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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

A "Get Together", Same As Last year

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jimspinto

  Well the 16th came without rain, was a beautiful day.

  We had a great meet, thanks to all those that helped and were there.  A few of us couldn't make it due to health and etc.  Here's hopping for better times for them.
  Hope everyone had a good time, keep in touch, stay in good health, and hope to see everyone again......
  Jim O'Reilly

ps..
  I have (one, or maybe two) "Window Sticker(s)"
  If anyone should want it (them) email me at jimsfinefords@yahoo.com
  First come, first serve.....
  Jim

jimspinto

  Just a reminder........

  The Ohio Get Together is this Sunday  August 16th, 2009 at 10am.

  Any questions please feel free to call me at  440 591 8381

  Jim O'Reilly

jimspinto

  A "NEW DATE AND LOCATION"  for the "Get Together"

  I'm working on a new date and etc.  I posted some information in the "0FF TOPIC - GERERAL" section.

  In an effort not to be redundent I wont take time & space with the same thing.  Please go there and look at the post (under the same subject heading)  And please reply A.S.A.P.

  Thanks and sorry that the weather shut us down the first time.......  Jim at jimspinto

r4pinto

Jim,

You name the date & I'll be there. That will give me a chance to get my car fixed anyways.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

jimspinto

  Hi Everyone

  I sent an email to those addresses that I have explaining that I checked with a friend in Chicago and another locally (that has a weather thing for his charter boat service)

I was told the weather in chicago has been raining and blowing from about 3pm.  With two T-Storms moving thru.

The Guy with the charter boat weather thing says there will be three T-storms.  One in the morning, one at mid day and a third in the early evening, with rain through out the day.

  This is pretty much what going on in Chicago now, and in as much as the storms are coming from that area, I guess there's no question we will get the same thing.

So I'm going to cansel the show/get together, with the hopes of a latter date.
I will check with Best of Show Automotive (and other locations) for a time slot and advise.

Sorry for such late notice, its because I held off for a long as possible, and still have time to post this.

Will advise soon (I hope)  Thanks again.....  Jim

pintoman

Jim,If you think you want to postpone that will be fine.Maybe I can get some more Pinto people in the central Ohio area to come on up.But if you are going to have it tomorrow I will be there with PintoBean[aka Rod].Let us know.
05 Pigon Forge Meet, 06 Carlile Meet Coordinator 06-07 Carlile Regional, Brief Case Award (ask)

russosborne

Hey Jim.
I was going to have to cancel anyways, just been a bad week. Sometimes it is better for others for me not to be around, and this is being one of those times. :-(
So I definitely won't be there tomorrow, but if you reschedule I will try to be there whenever that will be.

Bad weather? Guess I should watch the news once in a while. I usually  don't watch tv anymore during the week at all, just a bit on weekends. Darn video games. :-)

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

r4pinto

Sounds good. I'll see what the update is. If it's on I'll go. If not I'll go straight to Corry, PA.   ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

jimspinto

Quote from: r4pinto on July 10, 2009, 12:45:59 PM
As I said before on the other posting I have to go to Corry, PA to get a gs tank for my car anyways, so it's on the way. With that in mind it makes no difference to me at all. I might not even have my car there, if I can't get the gremlins out of the fuel system but I will be anyways.

  OK, Thanks
  But I'm still up in the air, its not looking good (the weather)
  I have to go out tonight, but I will check here when I  get home, and I should know more about what it going to be like by then.

  Please (Everyone) check here before driving there.

  Again thanks,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Jim

r4pinto

As I said before on the other posting I have to go to Corry, PA to get a gs tank for my car anyways, so it's on the way. With that in mind it makes no difference to me at all. I might not even have my car there, if I can't get the gremlins out of the fuel system but I will be anyways.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

jimspinto



   Hi Everyone.........

   I need your advise.  The weather for Saturday is going to be quite nasty to say the least.

   I will be there if there's any chance that anyone else will be, so please reply.

   Should I have the meet, or should I cancel ? ? ? ? ? ?

   Awaiting your reply,  Ji   440 591 8381

jimspinto

Quote from: r4pinto on July 08, 2009, 08:25:33 PM
Jim the car is just about ready. A couple more tests then I will have a better idea how she will do on the drive. Harley, if you go I will see you there!

  Wish you luck, sure like to see you.....  Jim

r4pinto

Jim the car is just about ready. A couple more tests then I will have a better idea how she will do on the drive. Harley, if you go I will see you there!
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintoman

05 Pigon Forge Meet, 06 Carlile Meet Coordinator 06-07 Carlile Regional, Brief Case Award (ask)

jimspinto




  JUST A FEW MORE DAYS, LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE.

  AGAIN IF ANYONE HAS A QUESTION,NEED ANYTHING, CALL ME  440 591 8381

  Jim O'Reilly  (jimspinto)

r4pinto

It's the other way. Besides.. I gotta pick up a gas tank as well  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

On your way to WallyWorld swing around and pick me up! lol. I promise it's on the way!  :D
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Lol... Looks like the R didn't wanna type even though I hit the key
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Mento... is that en route to Candyland? (VERY NAUGHTY BLU! SAY YOU'RE SORRY!)
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

I'll stop off at Wally World & pick me up some snacks lol.

just a couple weeks ago I drove to Corry Pa, where Phils Toys lives & drove past a sign for Mento. Atleast I have some idea of the length of time to get there. Sux that my Pinto does not have cruise since it's a drive but oh well.

I am looking forward to it & told everyone that I am booked solid on side jobs till after that weekend. Of course aside from my grandma's a/c the only job I actually have is working on getting my Pinto safe to drive.  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

jimspinto

Quote from: russosborne on June 25, 2009, 03:57:38 PM
Hey Jim.

Still looking forward to coming the 11th.
Not having been to Mentor before (driven by it on the 90 a few times) what is there around the area(walking distance would be good) as far as food goes?

Btw, I just looked up Mentor on mapquest. Somehow I was thinking it was a lot closer to Youngstown. But it is only 49 miles from my house(in Akron) to the address for the show, so I am not complaining. :-)
Thanks,
Russ

  Hey Russ  (and Dick)

  First, sorry for not getting back to ya !  For some reason I couldn't get thru, kept getting  "Explorer cant find the page you requested"  (or something like that)

  Anyway
  Dick, looking forward to a "spelen" lesson  hee hee

  Russ, and everyone else.

  There isn't anything (like food) within walking distance.
  Mentor is a  big town (might even be a city) so I'm sure there is plenty of places.  Just take a look along Rt.615. If you don't see something you like, Rt. 20 is just north of 615 I'm sure you'll see what your looking for there.

   Most of the motels along Rt 2, Rt 90 and etc. should have "Reasturants"

   And again, take my phone number (440 591 8381) call me if I can be of any help.

   But I'd suggest a picket basket (or the like)

   See you soon, Jim

russosborne

Hey Jim.

Still looking forward to coming the 11th.
Not having been to Mentor before (driven by it on the 90 a few times) what is there around the area(walking distance would be good) as far as food goes?

Btw, I just looked up Mentor on mapquest. Somehow I was thinking it was a lot closer to Youngstown. But it is only 49 miles from my house(in Akron) to the address for the show, so I am not complaining. :-)
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

postalpony



   Hey Jim   ;D ;D ;D
   
    What is all this crap your spellen abillity--Rednecks ain't got enny

    of that there stuff, doesn't ya' knows that?

    I will be there the 11th to help you with all of the "TRUE' stories

    that get told around the campfire.

                 Looking forward to seeing everyone!!
                         Old Hocking County Hilljack  Dick
1980 Hatchback was a "Postal Unit" on the
west coast in it's early life. Now residing
in Ohio, But we don't haul the U.S. Mail anymore;
Now all we do is HAUL!
5th gear 4700 rpm & still pullin'= 113+  mph

UPDATE-83.762 mph in 4th gear As verified by a W Va State Trooper-WITH 1 GEAR TO GO 6-2-11

75bobcatv6

well i hope you get it done, if you have microsoft office or word there should be a plug in for firefox/IE that will allow it to help you with errors on the web. not sure if this will help you but i hope it does.

jimspinto

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on June 21, 2009, 12:43:49 PM
mine seems to work. if i misspell something i get a red line underneath it, if you get that you can just right click it and select the correct spelling and it will replace it.

  Thanks, with my spelling ability I need that.

  Just got the Pinto out of it home.  I'd said before, it lives in a metal shipping box because I'm out of garage space.
  Washed it, cleaned and aired the tires up, just got out of the shower, and now I want to go to a cruise (with the Pinto) So gota put it in second gear.  Talk latter.......... Jim
  Jim

  PS....  No it won't.  I spelled ability "abillaty" just to see what happened.  Nothing happened, so I went back and changed the spelling my self.  Will look into it latter (when I have more time)

75bobcatv6

mine seems to work. if i misspell something i get a red line underneath it, if you get that you can just right click it and select the correct spelling and it will replace it.

jimspinto

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on June 20, 2009, 11:50:04 AM
hey jim as this site is my home page i have to make sure it works =). i hope you have a good turn out this year.



  Thanks for the comment,  BUT WHAT ABOUT THE "SPELL CHECK" ??????????
  I really need that, ain't that smart (hee hee)

  Best Jim

75bobcatv6

hey jim as this site is my home page i have to make sure it works =). i hope you have a good turn out this year.

jimspinto

  Hi Everyone.  Nothing "New" to report, everything is reary to go.  Cant wait to see you all (and the Pinto's of course)

  I've been working on my "New" garage (actully its and old building that I'm rebuilding) NON-STOP now.  I can't believe how much I've slowed down in the last few years, it takes me forever to get anything done.
  Finly got the floor poured, just a little trim work and I'm done.  Then I will have more time for cruising in the "Pinto"  (Jeezzee's I hope it starts, gota check that quick)

  For some time now, my computer was showing a page "NOT FOUND" when I clicked on "Favorites"
  Just for the he## of it, I typed in "Fordpinto.com" and got "If your reading this (etc.)  Wow,the new site, and no wonder I was having the problem.
 
  Hope everyone is smarter then me, and has already found out the problem (hee hee) and not only finds it, but corrects there "Favorites"

   Again looking forward to the meet, its only a few weeks now, see you there.  Call me if I can be of any help 440 591 8381

   Jim at jimspinto

  Hey, what happened to spell check.  Could find it, is it there ?
  I'm not going back to look for any spelling errors, please try to read thru it.  And if "spell check is there, tell me where it is.  Jim

r4pinto

And I'm sure you would too. Nah, she's still got a long, long way from being done. I don't have the cash to complete her all at one so I gotta do what I can, when I get the cash. Atleast she will run & drive.. I hope anyways. Gotta get that radiator fixed. All in all, she needs major restructuring underneath and the body needs some tweeking. The interior is also getting a complete redo. All I can say will be done is the engine, transmission & brakes, as those have been either replaced or rebuilt.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress