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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project "COSTELL0" 1977 Wagon

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blupinto

Hi Alberto!

Wow- you're younger than me! lol.  I graduated in '91, when I actually had a blue Pinto. Yes, the '74 has factory a/c but it needs retrofitting and a recharge (abd a belt! lol.) Tell the family hi for me. Believe me, the pleasure of meeting you and your dear ones was mine!  ;D I would love to cruise!
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pintopower

Well, in person the gloss is "ok" I still need to color sand the car after I finish assembly.
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

r4pinto

I really like that color. It amazes me how glossy the paint is. Almost looks like if I look hard enough I could see myself in the pic  ::) :lol:

I will add that color to the list of possible shades for mine  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pintopower

Well, Veronica is home! My sister (sirhugh) and I have been very excited about this project. Veronica has been pushed aside for over a decade so we are thrilled to get her together.

The complete front end has been installed and aligned. This is the first time she has a complete front end since 1995 when the previous owner wrecked her.

Note the white pinto to the right of the photo





As for the engine, it has all been torqued and just need a water test and then an oil pan. After that, it goes in!




I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

Phil, Thanks! My red pinto is my First car. She's a mess of bondo and bad panel gaps, but she goes everywhere I do! I got her painted for $1000 in 1998 when I graduated highschool. Just drove her to Yosemite!



and when I drove her to Oklahoma:


Yea, she's been around...

Becky,
Anytime! You were a pleasure to meet at Knotts! We will plan a run out here pretty soon! See you there! Your 74 has factory A/C right? It's a neat car!

Becky and r4pinto,
The color is Ford L5 Azure Blue. Its for the Mustang Mach 1.







I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

blupinto

Did you explain to me already why not her original color (saddle bronze metallic)? That pic of HII that shows on your posts inspires me. She looks like the younger sister of mine. Oh. Maybe that's why... ::)
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Hmmm.. That's a possibility for Harold II. Still trying to decide what color to paint her in.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

It looks like Grabber or Ford blue.
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

That does it... That's the last time I agree with a single girl from california  :evil: :lol:

OMG.. I'm sorry, did I say that out loud?  :devil:

Back to the subject.. I like that color blue you have on there. What shade of blue would that be?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

You mean they have Maacos there in Podunk Ohio?  :amazed: ::) ;D Just kidding. Hey! Stop throwing that rotten food!  :tgif: Thank goodness it's funky!  :cheesy_p: :reek: :P
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Quote from: blupinto on June 19, 2009, 03:06:53 PM
The last (and really only ) time I ever saw a Squire sedan or cooupe was in the very late '70s-early '80s in my hometown of San Diego. I remember really wanting it! Looooooooong before I could even drive! What a treat to see yours?

And thanks for the compliment Alberto! It was a pleasure meeting you and your family! You can restore my '74 anytime! lol. Like I said, you know your stuff. Seeing your work on this latest baby, I don't think Maaco or any others could give mine the same care as you did yours.

I gotta agree with you again Becky.. Only thing is There's nobody I know that can paint the car. I'm gonna end up either getting a maaco job or do it myself, and that will be an adventure in its own.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

The last (and really only ) time I ever saw a Squire sedan or cooupe was in the very late '70s-early '80s in my hometown of San Diego. I remember really wanting it! Looooooooong before I could even drive! What a treat to see yours?

And thanks for the compliment Alberto! It was a pleasure meeting you and your family! You can restore my '74 anytime! lol. Like I said, you know your stuff. Seeing your work on this latest baby, I don't think Maaco or any others could give mine the same care as you did yours.
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

pinto power if you need i have the Villager markings for the wagon that would work on the hatch =)

phils toys

I have to agree the mini cat is my favorite (mini version of mine) from what i know the only year for the sedan woody was 76 . I realy like the red one  i have seen on the net a few times.
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pintopower

Why thank you dear! I really do love your little brown 74 too! 74 is my FAVORITE YEAR!
Any way... the rarity of the squire or villager coupe is why I bought it. Actually, I wanted a Bobcat, and I wanted a hatchback, and I wanted a squire. Then I found that and I couldn't believe it! It does not say villager on the rear from factory. I do know that it was a one year only option. I think there is a CLEAN yellow pinto squire hatchback back east that someone here owns and a perfect red bobcat villager hatchback in arizona that belonged to a friend of a friend. Other than those two, I don't know of any. It is a neat car but a total mess. It needs a full resto!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

blupinto

I haven't seen a Squire (or Villager) sedan in forever! Does that Bobcat's rear say Villager or was that for the woody Bobcat wagons? Your other babies look great Alberto! You know your stuff!
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pintopower

The tail lights have been restored. The cars trim will all be medium charcoal metallic. Hence the tail lights.
Before

After


The black-out windows. Note, B-window trim is getting painted low gloss black.


I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

Way ahead of you....


Plus there's this one too...


And this...


And lets not forget the next project...


I think I have a nice sampling...
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

75bobcatv6

two different sides of a spectrum ? nice red and blue. now you need a white one?

Pintopower

So I stopped by the shop today to drop off the tinted windows and my windshield. I drove there in my red pinto and noticed quite the contrast!


Any way, I got the heads from the shop today. I painted them and now I am finishing up the engine build. It is old Ford blue with a portion of the head shot with BBQ paint. Any one with a V6 knows that the heads where the exhaust manifold bolts up always fries the paint. This should remedy that.






This is a shot of my 316L Stainless steel bolt kit for the water pump. Along with chemical flushes on all my engines every two years and the use of sacrificial anode radiator caps, the stainless kit will ensure that the thermostat housing bolts NEVER corrode and snap. They will not gall as the torque rating is 12 ft-lbs. I use these on ALL my V6's.






I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

75bobcatv6

i like the contrast man, its very Unique

Pintopower

OK, the exterior is done, so I went in an masked the black hood stripe and the window trim. I also shot the other parts. Take note of the contrast of interior/exterior colors. I am very happy with it!










I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

75bobcatv6

with how that looks id pay ya to do mine. but i am already workin a deal out with Auto Body World out here, im hoping they will cut the cost in half if i let them put a 6 in graphic for thier company on the cars Hatch.

Pintopower

75bobcatv6,

I'm in SoCal but the shop is not mine. Its a body shop that I use. I know the owner well and he lets me do a lil something on the side! Thanks for the kind words about the paint. It is a simple low cost job. It's all about the prep. It will look great but would've cost a decent body shop about 2k to do. That's my max on a paint job. I drive my cars!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

75bobcatv6

Where are you and your shop located? I might just have to drive my car up there. DAMN thats a nice paint job, and a very nice car!

Pintopower

Since my last installment, I have completed the body work on the car and stripped it back down to its original paint. The body hid some problems and some bad body work. The rear right quarter panel had been hit and was all bondo. It was stripped down and straightened out much better. The front passenger fender needed work and the hood got replaced. There was zero damage in the doors (or rust for that matter) and the hatch needed minor work.

Note, the Pinto on the left belongs to one of the fp.com people who is a close friend of mine. It just got painted its original white. It's a 77 V6 like mine!









After all that work, we pushed her into the paint booth and I got my trusty paint gun and I painted her. Yes I did. Rented the booth from my buddy and that was that! She came out great if I say so myself which I do.







As for the engine... It had been disassembled and sent to my machine shop. The heads are getting rebuilt and the bottom end balanced. The driveshaft is getting rebuilt and balanced. The engine will be shot old ford blue.







It all went to the shop in the Pangra. Yes, I used the Pangra to take all of this to the shop. Why U ask? Well, I used my red 79 to haul all of the 80 wagons crap to the shop and my Yellow 80 to haul all the Pangras crap to the shop so it was the Pangras turn now. No free rides at my house!



More to come....


I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Srt

".....Every flaw is me, and every thing perfect is me. I can live with that...."

and in my opinion that's the way it should be.  i don't htink you'll get any flak from anyone here about that.
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

75bobcatv6

havent had time to take pics yet but im getting htere lol.. Kids keep me busy, so does work and friends.

Pintopower

That dash color combo sounds nice! I would love to see that! I am glad I god you motivated! Just wait until I post what I have done now!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.