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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

My Black Friday Adventure

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phils toys

Now they call it "cinders"  more traction  less melting  but it still eats cars  just not as fast. In the spring the roads are  covered in sandy/ gravel mix so for the first month or so after the snow melt   you here the pebbles  hitting  the car as  you drive  almost like  driving in a sand blaster.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

dave1987

I believe they use sand on the roads here in Boise, now. The roads get really nasty and dirty when the snow starts to melt.

My dad was saying they have switched from salt to magnesium phosphate, but from what I can find, MP is used as a steel treatment to aid against corrosion. I think he was thinking of magnesium chloride, which is an alternative deicer.

I will have to check with the state on this one. I will get back to you all when I find out.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

phils toys

Quote from: discolives78 on December 02, 2008, 10:59:14 PM
r-r-r-rust? in the floors? I'm not sure what that would be like to deal with, Dave.
Usualy in a salt  zone that = no floors Rockers, fenders,  ect....
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

dave1987

I don't think you would like to deal with it, Chuck. With such a confined area beneath the dash, I had it real easy at the salvage yard since I had already removed 90% of the interior and the dash. When I cut out my original pan, it won't be so luxurious! I believe I will end up using my brother's air saw rather than a sawzall, since it is smaller and should be much easier to use in such a small space.

Hopefully I can get the whole welding thing down by spring. I should have my windshield and it's gasket replaced by then, possibly the headliner too!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

r-r-r-rust? in the floors? I'm not sure what that would be like to deal with, Dave.


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

Ladies and Gents, the spot weld bit worked pretty darn good!

The bit is very easy to use, but I highly recommend keeping a punch near by. Occasionally, the bit will start to walk away from the desired location. Hit it with a punch (preferably a spring loaded one. :)) a couple times, and go back at it. It took me about 15 minutes to drill out all of the spot welds, pry the two pieces apart with the short end of a crowbar and a hammer, and use a drift to straighten out the drain channels.

It left the floor panel looking like swiss cheese, but in the end, it should really help with welding it back into place on the sub frame, and the parallel lines of holes won't even be noticed!


1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

Wow, they dropped since I last priced them. Can't blame you for not getting it at $30 for a used one. I am jeaulous of your floor. lol.. It's got a street sign on the driver side for now. I see what you are talkin about on removing the subframe from the new piece. Good luck on drilling out the welds. I gotta get me a spot weld bit so I could do the work  on my car a littl easier.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

I was considering it, but a new dissy from Parts America is only $48 and it comes with a lifetime warranty. I was just thinking that if I would replace something that is always moving, and electrical, it's bound to go out more than once during the time I drive the car as a daily driver, I might as well just buy a new one and replace it free of charge when it goes out. The salvage yard wants $30 for a dissy.

Here is a shot from a little over a year ago of the driver's side floor. It is only slightly worse now, but still stable for the most part.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

That's  some good parts finds you got there. That's cool you only needed that part of the floor. My entire floor is nothing but swiss cheese & needs MAJOR repairs. Fortunately I have the front of an old washer my dad got rid of this year. Nice find on the plug wires. You not want the distributor? It seems always a good idea to have a spare one for all the times they tend to go out.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

discolives78

Yup, that's pretty good for $35.00. I just bought a set of 8mm silicone wires for mine from Rock Auto, and they were $25 plus shipping.


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

Last but not least, the fuel sending unit and (I forgot to mention them earlier) a set of good wires I pulled off the motor.

The wires are "premium silicone", and strongly resemble the Borg Warner Select wires I have on the car right now. I will keep these around as spares in case of an emergency or troubleshooting purposes. Can't beat $2.00 for wires! :)

My receipt...

Dash - $15.00
Floor pan - $5.00
Mud flaps - $5.00
Fuel sending unit - $10.00
Wires - Free!

All in all, I think I did pretty good for $35.00! ;D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Here are some shots of the mud flaps and the floor pan.

The second photo of the mud flaps shows a comparison to the size of the flap I pulled off the Bobcat this summer. It was a Datsun flap, but it was cut well enough to look good on the car. It is what I am using as a template to cut new ones out of the Jeep set. I have flaps on the rear right now, just need to get the front done.

The second I removed from the floor wasn't much, as I don't have very much rust aside from the section that has holes through it. I should have enough material on this donor pan to overlap the good metal and weld it on.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I got two of those bits at Harbor Freight for $3.00/ea. today. not to bad, and I may end up going back for a couple more before the sale is over, but we will see how well they work first.

Here are some pictures of the goodies I pulled from that Bobcat wagon I have been stripping down since August. The only thing I might want that is left on the car is the cowl vent. Other than that there isn't much left of the car aside from glass, the body panels/doors and the drive train (engine, tranny, axle, etc.)

First the dash. I had already pulled most of the dash which is in storage. The radio bezel, dash cap and vents were sold to other members, I do have the wiper switches w/bezels, and the gauge cluster bezel though. The glove box door was already taken or was missing before I found the car.

The close up photo shows the only real damage to the dash. There is a light scratch here and there, but barely visible. I buffed up most of the paint, all but the nooks and crannies, on the front and half of the top.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

71pintoracer

Dave, the drill bit is available on the tool trucks, (snap-on, mac, ect) not sure of the price. It is a double-ended bit so you get to wear it out twice!  ;D
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

dave1987

Got to visit my friends at the parts counter at Ford today and figure out some info on fuel sending units. Here we go....

D9FZ-9275-A
(non-wagon) 77-79 Pinto - 4cyl only
                   77-78 Mustang - 4cyl only
(non-wagon) 77-79 Bobcat - 4cyl only


D7ZZ-9275-A
(non-wagon) 77-79 Pinto 6cyl
                   77-78 Mustang 6 or 8cyl
(non-wagon) 77-79 Bobcat 6cyl


Wagon units are different, but I could not get the part numbers or interchangeability for the wagons, as the bulb for the microfiche blew out.

If anyone needs a 77 Bobcat Wagon fuel sending unit, let me know! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I'll let you know tomorrow how it works out, Phil. I got your voicemail but have been a bit busy, and my black friday trip was my only time away from work all week. I will call you Monday about that part.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

phils toys

My local harbor freight  carries them in stock and the price was  about $4.00  but  i haqve not tried it  yet.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

dave1987

I couldn't find that special drill bit at sears or home depot, but I will check harbour freight for that other one, which is available on their website. It appears to just be a very small hole saw (I am more familiar with hole saws 1-6 inches).
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

I believe I saw that for sale at Harbor Freight for about $4.00. It may only be a cheap brand but I'm sure it would do the job.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

map351

Try a Blair Double-End Spotweld Cutter..  The Blair does a nice clean job of removing the spot welds and the panel..



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Quote from: dave1987 on November 29, 2008, 11:53:31 PM


Apparently a sawzall isn't even allowed at the yard I frequent, but they told me that AFTER I cut the floor out. I guess I will have to find another way to cut floor pans in the future. :(


It called a hammer and several very sharp chisels!!!!!! LOL  Our yards don't allow sawsawls either!  We had to hammer and chisel the front clip out of a car once!!! Pretty fun!!! LOL
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

71pintoracer, thank you soo much for the heads up on the special drill bit, I now know how I will pull the cowl vent from the car at the yard! ;D

I will try to get pictures tomorrow. It has been a long day getting things done.

Apparently a sawzall isn't even allowed at the yard I frequent, but they told me that AFTER I cut the floor out. I guess I will have to find another way to cut floor pans in the future. :(

If all else fails for the sending unit, at least I have a spare for someone whom might need one. :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

71pintoracer

There is a special drill bit made just for spot welds, it is kind of flat on the cutting end so you can just cut thru the weld and outer metal. Then use your air chisel to cut away the unwanted part.
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

phils toys

I believe the sending units are different  from a wagon to a sedan the tanks are  and the parts book has a different  # for them.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Wittsend

Dave,
  There is a tool specially designed for cutting out spot welds. On the other hand, I used an angle grinder and ground out spot welds when I made replacement panels for my Pinto floor. Basically I used the grinder on the discs edge and ground where the spot weld showed.  You need to be careful not to cut too deep into the metal you want to save. However it is inevitable that you will grind some of it.  It will take some time to accomplish.
Tom

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Well I got the pan cut out today, so I can repair the rotted section of my floor when I have my windshield replaced!

While I was there I grabbed the fuel sending unit. I do not know if a Bobcat wagon unit will work with a Pinto sedan though. If anyone knows, I would be happy to hear! Any ideas on how to test it?

I also grabbed a set of mudflaps off of a Jeep Cherokee that I can cut to the shape and fit of the Pinto, so hopefully that will protect the quarter panel on the passenger side that is starting to rot.


Now, how do I go about separating the the sub frame from this floor pan?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

You paid $1.88 for an Omni GLH Turbo hood vent?!? Now that is a find and a half. Those suckers go for $40 easily! On the other hand, may another GLH rest in piece.. such a waste since those cars are rare in good shape.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Wittsend

Well..., I went to the Pick A Part 50% off sale on Thursday in Sun Valley, CA..  It never rains in California (Southern), but it did this week.  Everything was wet and the yard was strewn with parts because no one wanted to go out in the rain and clean it up.

Anyway, only one Pinto (1973 wagon) and it was rather gutted.  The glass was good, and if you want an early style sway bar... .  But that was about it.  No Mustang II's either. I've been searching for a way of getting air to the turbo intercooler (stock T/C) and have been hoping to find a Nissan 300 ZX hood scoop that is an ideal fit.  No luck.  I pulled the intake grate off a turbo Dodge Omni ($1.88 out the door) and while it fits the intercooler footprint it looks like a BBQ grill.  There is no real ducting of air (like a scoop), but it looked like rain and leave have an easy ingress. At this point I'm going to proceed with using a single T/C scoop.  I mapped it out today.

So, my "black" Friday was a dark Thursday.  Oh..., wait..,  I did pull a vacuum fitting off a Mustang 2.3.  I ground the top of it, and filed the treads in my lathe.  Now rather than the stock T/C fitting hitting the hood I have nearly 1/4" of clearance.  Ahhh, the silver lining in my cloud.

All the best with the floors.  Someday I have the same planned for my Corvair Wagon.
Tom

dga57

You have a wicked sense of humor there, Kim!  LOL :lol:
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.