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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

A "Get Together", Same As Last year

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blupinto

How much farther do you need to go on Harold II? Aren't you almost done? Oh yeah... you're goofing off in the "pool" without your shorts.  :o ::) :D Aren't you glad I don't have unlimited means? I could come out and give you a bad time in person.  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Less than a month to go! Better get my butt in gear if Harold II is to get there.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

jimspinto

Quote from: r4pinto on June 01, 2009, 12:36:28 PM
What's the street address of the place? Figure that would be good to have for anyone like me that has GPS.

 Best of Show Automotive
 7700 Tyler Blvd.
 Mentor Ohio 44060  (there phone no. 440 350 1480)

Although this information is in an earlier post, there no problem repeating it.
There's a terrible amount of reading to find it, so it possibly Good to get it towards the end again.

Thanks for asking.......... Jim  

r4pinto

What's the street address of the place? Figure that would be good to have for anyone like me that has GPS.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

jimspinto

  Greetings....

 Yesterday I went the Best of Show Automotive's "Grand Opening" (for there new location)
 It was a Car Show, Grand Opening, everything rolled together.  There must of been 1,000 or more cars, but I couldn't find a single Pinto.  Man is it lonely up here at the top.

 Anyhow, I wanted to update (or correct) some of my previous information (directions)  They really aren't wrong, possibly a little vague.

 Re. When your exiting Rt.2 onto Rt.615
 I said it was maybe two or three lights to Tyler Blvd.
 Well its TWO, counting the light at the Rt.2 exit (Rt.2 east)
 Three, counting the light at Rt.2 (Rt.2 west)
 
 I hope this is understanding. Its just a short distance off Rt.2 to Tyler.  If you forget the light(s) for Rt.2, its the FIRST LIGHT.
Just look for the "Speedway Gas Station" (on the left) and turn Right on Tyler.

 Another thing I hadn't said......
 Best of Show is exactly 1.7 miles down Tyler.  There's a traffic light (the first light you come to) in front of there building.

 Nothing else to report, looking forward to the "meet" see you soon...... Jim at jimspinto  

r4pinto

Lol.. I get what you are saying. My car is a major rust bucket & I know it's like most the other Ohio Pintos on the road. It's sorta like my first Omni GLHT.. No floor.. Major rust to it. I bought a South Carolina GLHT to replace my old one. We're talking zero rust underneath the car. I can't get used to seeing an Omni with no rust underneath.

Oh well.. Looking forward to seeing other Ohio Pinto owners in July... hopefully with my Pinto.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

russosborne

Quote from: jimspinto on May 29, 2009, 07:33:35 AM
  Well I hope to see you !  I know the Pinto will be running, you cant hurt a Pinto (hee hee)

  Re. Your "Click"
  All Ford products can be covered by this explanation !

  A rapid clicking noise is caused by:
  #1, Dirty or bad connections at the battery (cables to battery connections)
  #2, A low or dead battery.  (but most likely the above)

  A single click (when you turn the key to start) is caused by:
  #1, A bad or dirty connection at the starter (cable to starter)
  #2, A bad starter (but most likely the above)

  I'm petty sure your "Click" problem is caused by "Bad connections"  Just remember the above, one click is at the starter, rapid clicking is at the battery.

  And be careful with that gas leak (fire & all)
  You could replace just the section that's leaking.  Just look for two good sections and cut out the rusted (or leaking) area.  Be sure to clamp off the rubber line (at the tank) with a "vice-grips" to stop the flow of gas.  Its an easy repair. I know from our conversations that your not mechanical, but both are quite simple jobs !

Again hope to see you,  Jim At jimspinto
Thanks.

It was just a single click. I am thinking probably the starter, since it has only done it the one time, and that would be the most expensive to replace. I have had a couple of problems with the solenoid, but that has always been sticking "on" and hitting it with a hammer takes care of that. :-)

Mechanical, yep, I certainly am. Problem is that the Pinto was engineered by someone who hated Ford and was trying to get back at them. Or at least that is how it seems to me.
I have had Mustangs, Rancheros, Torinos, a GTO, and misc other cars. And did all the work myself or with friends. I prefer by myself, but somethings just have to have more than one set of hands. This one is the worst I have had to work on.
Plus, I don't have the proper tools (tubing bender, double flare set, etc)or money to buy them for some stuff, like this leak. And having to do repairs vs upgrades is something that i have never enjoyed much, and the older I get the worse that gets.

So I am going to have to rubber hose it for now.

I just dread getting under the car. Not just this one, but all Ohio cars. Having spent most of my life in Phoenix, I just can't get used to seeing rust (and especially rotted steel brake/gas lines) and not thinking that the car is junk.

But I am looking forward to coming in July.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

jimspinto

Quote from: postalpony on May 28, 2009, 09:21:16 PM

 Hey Jim 'old' friend, how are you holding up?

 Sorry that I haven't been in touch for a while--you understand I hope.

 I have made a few changes to "Postalpony".  A 3.80 gear, a new SVO T5

 trans & Hurst billet shifter, I revamped the exhaust to exit at rear,

 installed high back racing seats, & installed American Racing Outlaw II

 14X7 with P215 60 14 Indy 500 Firehawks.

 Iam planning on being there if all works out!!

                      Hope to see everyone in July   Dick

 WOW, Your really turning that Pinto into a "Race Car" it'll great to see it !

Re "Planning to be there"  
 LISTEN UP !  You have no choice, your not going to leave me to represent the "Red Necks" all by myself are you ?

 Talk to you then. You'll (and everyone else) will love this location, they have some beautiful (high buck) cars.

 Jim at jimspinto (Representing America One Hillbilly At A Time.  And I'm from Boston !)

jimspinto

Quote from: russosborne on May 28, 2009, 05:08:01 PM
Well, I plan on being there assuming the Pinto is still running. Got to replace the fuel line, but I am running with a gas leak now, so that shouldn't matter.  :o Actually, planning on running a rubber gas line for now til I can get the money to buy the tools to run a new steel line. It didn't want to start today, just went click, but then it fired right up. Hopefully that isn't going to be a problem, can't afford to replace anything else right now.

Pinto plus gas leak. Boy, the looks on people's faces.  :lol:

Russ

  Well I hope to see you !  I know the Pinto will be running, you cant hurt a Pinto (hee hee)

  Re. Your "Click"
  All Ford products can be covered by this explanation !

  A rapid clicking noise is caused by:
  #1, Dirty or bad connections at the battery (cables to battery connections)
  #2, A low or dead battery.  (but most likely the above)

  A single click (when you turn the key to start) is caused by:
  #1, A bad or dirty connection at the starter (cable to starter)
  #2, A bad starter (but most likely the above)

  I'm petty sure your "Click" problem is caused by "Bad connections"  Just remember the above, one click is at the starter, rapid clicking is at the battery.

  And be careful with that gas leak (fire & all)
  You could replace just the section that's leaking.  Just look for two good sections and cut out the rusted (or leaking) area.  Be sure to clamp off the rubber line (at the tank) with a "vice-grips" to stop the flow of gas.  Its an easy repair. I know from our conversations that your not mechanical, but both are quite simple jobs !

Again hope to see you,  Jim At jimspinto

postalpony



  Hey Jim 'old' friend, how are you holding up?

  Sorry that I haven't been in touch for a while--you understand I hope.

  I have made a few changes to "Postalpony".  A 3.80 gear, a new SVO T5

  trans & Hurst billet shifter, I revamped the exhaust to exit at rear,

  installed high back racing seats, & installed American Racing Outlaw II

  14X7 with P215 60 14 Indy 500 Firehawks.

  Iam planning on being there if all works out!!

                       Hope to see everyone in July   Dick
1980 Hatchback was a "Postal Unit" on the
west coast in it's early life. Now residing
in Ohio, But we don't haul the U.S. Mail anymore;
Now all we do is HAUL!
5th gear 4700 rpm & still pullin'= 113+  mph

UPDATE-83.762 mph in 4th gear As verified by a W Va State Trooper-WITH 1 GEAR TO GO 6-2-11

russosborne

Well, I plan on being there assuming the Pinto is still running. Got to replace the fuel line, but I am running with a gas leak now, so that shouldn't matter.  :o Actually, planning on running a rubber gas line for now til I can get the money to buy the tools to run a new steel line. It didn't want to start today, just went click, but then it fired right up. Hopefully that isn't going to be a problem, can't afford to replace anything else right now.

Pinto plus gas leak. Boy, the looks on people's faces.  :lol:

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

jimspinto

Quote from: r4pinto on May 28, 2009, 12:08:29 PM
I am committed, and I don't mean my state of mind either lol. I will see you on July 11th, at this rate with my Pinto. It will be so wierd to drive that car after it has sat for so long. So count me towards a window sticker  ;D

This is gonna be a blast!

 Thanks, marked your name down !  Send me an Email Address.......

  jimsfinefords@yahoo.com  should you (or anybody else) want to contact me.

  best as always...........  Jim

r4pinto

I am committed, and I don't mean my state of mind either lol. I will see you on July 11th, at this rate with my Pinto. It will be so wierd to drive that car after it has sat for so long. So count me towards a window sticker  ;D

This is gonna be a blast!
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

jimspinto

  Hello All !

 Its been a few weeks, but I haven't been sitting still.  It seems ever sense I retired, I don't have enough time to get things done, don't know how I did anything when I was working.

 Just wanted to update you with this information.  I'll also take this opportunity to give you some general directions.

 LOCATION:
 Best of Show Automotive
 7700 Tyler Blvd.
 Mentor Ohio 44060 (there phone no.  440 350 1480)

 TIME:
 This isn't the Army, I'll will be there at about 10am waiting for you.
 Best of Show closes at about 5 or 6 pm, but again we are using to parking lot, and are not subject to whatever they do.  So there isn't any ending time eather.
 The way I fell is......  Its your "Get Together" you set the rules.
 Whatever the majority wants, that's what we do.  I will try to see to it that there are plenty of options and things to do.
  However,  Saturday July 11th. Starting at 10am going until "The Cows come Home"

 Directions:
 There are of course all the major highways, Interstates & the Ohio Turn Pike.
 They all intersect (somewhat) with each other.  I'm sure if you could get to I90 and/or Rt.2 you shouldn't need anything else from me.  But please send me a message if you need futher information.

 Interstate 90 to Rt.615
 Exit at Rt.615 and go North for about two miles to Tyler Blvd.  There's a traffic light and a Speedway Gas Station at Rt.615 & Tyler Blvd.  Turn LEFT (west) and go to 7700.  Watch for the "Ford Pinto" sign.

 Rt.2 to Rt.615
 Exit at Rt.615 and go SOUTH for about 1/4 mile (two maybe three lights)to Tyler Blvd.  Again there a traffic light & Speedway Gas Station on the corner.  Turn Right (west) go to 7700.  Watch for the "Ford Pinto" sign.

 Again your going to go west on Tyler.  Left when heading North (off I90)
 Right when heading south (off Rt.2)

 As in the past, if you have anything you'd like to "Swap" please bring it along.  The objective here is to HAVE FUN !

 Another thing, Frank Canon has agreed to make up the "Window Stickers.
 It'd be nice if I could give him a count, so I guess I need a commitment (if possible)

 Its just over a month (July 11th)  I'm looking forward to seeing you, I cant wait.
 My cell number (should you need anything)  is 440 591 8381

 See you soon,  Jim at jimspinto

 PS... As "postalpony" (Dick) can tell you, theres plenty of Motels in Mentor.  But the most reasonable (cheepest) seems to be Red Roof Inn.
 I can give you any help you want with this, but suggest you "Google" Motels.
 And again, should anyone want, I have "Guest Space" over my garage.  First come first serve.
 He** everyone use it, sleep on the floor if you want.  

jimspinto

Quote from: r4pinto on May 06, 2009, 04:22:15 PM
A little more than two months till the meet & I am looking forward to it. I just keep truking along on my car so she will be ready for the road.

  Yea, me to !
 
  As I'd said (in another post) I purchased another car, and I've been working almost nonstop at building a garage.  At the moment it sits outside, and that's annoying the h*** out of me.

  I'm making progress, sure hope you are !  Look forward to seeing you AND ALL.... Jim at jimspinto

r4pinto

A little more than two months till the meet & I am looking forward to it. I just keep truking along on my car so she will be ready for the road.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

jimspinto

Quote from: russosborne on April 29, 2009, 06:44:49 PM
Jim, do you have the new address yet for the get together?
Thanks,
Russ
...............................................................................................

  Yes I do !
  The thing I haven't done though is to drive over there, for the perpose of directions.

  There (new) address is.....
  Best of Show Automotive
  7700 Tyler Blvd.
  Mentor Ohio

  There phone number is 440 350 1480  and while I'm posting this, mine is 440 591 8381

  I wanted to (and will) get better directions then this.
  I've driven to this area 100's if not 1000's of time, as there's a cruise that happens every weekend, not far from Best of Show Automotive, and Tyler Blvd.

  So, for now I'm going to do this from memory.  I doubt I will do better when I drive over there, but here it is (from memory)

  Tyler Blvd. is off Rt 615,  Rt 615 is off Rt 2
  Rt 2 is a limited access highway, much the same as any interstate.
  Rt 615 is also called Center Street (in Mentor Ohio)

  If your driving on Rt 2 (heading eather east or west) you'd exit at Rt 615 and go south for about 1/8 mile (or less) to Tyler Blvd.
  There's a traffic light (I believe it the 2nd light after exiting Rt 2) and a Speedway gas Station on the corner.
  You'd turn west on Tyler Blvd. (right if your coming from Rt 2) and 7700 is a very short distance.

  I (still) have the "Ford Pinto" banner, so I'd put it up in front of the show room.

  Now here's the memory problem thing.......
  I cant remember if there's an exit off Interstate 90 for Rt 615.  But it seems to me that they just recently built one.
  I will verify this and get back to you on it.  When I do, I'll post detailed directions to the location

  Thanks for your question, I'm sure it will motivate me to get moving (hee hee)

  Best as always,  Jim at jimspinto


 
 
 

russosborne

Jim, do you have the new address yet for the get together?
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

jimspinto

Quote from: FlyerPinto on April 26, 2009, 02:00:17 PM
Jim,

I'll be there again!

FlyerPinto

  LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU.   AS THE MONKEY SAID AFTER HE GOT HIS TAIL CAUGHT IN THE DOOR,,,,,IT WONT BE LONG NOW

  SEE YOU AND ALL SOON,   JIM AT JIMSPINTO

FlyerPinto

1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

jimspinto

Quote from: r4pinto on April 04, 2009, 09:35:45 AM
I know that sounds a lot like my car. Rattle can paint job, silicone & pop rivets over holes in the back of the trunk, pounds of bondo over a dent...

It's all about the pintos... and the memories that go along with seeing them.

With that said, I will reiterate that come hell or high water I WILL be there this year, with my car.

  Thanks guy.
  I hope there isn't any hell or high water.  Especially the high water, what with the riveted over holes and all.
  But I gota say, I got a flash back when I read you post.
 
  I don't know how old you are, but I'm not that young any more.  Going through my second childhood, but in number of years, well that's another story.

  Anyhow, I was talking about the "Flash-back"

  Way back when "Hector" was a pup,(can you remember back then ?)
  I think it was 57 or 58, my car had so many holes in the floor, I'd drive with my right toe on the gas, as high up the pedal as I could get it, and my left foot on the seat, just to keep them dry.

  Then winter set in, and the heater didn't work.  It leaked so bad that I by-passed it (no money to fix it).
  So much cold air came thru that rusted out floorboard that I pulled over, went to door of this house and asked the women to PLEEZZZZE let me come into the house and warm my feet.

  I must have looked allfull bad, because she not only let me in, she gave me hot soup and dry sox.  could you imagine that happing today, someone would not only open the door, but welcome you in. I kind of doubt it.

  The next time that car quit (and it quit alot) I unscrewed the plates, left it there and walked home.
  Several weeks later, a local gas station called me, said I owed $15.00 for the tow, and if I didn't get my butt down there real fast, he was going to call the cops, have me put in jail for no license plates or up to date insurance sticker.
 
  This was a small town, everybody new everybody and kids scared real easy.
  He'd roconnized the car, knew who I was.  I thought surly he'd call my dad, so I rushed down to pay the tow.  It took every penny I had, plus some that I'd borrowed, so I pushed the car home.

  Your comment brought the whole thing back to mind, and I got a laugh thinking about it.

  So thank you for both your desire to come, and the "memories"

  By the way, it was a Chevy.  I think 1937, but I cant remember (that has something to do with age also, the remembering part)

  Jim at jimspinto

r4pinto

I know that sounds a lot like my car. Rattle can paint job, silicone & pop rivets over holes in the back of the trunk, pounds of bondo over a dent...

It's all about the pintos... and the memories that go along with seeing them.

With that said, I will reiterate that come hell or high water I WILL be there this year, with my car.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

jimspinto

Quote from: russosborne on April 03, 2009, 05:27:05 PM
Jim, is there any entry fee for this?
I should be able to make it then, assuming the car is still running. It is a daily driver, and is pretty ugly. Not something to really show off, but getting together could be fun.
BTW, I saw your posting in the general area. I never have looked at this area of the site before.
Russ

  Hey Russ,
  I kind of figured that there COULD HAVE BEEN a problem, seemed that nobody ever posted a comment or showed any interest.  It made me wonder what the h** was going on.  Then I started that post in the "General Section" 
  Well don't feel bad, your obviously not alone in not looking here !  !  !  !

  No bigee, you found it, your here now and nobody's more glad then me, so welcome welcome welcome !

  Re your question.
  NO THERE IS NOT A  "FEE" !  Everything is FREE !

  Re A daily driver, pretty ugly.........
  Hey, its a Pinto and that's what counts.

  There a different thing (pinto's)
  They provoke "Fond Memories" and "Daily Drivers" seem to draw there own group of onlookers.
 
  There are people (and I'm one of them) that have there life wrapped up in there car(s) and far to Many "DO NOT TOUCH" signs.
  Then there people like yourself, with there "Daily Driver(s)"
  Who's to say which is the better.

  I go to a local cruise, where a guy brings a Modal A that is so beat-up that the drivers door is held closed with rope.
  I'm not going to spend alot of time talking about this car, only to say that when he gets to the cruise, people walk away from cars that have had THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS spent on restoration and gather around his car.
  Now which one would you say the people are more interest in seeing ?

  Please come, join us, bring your "Daily Driver"
  You'll have fun, and that's why the "Get Together" is done

  Thanks,  Jim at jimspinto

russosborne

Jim, is there any entry fee for this?
I should be able to make it then, assuming the car is still running. It is a daily driver, and is pretty ugly. Not something to really show off, but getting together could be fun.
BTW, I saw your posting in the general area. I never have looked at this area of the site before.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

jimspinto

 
   To everyone...

   I'm not missing you, by not sending each and everyone a "reply"
   I see you,  and just like Santa, I'm MAKING A LIST !

   Hope this year could set a record.  Shouldn't be so hard, it the 2nd year.  But what I mean is like in Ed Sullivan's words ........A REALLY BIG SHOW

  A couple of weeks before July 11th, I'll put an add in the Cleve. Plain Dealer.  As I said I'd get some coverage in the local "Rags" also.
  And (again) I wont forget "bigalslist.com"  While your doing nothing else take a look at that site, there all kinds of good information there.

  July 11th is pretty far away, but it'll be here before you know it.
  Lets get EXCITED, LETS HAVE A "REALLY BIG SHOW"

  Thanks alot,  Jim  At jimspinto

jimspinto

Quote from: smallfryefarm on March 31, 2009, 12:38:24 PM
Jim my Name is David I live in Salt Rock WV which is about 20 miles south east of Huntington WV.
Coming up pintoless is a possibility. Might take a motor cycle ride up and spend the day, Might even
be done enough to bring the pinto. I don't know for sure yet, its to soon for me to lock in yet. But
i would love to make it. Kinda excited to show off my ride and see everyone else's.

  WOW, What a wonderful thought !

  At the risk of hurting the feelings of some of the "locals"
  You know, like he didn't get excited about me.
  Well the thought of someone coming (& bringing there Pinto) from WV, gets me EXCITED.

  Even "Redneck" Dick would probably excited. (this is a privet joke, just thought I'd through it in. Some of the "regulars" will get a laugh)

  Certainly hope you could make it.
  The "Get Together" is open to ALL STATES not just Ohio.
  Last year we had a Pinto from Michigan and I hope she (yes a gal !) can make it this year.

  Thanks again, and look forward to seeing you........  Jim


jimspinto

Quote from: r4pinto on March 31, 2009, 12:03:23 PM
Jim,

Yes, count me in. Hopefully this year my Pinto will be able to make the trip & I won't be out of town that week. Keep me posted. I was kinda down that I wouldn't be able to make Carlisle for financial reasons, but this I can do, being in Ohio.

  Love to see ya ! And I hope your Pinto could come also

   Best........... Jim

jimspinto

Quote from: r4pinto on March 31, 2009, 12:03:23 PM
Jim,

Yes, count me in. Hopefully this year my Pinto will be able to make the trip & I won't be out of town that week. Keep me posted. I was kinda down that I wouldn't be able to make Carlisle for financial reasons, but this I can do, being in Ohio.

  I'd really love to see you (and you Pinto of coarse)
  The location is a "Positive" and I'll to the best I can with some "goodies" from the locals.
 
  Thanks for you comment (commitment) Jim

pintoman

Jim still working out some details.Let you know soon.
05 Pigon Forge Meet, 06 Carlile Meet Coordinator 06-07 Carlile Regional, Brief Case Award (ask)

smallfryefarm

Jim my Name is David I live in Salt Rock WV which is about 20 miles south east of Huntington WV.
Coming up pintoless is a possibility. Might take a motor cycle ride up and spend the day, Might even
be done enough to bring the pinto. I don't know for sure yet, its to soon for me to lock in yet. But
i would love to make it. Kinda excited to show off my ride and see everyone else's.
Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch