Mini Classifieds

1973 Pinto Runabout

Date: 03/25/2019 09:02 pm
TWM Intake
Date: 08/15/2018 08:20 pm
Wanted 1971-73 pinto 2.0 4 speed manual transmission
Date: 03/06/2019 06:40 pm
need 1978 pinto guage cluster
Date: 03/07/2021 07:35 am
Ford Speedometer Hall-Effect sensor with 6 foot speedometer cable

Date: 12/30/2022 01:30 pm
Modine 427 Pinto Bobcat V6 Radiator appears new

Date: 09/17/2024 12:35 pm
1980 Pinto-Shay for sale

Date: 07/07/2016 01:21 pm
Wagon hatch letters
Date: 12/31/2023 04:24 pm
pinto parts for sale
Date: 07/25/2018 04:51 pm

Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

Members
  • Total Members: 7,895
  • Latest: tdok
Stats
  • Total Posts: 139,581
  • Total Topics: 16,270
  • Online today: 1,293
  • Online ever: 3,214 (June 20, 2025, 10:48:59 AM)
Users Online
  • Users: 0
  • Guests: 1084
  • Total: 1084
F&I...more

My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

ford-pinto.jpg

I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Junkyarding is a BLAST

Started by popbumper, April 18, 2009, 09:03:12 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

78txpony

UPDATED!

This car has been slated for the crusher by May 9th, so if you want anything, either visit the yard in person, OR let me know and I will see if I can get it for you.
I do not mind shipping stuff to serious buyers.  I cannot bring back an engine or tranny though... (no truck)

Car is Located at:
LKQ Salvage #240
8835 South Central Expressway
Dallas, TX, 75241
PH 214-375-5555


We had already stripped many parts from this one but some good stuff is left, such as:
Front Sway bar & mounts
Factory A/C box and ducts
bumper filler strips
two rear windows
complete V6 engine (no, I am not able to pull it or transport it)
good red cloth (redone) seats & tracks
power brake booster

I already pulled the following, which IS available for anyone who need them:
VERY low-rust doors (sans mirrors) with hinges, right fender, hood hinges, factory AM radio, coolant jug, rear hatch assy, A/C controls and console, parking brake lever, shifter knob, engine flex fan, rear shocks, and usable 1976 dash cluster and I will part with anything from these that you need to help you in your project.
Just let me know via PM or email.
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

75bobcatv6

man that's a lot of goodies good Job guys too bad you couldn't save more

popbumper

Yesterday was a good day. Rob (78TXPONY) and I took a drive back to visit "our" little '78. She was kind enough to wait on us, having allowed only an unknown suitor managed to talk her out of a radiator while we were away.

The weather was nearly IDENTICAL to last Saturday - cool and overcast, but DRY this time (read NO mud). The goal for the day? Decide what else could be salvaged from this very nice fully optioned car.

My goal: Pull the 8" rear end. Rob and I decided to tackle it from both sides of the car, as the car was conveniently lifted off the ground. While I easily broke the U-bolt nuts on the passenger side, Rob groaned and moaned about how hard his were to pry loose. He left one for me. He was right... :lost:. BTW, for those intersted - the floors were SHOT, replete with bad homemade patches all over the place. It would have taken a LOT of work to make it right.

While the rear end did >not< turn out to be limited slip, it was still equipped with 3:40 gears (nicccce), and will find a new home under my wagon. I plan to completely strip it down, paint or powder coat it, and do all the other nice things to completely restore it. There was a guy who actually walked by and asked about it...he was upset he did not get to it first  :lol:.

Robs goal: Well, Rob sees >potential< (read: he has storage room), so he went for the big fix - fenders, doors, speaker bracket, sending unit, rear taillight housing, and a handful of other manageable goodies. Want parts? Talk to Rob, he may be able to help.

Now, the poor car sits like a turkey carcass, with a few choice morsels left. Sadly, many of these goodies could still be used - we really wished we could have the whole thing. V6 motor, auto tranny, springs, seats, steering wheel, heat/air console, complete factory air setup, power brake setup, good glass hatch with working pistons, drive shaft, sway bar, etc.

Even more sadly, while checking out, Rob told the folks behind the counter we were interested in getting more. Turns out that the row of cars the Pinto was in was slated to be crushed THIS WEEK - oh my, I can't tell you how fortunate we feel that we got there when we did, and got as much as we did. Was it enough? :rolleye:

That's all for now. If there's anything else to tell, I will tell it when it happens. IF you are needing any specific parts, let one of us know, we MAY be able to get out again and pull a few more items before this car, like so many untold others, meets its fate. It's a real shame so few are left, and they have to die, so others can live.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78squirewagon

COOL. I have another gas cap coming but I can always use a spare  ;D


THANKS!!!!
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

78txpony

QuoteIf you were closer to WI, I could use those doors for my 78 coupe/hatchback. Even if the window cranks are pitted, I could use one and I definitly need the gas cap. Even if you keep a nice one and sell me a pitted one, I could use it because it will get painted anyway
I will add gas cap and window cranks to the list and I can ship 'em to you if you want.  I can send pics first. 
I can see saving a lot stuff off of there to sell on to people who need them, instead of having them destroyed.
I will let you knoew when I get 'em.
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

dave1987

I am still waiting for my regular yard to bring another Pinto in. I am still pulling odds and ends off of the 77 Bobcat wagon that they pulled out there in July last year. Not much left of it's interior, but still all of the drive-train in it.

Darn, you snagged the fender plug I've been looking for! :P
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

78squirewagon

If you were closer to WI, I could use those doors for my 78 coupe/hatchback. Even if the window cranks are pitted, I could use one and I definitly need the gas cap. Even if you keep a nice one and sell me a pitted one, I could use it because it will get painted anyway.

It's a true shame that the whole car could not be saved but it looks like a lot of people here are going to benifit from it.
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

75bobcatv6

Quote from: TIGGER on April 19, 2009, 12:34:08 AM
I thought so too but the 79 V6 hatchback I have currently does not.  I guess it could have been replaced by a previous owner though.
More then likely what happened. Every v6 i have come across has had the 8in rear in it. 79 the might have used the 6.75 but i doubt it.

Quote from: 78txpony on April 19, 2009, 01:42:57 AM
Chris,

Good shot of me hard at work...  :D
I do have to say that was the perfect day to work out there - we even had all the right tools!  I enjoyed it.
I could not believe how big a pain those headlight-parking light assemblies were to get off...

I do still want the drivers side fender, both mirrors, and the rear left tail light.  If they can cut out the left rear quarter, I will get that too. 
Chris had already claimed the rear end along with the engine and tranny and A/C system.

The doors and passenger fender are dent free, but have to check on rust.  The all-glass heated hatch is there, so is the sunroof!  All seats are very good; red in color. Bumpers are badly scratched up everywhere.  Door trim and door panels are nice. Window cranks were pitted. Nice chrome gas cap was there.

The dash cluster is pretty much intact, but in some areas the crumbling has began.  If anyone can use it, let me know as I got it to pass on to someone who needs it. 
If anyone needs a stock AM radio, let me know as i might not use it afterall.  I need to test it this week.

This was one well-optioned Pinto... I wish it could have been saved.... :'(
However, it looks like we we might have it stripped down to a turkey carcass before it's all over... :amazed:

Glad you guys got so much of whats needed, and hopefully tho it cannot be saved it will get parted out before it see's that car Crusher. Ive been to every Junkyard in the Phoenix Mesa and Apache juntion area's and nothing not even a Mustang II to speak of.

78txpony

Chris,

Good shot of me hard at work...  :D
I do have to say that was the perfect day to work out there - we even had all the right tools!  I enjoyed it.
I could not believe how big a pain those headlight-parking light assemblies were to get off...

I do still want the drivers side fender, both mirrors, and the rear left tail light.  If they can cut out the left rear quarter, I will get that too. 
Chris had already claimed the rear end along with the engine and tranny and A/C system.

The doors and passenger fender are dent free, but have to check on rust.  The all-glass heated hatch is there, so is the sunroof!  All seats are very good; red in color. Bumpers are badly scratched up everywhere.  Door trim and door panels are nice. Window cranks were pitted. Nice chrome gas cap was there.

The dash cluster is pretty much intact, but in some areas the crumbling has began.  If anyone can use it, let me know as I got it to pass on to someone who needs it. 
If anyone needs a stock AM radio, let me know as i might not use it afterall.  I need to test it this week.

This was one well-optioned Pinto... I wish it could have been saved.... :'(
However, it looks like we we might have it stripped down to a turkey carcass before it's all over... :amazed:
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

TIGGER

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on April 19, 2009, 12:18:36 AM
I believe that all v6 models had the 8in rear end
I thought so too but the 79 V6 hatchback I have currently does not.  I guess it could have been replaced by a previous owner though.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

75bobcatv6

I believe that all v6 models had the 8in rear end

78squirewagon

Let's see, the sport mirrors, gas cap, AC compressor, window crank, lots of stuff I could use for my V6 wagon  ;D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

Pinturbo75

being a late v6 car does it have a 8" in it?
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

popbumper

Call me - seriously. I can help. I need to talk to you anyway.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

FCANON

I see parts I need....

FrankBoss
www.pintoworks.com   www.tirestopinc.com
www.stophumpingmytown.com
www.FrankBoss.com

turbopinto72

Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

popbumper

Today was a good day. This morning, 78TXPONY and I took a drive to a junkyard, and found us a, well, "gold mine" of sorts.

Setting the scene, the day was overcast, but pleasant - about 71 degrees - PERFECT. No wind; yesterday was a deluge of rain, and it was a bit muddy, but nothing to be concerned about. We took plenty of tools, and headed for the one and only Pinto on the yard - a '78 hatch that had JUST been pulled in there, and was complete, except for the rack and pinion unit.

This car was a FULLY OPTIONED sport package - V6, painted rally wheels, factory A/C, PS, PB. Amazing. Condition? Standard for a 31 year old car, a bit of bondo, faded paint, tore up interior, standard issues. BUT - it still had valid inspection stickers, the insurance info of the owner was in the car, and it looks like it might have been driven in. New tranny coolant lines, and new rear long exhaust pipe. Interesting....

Since Rob (78TXpony) HAS a vanilla 78 sedan with some body damage, he went after cosmetic goodies and some of the options. Our carry for the day?

Rob took....

Radio
Antenna
Headlight urethane assemblies
Dash cluster
Full hood/hinges

I took....

Inner fender seal beneath the brake master cylinder
Rally wheels - complete with caps

His out the door cost was $140, mine was $144. The wheels need some serious attention (bead blasting and refinish, caps rechromed), but the tires were good with reasonable tread, and I'm happy with the overall condition (besides, I wanted these for my wagon).

A shame, really, they probably got this car for pennies and it really is restorable...BUT, they do NOT sell whole cars, salvage only. One must die for others to live.

We will go back and get more - very soon. I am thinking of upgrading to a V6, myself, and he is looking for better fenders and doors....

Chris

Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08