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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project "Brown Ghost" 72 Pinto Sedan

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pintogirl

Quote from: larjohnson on March 18, 2009, 02:19:37 PM
You know.... I sit here and read the threads you all have about your Pintos.  It amazes  :amazed: me the things you all come up with for repairing these wonderful cars.  Your headliner looks amazing, but I'm with Dave, I think some fabric spray dye would tie the repair in very nicely :angel:.  You did a fantastic job, I simply would not have had the patience or talent to complete the headliner repair.  I have purchased a new headliner for the 1971 I bought from Reed in Washington State.  I'm going to have that installed at my upholstery shop next month.  I Don't know what that's going to cost me at this point, but they're telling me they may have to remove the windshield and back glass to replace it.  Whew!!!!!! oh well, I have a small leak on both glasses, this will give them a chance to reseal them both.  Anyway, keep up the good work, your Pinto is a dandy.  Larry :police:

Thanks Larry!

    Yah, I want to eventually replace my headliner too, but I want to wait till I can paint the car brown again. To do that I will want to take all the windows out and strip the car down so we can remove all the white that someone else painted!!

The car had all of it's roof padding so to save it I chose to go my cheap (painful) route!! LOL I say painful because my wrist hurt for 2 days after sewing the patch to the old headliner!!!! Ouch!! I am really thinking about doing the cloth or paint you all are talking about. I need to find where to purchase it so I can read the label and see how hard it will be to do it. My only concern on that is the fact that the patch is a material and the old headliner is vinyl, and I"m thinking the material will dye darker or lighter then the vinyl!!

You mention that they may have to remove the rear window, do you have a line on where to purchase new rubber for the rear??? Guess I should ask if yours is trunk or hatch??? I forgot which you have. I found rubber for the hatches, but can't find it for the trunk model!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

larjohnson

You know.... I sit here and read the threads you all have about your Pintos.  It amazes  :amazed: me the things you all come up with for repairing these wonderful cars.  Your headliner looks amazing, but I'm with Dave, I think some fabric spray dye would tie the repair in very nicely :angel:.  You did a fantastic job, I simply would not have had the patience or talent to complete the headliner repair.  I have purchased a new headliner for the 1971 I bought from Reed in Washington State.  I'm going to have that installed at my upholstery shop next month.  I Don't know what that's going to cost me at this point, but they're telling me they may have to remove the windshield and back glass to replace it.  Whew!!!!!! oh well, I have a small leak on both glasses, this will give them a chance to reseal them both.  Anyway, keep up the good work, your Pinto is a dandy.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on March 18, 2009, 08:23:40 AM
Until you do the ball joints....they still haunt me. :(

Then it's just a lot of cursing and banging away with a mallet! ;)

After that it is tears from smacking the cold chisel too hard without holding onto it and watching it fly across the garage taking out some sizable sections of paint from the driver's door.  :'( :'(

Nah, ball joints are easy!! Just put the car on the lift and have your hubby do it!!!!!! LOL  :D
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

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dave1987

Until you do the ball joints....they still haunt me. :(

Then it's just a lot of cursing and banging away with a mallet! ;)

After that it is tears from smacking the cold chisel too hard without holding onto it and watching it fly across the garage taking out some sizable sections of paint from the driver's door.  :'( :'(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Thank you Chuck!  ;D

Whenever any of us work on our Pintos it's guaranteed to be a labor of love!
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Kim,

Not to belabor a point, but the SEM dyes are formulated for fabric and carpet as well as vinyl... I still think it would tie your repair altogether rather nicely.

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

discolives78

It's good to own a Pinto, it's great to drive your Pinto!

You girls have worked hard on your cars, take the wheel with pride! ;D

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

pintogirl

Yes we are!!!!

I am also having alot of fun with my Pinto!!! I do have a radio, but I listen to it pretty low. One reason is the same as yours, listening for noises, the other reason is, I only have some cheapy old 3 or 4 inch speakers!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

That's so funny! I've been taking Baby out on Friday too. She's slow going from a dead stop, but once she's in her third or fourth gear (auto), watch out! lol. I've been having so much fun with her! I hope Ghost is at least as fun!  I do miss my music but for now I want to be able to listen to abnormal noises should they come (so far so good!)

       Great news on your repairs Kim! We're dynamite, aren't we?  :o ;D :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

What a productive day for me and the Ghost!!!!! 

  Today I removed the red seats, removed the bad wiper motor and wiper arms. Then replaced said arms and motor. I fixed the "tied" up defrost vent! By looking at the donor pintos dash, I figured out that all the clips were missing off of the ghost's vent. I took the clips off of the donor and put them on the ghost and now my defrost is up nice and tight!!! No more shoe string!!

  After all that I finally got to put the Pinto seats from the donor pinto in the Ghost!! It looked alot better, even with out the seat covers!! But, I did put the covers back on do to the seats being pretty messed up!! I found out that the driver seat doesn't move back as far as the red seat did. I have to lift my leg up a bit more to step on the brake. Also found out that the padding is pretty weak. I will be buying one of those seat pads from walmart and putting it under the seat cover to give me some boost up!! I feel like a low rider right now!! LOL  I also figured out that the passenger seat doesn't move up or back, nor does the back of the seat adjust!! So I sit further back in the car then the passenger does! LOL

After all that I put a new battery in. So now I can hopefully have the door open and radio on for more then 10 min. without the battery going dead!!

I went up stairs to find the donor pintos radio and bezel, just to find out that it wasn't the stock radio and someone cut the circle parts of the bezel bigger so the radio they installed would work! Luckily I bought a brown bezel from PnP a while ago. So the next nice day I will take the am radio that came out of the green machine and the install it in the ghost. That way I will have a more original looking car!!! All I need to find though to make things sound better is one of those old equalizer/boosters!!! Oh, and I need to install some 6x9's in the back! I will wait for a sunny day though. I like to work outdoors for more light!!

Tomorrow I am going to take a chance and drive her to work!!! I drove her all around Thurs. and Fri. and she did fine. The only thing I have never done with her yet, is drive her in the dark for that far!!! It's 20 miles one way, right threw town. The way there is in the dark, and the way home will be in stop and go traffic. I'm taking the AAA card, just in case!!! LOL


Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: dga57 on March 14, 2009, 01:36:37 AM
Kim,

That's about as respectable a temporary fix as I've ever seen!  I'm impressed.  If you were to invest in a couple cans of SEM dye and spray the entire thing, old material and new, probably no one would ever notice it at all!  Congratulations on a job well done!

Dwayne :smile:

Thanks!! 

That sounds like a good idea, except the new material is just plain material for like making clothes! LOL I didn't try to buy vinyl, I thought it would be to hard to deal with. Thought the plain material would be lighter to sew, upside down!! LOL

I can put iron patches now though!!!!! LOL

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dga57

Kim,

That's about as respectable a temporary fix as I've ever seen!  I'm impressed.  If you were to invest in a couple cans of SEM dye and spray the entire thing, old material and new, probably no one would ever notice it at all!  Congratulations on a job well done!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

Not bad! You are so talented! Now you gotta teach me to sew! lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

In the spirit of getting ready for Knotts, I fixed my yuckky headliner!! It is just a patch, but I am suprised, it didn't come out all that bad. Just a bit of Frankinstien stitching on both ends, but other then that it all tucked up nicely!!! Here are the pics, of course!! LOL

Before..


In the process..
I took the bars that hold the headliner off, after I measured the distance between them. Then I brought them in the house and layed them on my material in the distances they needed to be at. I pinched the material and pinned it. Then removed the bars and headed for the sowing machine. I'm not much of a sower, but all and all things went pretty good, well except that my bobber threader didn't work and I only had one bobbin that fit, so I had to hand thread it!! LOL Once it was all sewn I put the metal bars back through the slots I just made.

I went to the car and proceeded to install the 3 bars with my new headliner patch. Things weren't going to well, the bars seemed to be way to big in some spot, but to small in others. Then I realized, I should have marked what bar came from what holes and what position in the car! LOL I figured it all out and started to push patch headliner into the side rail thingy's. LOL




Here's my Frankenstien sewing! LOL It was the only way I could figure out how to attach the front and back to the old headliner.  ;D I used a curved needle to do this. What a pain in the arms that was!!  ;D

Not to straight,

But you can't tell that much with the sun visors up! LOL


Starting on the back,


All tucked in!!


All done!!


After...


It's not the best. Kinda luppy here and there, but it is better then the before pic and at least the roof padding is safe now. I can actually roll my windows down all the way now!! LOL

Next project for tomorrow is, swapping out the seats and installing the AM radio with brown bezel. I will then need to find an old equalizer/booster to boost the sound up a bit. Can't use an amp do to not having any RCA jacks on the old radio and 8 track player!! LOL But if I get a booster, I can atleast listen to my iPod with a bit better sound quality!! LOL You know, 8trach to cassette adaptor to cassette to ipod adaptor!! LOL Just have to have that nostalgic look with the revolutionary iPod!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

discolives78



A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

 :D ;D :laugh: :lol:

     Good for you Kim!!! Yayyyyy!!!!
You got a couple things nailed at once. Now send that magic down here! lol. Now: time to work on Hubby and you to come down here! lol.  :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

phils toys

2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

dave1987

AWESOME!!! :D

It's always a great feeling when you get your car running perfectly and knowing you'll get to drive it around like that every day! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Finally!!!!!!  ;D  Hubby adjusted the lifters/valves or whatever they are called, LOL and I took the car out and did a hose water test on the windshield. No more tapping and no more leaking!!!!!!!   I took her to drop off some dog poop at the vet  :lol: The needed it for parasite testing!! She (the Pinto, lol) pinged a bit when she shifted into second and third gears. She also seemed a bit sluggish. So hubby turned the distributor and I took her around the block. Nope still pings, turned it again, and bingo, that did the trick. No more pinging and she goes pretty darn good now!!

So, knock on wood, lol, I think I have a daily driver (well almost daily lol) now!!!! Jammin to an eight track player with a "Road Music" 8 track playing!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Well, I have been pretty busy with my new puppy, so I havn't had a chance to work on the ghost, till now! The kid came over and put his winshield goop around the outside of the rubber. I think this will solve my problem, but wont get excited till I can test it out tomorrow. Tonight hubby re checkd the timeing, then he adjutsted the lifters! He sat the valve cover on to just test start the car (I need to clean the old gasket off of it). It was really quiet!!!! I can't wait to get the valve cover back on and take the car for a test drive!!!!  I sure hope this will be the last major thing I need to do to be able to drive the pinto with more confedence!! :D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

 >:( Darn windshields!!! Rubbers!!! Silicone!!!

Kim, I hope the Windshield Kid can save the day for you and The Ghost. Water trapped next to the metal is not good. My poor Rodeo has rust cancer where the rubber meets the metal at the roofline almost all the way across.  >:( :'(

Good for you getting a piece of audio history, though. The only 8-track tape I ever owned was a Gordon Lightfoot one (Summertime Dream). It had my favorite GL song "The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald". I don't know what ever happened to that tape. Lucky me I got the cd and it's imported on the ipod. Great album.
One can never have too many Pintos!

78squirewagon

I have an 8-track in my wagon and people LOVE it  ;D  I was able to get the FORD am/fm/8-track that looks stock as well as a bunch of tapes (in the fake snake skin case with red felt inside) off of e-bay pretty cheap and everything WORKS GREAT. I saw the cassette adaptors in the back of an AMC Pacer and had to have one of those as well  ;D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

Srt

Quote from: 71HANTO on February 26, 2009, 07:08:41 PM
If you're into 8 tracks, (and who isn't :lol:) here is a 69-71 circa Ford cataloged, dealer installed/over the counter player to watch out for on e-bay, Pick Your Parts, or swaps. This one is going into my 69 Mustang with the same deluxe woodgrain/camera case black colored interior.

The adaptor is the way to go....the tapes pull apart at the continuous loop joint. The tape is glued together in one spot. They are old and crispy with age. You will be listening to your favorite tape and then................nothing >:(  They CAN be repaired if you are REALLY handy. Put the tape in for visuals at shows only or risk them going BYE BYE :lost: It's not IF...It's when...





CS&N .... there's a whole lot of memories attached to that group for me..down in the south coast area...doing things i shouldn't have been doing....but at least i was driving a Pinto!
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

dga57

Yeah, I discovered that when Al Hirt and the Tijuana Brass pooped out on me and my Lincoln! :(
Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

71HANTO

Quote from: dga57 on February 26, 2009, 08:46:21 AM
VERY COOL  :surprised:  Elvis lives!

I have a factory installed 8-track in my '79 Lincoln Continental Collector's Series sedan and it works great.  My biggest problem is finding the tapes.  I currently have about a dozen.  I bought one of the 8-track/cassette adaptors on eBay and it does a pretty good job of playing cassettes, which does help broaden my availability of musical selections.

Enjoy!

Dwayne :smile:

If you're into 8 tracks, (and who isn't :lol:) here is a 69-71 circa Ford cataloged, dealer installed/over the counter player to watch out for on e-bay, Pick Your Parts, or swaps. This one is going into my 69 Mustang with the same deluxe woodgrain/camera case black colored interior.

The adaptor is the way to go....the tapes pull apart at the continuous loop joint. The tape is glued together in one spot. They are old and crispy with age. You will be listening to your favorite tape and then................nothing >:(  They CAN be repaired if you are REALLY handy. Put the tape in for visuals at shows only or risk them going BYE BYE :lost: It's not IF...It's when...


"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

pintogirl

Back to the drawing board! I just did a hose test on the windshield and it still leaks! In fact, it leaks worse now then when it did with the dry rubber gasket. Worse then before we added the silicone. Pretty much leaks all the way down the side posts, starting just above the curve of the windshield. It's leaking between the metal and the rubber, not the rubber and the windshield. I guess we should have used alot more silicone then what we did.

I'm going to try to get the step kid, the one that puts in windshields for a living, to actually put the gunk he usually uses on the windshields on. On the inside of the car the rubber is pretty pliable. I think we can peel it back enough to run a bead of the gunk along the cars metal edge. I'm hoping that will solve the problem. I already had to buy a new windshield because I broke it the first time we had to remove it because of no sealent. Don't want to have to try to remove it again!

I'm getting pretty upset about this leaking. This is the only area that it leaks. Should be an easy fix but turning out to be a nightmare!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dga57

VERY COOL  :surprised:  Elvis lives!

I have a factory installed 8-track in my '79 Lincoln Continental Collector's Series sedan and it works great.  My biggest problem is finding the tapes.  I currently have about a dozen.  I bought one of the 8-track/cassette adaptors on eBay and it does a pretty good job of playing cassettes, which does help broaden my availablilty of musical selections.

Enjoy!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Srt

Quote from: pintogirl on February 25, 2009, 05:49:57 PM
Today I finished up the windshield install. Cleaned everything and put the chrome back on. Then the mail came and my brand new 8 track player arrived!!!! It had never been hooked up, all wires were still uncut!! It was an ebay find!!! Roughly 40 bucks is what I paid for it!!!!

Pintogirl,

i think that the last time i had or even saw an 8 track was in my old 55 chevy in high school (almost 40 years ago) it had an always playing jimi hendrix tape in it !!

that's cool!
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

pintogirl

Today I finished up the windshield install. Cleaned everything and put the chrome back on. Then the mail came and my brand new 8 track player arrived!!!! It had never been hooked up, all wires were still uncut!! It was an ebay find!!! Roughly 40 bucks is what I paid for it!!!!

Here are some pics!!








Here is a YouTube video of it playing!! Don't know how long the video will actually be up, sometimes youtube pulls the plug on them do to the songs and copyright mumbo jumbo!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPEi1EojdIs

Trying to ad a link to the video via my photobucket! Never done it before so we will see if it works. It's the same video as the youtube so you don't have to click on it, unless the youtube doesn't work!! LOL


Eventually I will replace the radio bezel and the stereo with a more original radio. That is if my 8 track to cassette adapter works! LOL That way I can play my iPod threw it!! If not, the more up to date radio will stay in!! LOL

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA