighting! Hopefully this weekend will be nicer.
??? Are you painting it outside??  ??? Just wondering! If so,don't forget to plug in the bug zapper!  :D BTW, nice job on the repair, the way the body line fades out and the flare around the wheel well, very tricky areas!!
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

discolives78

Sorry to hear about your fender bender Dave. :o

At least you got the dent worked back out. Can't wait to see how the paint comes out!

That's a common spot on Pintos, I guess. Mine's been scraped there, but not all the way to the corner, and not as deep. You can see the chunk of paint missing in all my pictures. It was there when I got the car, and I never messed with it.



Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

Glad to hear your repair went very well Larry! I'm not sure exactly how my body man got the rest of the dent out/in, but he did an amazing job!

Painting of the car got postponed, it won't be attempted again until this up coming Saturday. Last week was rain, rain and more rain, with a nice touch of thunderstorms and lots of lighting! Hopefully this weekend will be nicer.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Hey!!!! I had the same kind of damage on the 1971 I got from Reed in Washington State, except it was on the driver's side.  The body man somehow heated it and pushed it out, just used a little bondo to make the repair complete.  It's invisible now.  Yours is looking good, keep up the good work.
Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Lookin' GOOD!!!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Dave, one word to describe the repair so far... WOW!  :hypno: Looks like she is gonna look as nice, if not nicer in that spot than she did before.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Picked up the Pony from Kevin (body work guy) in Emmett, he got the body work done, primered and 99.9% light sanded. He even washed it for me! ;D

He had to take the bumper off and both tail lights so he could eyeball exactly how the other side looked, as well as get below the bumper where it had been pushed in a bit. Wish I could have seen the car with the rear off, as I've never taken the rear bumper off before, only the front. That will happen another day, when I decide to buff it up real good.

The body lines were reproduced with FANTASTIC results, and I'm VERY happy with his work. I would highly recommend him to anyone locally.

This up coming Saturday I will meet them at the car show, then follow Kevin's dad out to his body shop here in Boise afterwards so Kevin can finish the itty bitty bit of light sanding and so the car can be shot with paint and clear coat. Then Sunday evening I will pick the car up and it will be all better again! :D

My Pinto says hi and that she's feeling better from here little incident, and wishes all the other ponies and their owners a safe and happy summer! :)

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Sent the car down to Emmett to have body work done this morning. Dropped by the Burger Time car show to check up with the guy who is doing it. Said he got it all done and it's nice and straight again, all he needs to do is put the bumper and taillights back on and I can come pick up the car tomorrow evening. So far it's just bondo'd and primered, so next Saturday I will have it painted locally in Boise. Almost done!!!

Haven't had much time to be around these parts, but I'm dropping by now and then to update on tid bits. I'll attempt to get pictures up, but no promises.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Thanks for the motivation guys! You might not believe how much it helps me stay on the bright side of things. :)

Still needs to be straightened around the back and on the curve there, then body filled for perfection. I'm seriously thinking of doing the body work part on my own and letting the other guys just cover the painting part, as I have no clue how to blend.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Dave,
Looks like you're on the right track... keep up the good work!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

75bobcatv6

a little more work and it would be about perfect.. nice job.

r4pinto

Dave, that doesn't look half bad. Nice job there boss.  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

I decided to attempt a little bit of dent removal with my own two hands, and it actually came out really well! The only area of concern is the quarter panel around the taillight lens, it still sticks out a little bit. Here's how it looks now.

EDIT: Added a photo for comparison
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Just got back from the Paint shop and they got me the price on the paint. A pint of it will be $50.95 + tax, which comes out to $54.01.

$354.01 for the total repair isn't too bad! Now I just wait for the body work guy to call me and give the okay to bring the car by and we'll just have to wait and see how good of a job they really do. :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Well, regardless to the damage. it still got a lot of attention at the car show Saturday. :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

78txpony

Both of mine were bashed by incompetent dallas drivers, both times in parking lots when my sister drove the car...
Solution - don't go shopping...  :lol:

Dave, I am glad to hear damage was minor and the car is drivable.  I hope it all works out in your favor!
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
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popbumper

Quote from: beegle55 on May 16, 2009, 10:09:29 AM
Better watch out everyone... people tend to like Pinto's right rear quarters...  :cheesy_p:

   -beegle55

I'd say you are 100% correct on that. I my case, I bought my wagon with damage to BOTH rear quarter panels - and yes, the right one is worse than the left!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

71pintoracer

Quote from: r4pinto on May 17, 2009, 08:58:58 AM
Hmm... 71pintoracer, that's a great point. Are there any driving limitations with the collector car insurance you are referring to?
NO driving restrictions at all!! The only requirement is it has to be stored in a garage of some sort. When I first got the insurance my "garage" was a simple pole barn type building with wooden sides and a tin roof. It did provide shelter from the weather though. There is another company called Haggarty Collector Car Insurance. I think they are pretty close to the same, you can google to find out info on either one. Basicly you fill out a form listing restoration, mods ect., pics of the car and what you think the value is. They evaluate everything and let you know if they agree on the value. 
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

phils toys

R4pinto
I haved jc taylor insurance on my cars (bobcat and maverick) the cost is greatly reduced but there are restrictions on what you can do
milage is limited to 3000 a year (if i were to go cross country i could let them know and  the would make exception)
not suppoed to go to major parking lot  unless it is the show or have proof it was on the way to or from a show
not allowed to be my daily driver
there are a few more  but i dont rember  all of them
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

r4pinto

Hmm... 71pintoracer, that's a great point. Are there any driving limitations with the collector car insurance you are referring to?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

71pintoracer

Luckily it's not too bad but it still gives you that sick feeling!  :P Glad to hear that it is working out OK.
Somewhere else there is a post about insuring your beloved Pinto for its actual worth, if you just have "standard" insurance and someone wrinkles the fender your car could be totaled by their insurance company.
I mean, in reality, what is a '70's Pinto worth (to them)? And they don't play the "fix it or replace it" game, they don't care! And if you take the settlement and keep your "totaled" car you may end up with a branded title. This may also hold true for your own insurance company, the most State Farm would insure mine for was 2200. I ended up getting collector car insurance with Grundy International, I valued the car at $10,000 and they approved it without a problem! It's even cheaper than what I was paying and has a 0 deductible.
Heaven forbid that my car get totaled, but can you imagine someone's insurance company getting a $10,000 claim for a '71 Pinto? That would raise some eyebrows!!  :o


If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

dave1987

I agree r4, I have always thought that maybe I should just store it and bring it out now and then for a cruise and car shows while I drive my Saturn primarily. I just can't break my self down to almost never driving her. She's the most interesting, stubborn, fun and attentive ride I've driven and seen on the road and can't give up the joy I gain from using her as my daily driver! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

I'm beginning to think it's not a bad thing my Pinto is immobile. Maybe I should leave her that way  :D

All joking aside, glad to hear how your car will be getting all fixed up. Hope she turns out the way you want her to.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

 :lol: so true Phil!  :lol:

beegle, that was one of the first thoughts through my mine...."Didn't this this happen to beegle in the car club?!?".  :P ;)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

beegle55

Better watch out everyone... people tend to like Pinto's right rear quarters...  :cheesy_p:

   -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
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1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

phils toys

one more good thing the yellow line will be gone sooner


:lol:
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

dave1987

Well, my good car friend Sherry from work has a cousin who does has done the body work on their entire family's car restorations. Their fully restored 62 Impala, her 78 Chevy short bed, his Chevelle, and her uncle's 66 Mustang Coupe. He does fabulous work from what I have seen on their cars at the car show.

Well, Sherry said her cousin would gladly do the work on the car (she forwarded some pictures of the damage to him), for around $200 or so, and even paint it! I would just have to go get the paint and obtain the cash from the fellow who hit me. Easy enough 'eh? I knew something good would come from me leaving McDonalds! Like I believe, there's a good reason for everything bad that happens! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Dave,
So sorry about the damage to your Pinto.  I like your attitude, though, and I hope everything works out as well as you think it will.  It's hard to say... I've had it go both ways.  Many years ago a co-worker backed into my car.  Like your fellow, he had no insurance but claimed responsibility and offered to make payments to cover the damage.  I figured that was safe since we worked for the same company.  He made one payment, then quit his job and stiffed me for the rest of it.  I had to go to court and get a judgement against him to finally get my money!  On another occasion, however, my former wife (who was driving our brand new Cadillac) was hit from behind by an elderly driver (bent the rear bumper and decklid, and broke both tailights).  He begged her not to involve the police or his insurance company because his kids would use it as ammunition to take his driver's license away.  He swore he would make everything right if she'd simply give him her name and address.  She agreed without consulting me (I would have balked based on the previous experience) and two days later we received a check for a tad more than the car had cost us new!  I called to tell him that we couldn't accept such a ridiculous amount and he said it was well worth it to him and that he would be eternally thankful for our kindness.  We paid off our car loan in full, had the damage repaired, and still had a little left over to stick in the bank.  So... like I said, you just never know!  Here's wishing you the best of luck!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.