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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Junkyarding is a BLAST

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popbumper

Hey Rob:

  Check out the pics of the sandblasted dash from that '78 in my restoration thread! Can't wait to get it done!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

From complete driver to turkey carcass in about 12 hours...  ::)  
Too bad they would not seel the whole thing, but the floorboards were rusted through.

Never thought of WD40 for wasp killer...  I used it to start camp fires though!  
Yea, the parts on that car were too good and rare to be made into new crap cars.  I am saving the front end for if my car ever gets restored.  The rest, I hope to see to those in need for their projects.  

Rain here is rare, esp. int he summer. We were at the yard during TX's only rainy month.   By august, the ground may just crack open wide enough to swallow what was left of that car... :o
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

Pale Roader

You Ford guys have it lucky. Wasps LOOOOOOOOVE Mopars. I've got five vehicles in the yard and at any given time at least two ov 'em are a buzzin'. A can o brake-cleenz is the easy way out... instant death and they literally fall from the sky. I've gotten so used to dealing with these lil bastards (normally i'm pretty easy to get along with concerning nature, but when i get stung getting into MY OWN CAR... there will be blood) that now i find a nest i just swat the thing and wade into it with whatever i have in hand. I'm getting pretty good at it too, hundreds ov dead wasps, a lovely collection ov old nests and i haven't been stung since that first time. The neighbors must get a kick outta me battling 'invisible enemies' every now and then. I'm told it looks pretty funny...

Cant believe you guys... you stripped that pinto faster than pirahnas would strip a real pinto fallen into the Amazon... awesome.

And whats with the rain...??.?? I thought you lived in Texas...??..?? It doesn't rain in Texas...

pintoguy76

Make sure to take some WD40 or PB blaster with you when you goy to the junkyards. It helps not only to loosen bolts but also to spray wasps,yellow jackets, red jackets etc. One spray and they are done for. They can barely move and its only moments before they drop dead.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

Carolina Boy

Vacation? What's a vacation? I thought they were banned by Obamy
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

78txpony

You all are very welcome...  I was glad I could help you guys out with your projects, and that is a very good feeling. Pinto parts are difficult to come by thse days.
If you need anything else, just holler, expect during my vacation next week from 6-6 to 6-14... I will be Maine, touring the coast seeking lighthouses.  :D
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

Carolina Boy

My Thoughts too to 78TXpony. My parts came today too. I will do business with him again, that's fer sur!!!! ;D
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

78squirewagon

I just wanted to say i got my parts today and a BIG THANK YOU goes out to 78txpinto!!!!  ;D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

dave1987

You probably could have gone back to that 77/78 Pinto to pull it apart if you had frigged winters like we do. Bees and wasps hate the cold and they go into a "hibernation" state and barely move (they can't fly in freezing weather). That's how I pulled apart most of a 77 Bobcat with big wasps nests in the fenders.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

78txpony

Quote from: popbumper on May 18, 2009, 09:58:42 AM
As our hero wanders the relentless, savage ruins of ancient automobiles, what dangers will he face? Snakes? Scorpions? Giant mosquitos? Will he ever make it out alive, or will the threat of malaria cripple his adventure?
You failed to mention the elusive wasps and hornets that take over some of these cars...

About 12 years ago, I ran across a 1977 or 78 white Pinto sedan that had a great front end.  I wanted the front clip to eventually put on mine.  The car was sitting in 4' tall weeds, almost in a swamp.  No wonder the car was intact!  I made my way over to it, put my tool box on the fender, forced the door open, and popped the hood.  I then heard a faint hissing noise, but in a junk yard, strange noises are the norm.  As soon as i raised the hood, the hiss exploded into a roar as I was staring into a hornet nest about 18" around!   :o :o
I dropped the hood (the roar got MUCH louder as the nest probably fell), I grabbed my tool box, LEAPED across a swampy area and high-tailed on out of there, with hornets after me.  I was so lucky my tool box stayed closed...  I never went back there, so lots of good parts were lost...  :mad: 

BTW, yesterday I saw and Olds Achieva that was smashed up so much, I actually said out load "how the h*** did that happen!"  I shoulda smapped a picture.  It was partially wrapped with plastic to hold it together for its trip to the yard...
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

As our hero wanders the relentless, savage ruins of ancient automobiles, what dangers will he face? Snakes? Scorpions? Giant mosquitos? Will he ever make it out alive, or will the threat of malaria cripple his adventure?

Tune in next time for another exciting episode of "The TXPony Chronicles" ;D

(Cue orchestral music, in the vein of Indiana Jones).....

Chris

Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

The title of this thread should be that junkyarding is an ADVENTURE!

I returned to the yard Sunday afternoon. It was 78* and sunny this time, with little mud.  A black shirt was sure hot, but hides grease stains well.  I came home with a little burn, but not bad.   

I pulled the brake booster and outer glass hatch trim for forum members.  I could not get the brake lines, as I forgot my line wrenches.  Regular wrenches effortlessly rounded the fittings and there was too much grease there to even tell where the lines ran to anyways...

I also pulled the good front rubber bumper insert and the interior trim panels for under the rear hatch.  They did not show too much deterioration.  Lastly, I got the small rear cargo area access panels, but these need restoration (they were free.)
If anyone needs these, let me know because they are up for grabs. 

The condenser was bent in two areas and tons of fins would need straightening. Many were missing!  Giving the yard wanted almost 45 bucks for it, I left it.  My bet is that it would be leaky or at least weakened.

I then wandered around seeking cars with rearview mirrors with compasses, lights, and auto dim features.  This was difficult as the yard had a mid 90's upper limit.
After an hour of pushing tools and Pinto parts in a wheelbarrow, I finally ran across a 95 Caddy, much like my 97!  I grabbed its inside mirror and also the garage door opener module to use in one of my other vehicles. 
It also had a good power antenna (that I can see), so I grabbed it as the one in my Caddy recently broke.  This was the hardest part, as the trunk well was FULL of brown "water" that gave off a terrible stench...  After fighting the screws, battling the mosquitos that were breeding in there, I finally cut the wiring to get me out of there sooner.  I did drop a socket in that crap, but luckily I had gloves on to retrieve it.  Maybe  should have got the bose stereo system for the Pinto... :lol:
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

dholvrsn

'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
-----
'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

78txpony

I am rained out completely for Sat, but plan to go on Sunday instead. 

dholvrsn,
Were you still interested in the condenser? 

-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

Did not get that message, please resend. If it helps you, I will source some adequate shipping tubes and send them to you. I usually try and ship stuff Fedex ground - a 53" box (as an example, I ship stuff often) at a weight of 5-10 lbs runs anywhere in the $12-$15 range all over the country from Texas, so I don't think that will be an issue. Let me know. If you'd like, I can phone you.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

I thought I sent you a PM about them, including two links to pictures of them. If not, I will send you one again. They are expensive to ship, due to their length. :(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

popbumper

Dave:

  I have the whole dash in the back of my truck at this moment, and it has that "wood trim" piece on it. It is faded but complete. Find me that rocker molding, and I'll be sure you get the piece. ;D.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

If the dash wood grain trim and hardware above the glove box won't cost too much, I would be interested in that. I will be pulling my dash and replacing it with a better shape one this summer when I replace my windshield and will be cutting holes for the gauges again, but straight this time!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

78txpony

Quote from: dholvrsn on May 14, 2009, 02:13:59 PM
How about the price on the AC condensor if it's a factory AC?
Given the pricing sceme I am learning from there, it should be under 30 bucks. Shipping would prolly run about 13 or so.  Let me know if that is near your ballpark.

I will look it over real good and will not get it if i would not want it on my car. 

I might be rained out tomorrow, but if so I will go Monday or so after work. 
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

dholvrsn

How about the price on the AC condensor if it's a factory AC?
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
-----
'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

78txpony

Well, the 78 carcass is still there (what's left of it...)
I will make one last run this Sat AM (5-16) for the brake booster and rear hatch trim for forum members, plus some other goodies for myself. 

Last requests anyone?  Speak now or forever hold your desires!   ;D
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

A/C box? A/C box? We don't need no stinkin' A/C box... :showback:

Chris

PS - I can't imagine the SOUP that poor car is sitting in. All it's done the last few weeks is rain here, and it's POURING right now.

Man, this Global Warming is REALLY heating things up..... :cheesy_n:

Thanks Al Gore!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

Geez - I knew we should have grabbed that booster! 
I did not plan to go back there, but ~maybe~ this coming SAT (5-16) as I do need a rearview mirror from a GM car.
IF the Pinto is still there I will consider the trip...

Any last requests? 

Chris??
I think he still wants an A/C box...  ;D
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

PintoMikeyT21

Are you going to make another trip?  If so, I could use the brake booster.

Thanks,
Mike

dholvrsn

"Everything but the oink....."  ::)
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
-----
'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

78txpony

Here are some good before-and-after shots!  :lol:
Chris will post some better shots soon...
For those who emailed me about parts, i will be getting with you shortly with pictures of what I pulled. A big storm event had me packing stuff up before I could take pictures.  Other stuff I got but do not need will be listed in the classifieds soon.
In all, this was a lot of fun!  :drunk:
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

I am premature in posting again, but want to "bump" it - Rob and I made one last visit to the sad '78 this past weekend, right before the area got another 6-8" of rain. Timing is everything....

I pulled the dash off (which included the wiring harness and all the bezels/fuse box/trim), as well as the gas pedal assembly and brake pedal/bracket assembly. Rob snagged the steering column, rear glass hatch, heater + A/C control panel, bumpers, sill plates, shifter handle, emergency brake handle, kick panels, and a bunch of other loose stuff.

Pics later tonite. Aside from the heater, A/C box assembly, ductwork under the dash, wiper motor, seats (now soaked), engine, transmission, brake booster, exhaust system, rear springs, busted windshield, rear side markers, one broken rear taillight, rear view mirror, completely useless sloppily reglued and painted grille, and front suspension, the car is a carcass.

We done good. I sure would have liked to save it all..... ;D

Pics TONITE.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

Good news (kinda) on this car...

The 4"+ of rain has postponed this car's death, so it WILL be there this saturday (5-2). 
I called to verify.  They said it ~might~ be there the following saturday also.

Although i will need to navigate through some small lakes to get to it, it should be possible so I plan to go there that morning.
If anyone else needs anything (who has not contacted me yet), please do so before saturday (5-2). 

-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

78txpony

Mark,

I claimed the left tail light but I am willing to part with it if you do need it.  The plastic is VERY nice and the metal trim is covered with paint overspray.
The right light had a big crack in the BU light with some of the plastic chipped away.  If you still want it I can pull it.

I DO have your gas cap and one window handle - PM me your email addy and i will send you pics of them.  The chrome gas cap is CHERRY so it may not even be original...  The window handle cleaned up well and looks quite nice.  Just the knob is cracked but still intact.

I can grab the sill plates - I think they will clean up 'okay'. 
What is your friend look for on the dash?  There is a lot to strip and I can email you a picture of that cars dash.
We can talk the details through PM or email. 
Glad I can help!
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

78squirewagon

I could use both tail light assemblies. I think you have the gas cap and window crank handles for me already  ;D  Also I know someone that can use the dash trim (any pieces you can strip off of it) Also the door sill plates if they are still there. i wish i was there to strip that V-6 so that I have spare parts for my other wagon.

I will be more than happy to pay for shipping


Just let me know


Mark
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)