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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Popbumper's '76 wagon - update

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popbumper

Hey Mark! Thanks for the comments and for taking time to write! IIRC I have seen your car on Dallas Craigslist over the past year! Would be great to meet up sometime, 78TXPony and I have become good friends and it's great to have locals nearby that appreciate Pintos.

Send me a msg sometime if you get a chance. Thanks for checking my "story", there's a lot to do but a lot has been done, so I am happy to make progress.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

marksm

Howdy neighbor.. Read through the entire thread today. It's looking very nice. I hope my 72 will look as good someday.

1972 Pinto Wagon with Cruisin panels on it
1973 Ranchero Squire
2006 MX5 Sport
2007 Buell XB9S

popbumper

That would be my goal - hope it can happen. I have secured the space (garage) I am in with the owner for the next year, so I am good there. Whew!!

As soon as the welding is done, bodywork commences.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

phils toys

if you have it done in early spring you can have it at carlisle
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

dga57

Glad to hear you've rediscovered your excitement!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

popbumper

Quick update for 4/11/10

OK, it's official, I'm getting excited again. 78TXPony (Rob) and I travelled out to the garage today so I could show him my progress and get the car ready for the trip to the welder for installation of the NOS passenger inner fender. Rob agreed that once this hurdle is overcome, I am "on the way".

As a redirective today, pulling the car out of the garage into the driveway and blasting all the dust off and vacuuming it, it really occured to me that the next >logical< step is bodywork. Here again, Rob agreed with me - the car is pretty much a shell at this point, motor and tranny out, interior stripped, doors and fenders off, and being in this state REALLLY allows for concentration on the body.

If I opt to do this, I can then plan on the next couple months devoted to bodywork, and finishing the underframe (rear end/drive shaft/rack and pinion), while I put the engine and tranny in the shop for rebuild. The doors can be stripped down as well, small holes repaired, everything restored, and the hood and fenders can also undergo restoration. Paint makes sense because the car is stripped, and everything else can follow.

It's coming together again, I will have pics for everyone this Wednesday before the car travels. Thanks for the support, my long term goal is to have the car on the road next Spring.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dga57

Sounds like you're getting excited about it again, though... and that's a good thing!
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Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

popbumper

All:

Will be back at it this weekend. Need to do final prep, as the car is slated to go to the High School shop next week or weekend for the NOS inner fender welding and installation.

AFTER THAT THE MAJOR RUST IS GONE!!!

ROB, I WILL BE CALLING SOON. Can't wait, that hurdle has really held me back for a long time. From there:

1a) Change out steering rack
1b) Restore steering column (started)
2) Prime and paint engine compartment/cowl/bulkheads
3) Replace rusty front passenger brake line (already pulled)
4) Repopulate engine compartment with peripheral goodies
5) Repopulate inner firewall
6) Paint dash, repopulate, reinstall
7) Listen to the wife tell me what a waste of money it all is (oops, not supposed to write that)

Then on to:
Motor/tranny rebuild
Windshield install
Interior repaint
Door / fender/ hood restoration
8" Rear end restoration and install

...still wondering if I will ever get done.....!

More pics soon folks.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

Yep, junkyarding is always fun.  Kinda like a woman stuck in a shopping mall...  :o
If you need some ramps for short term use, I have a set.  However, you push, I 'll steer.   :P  Heck, with no engine or front fenders, we might be able to just lift it up there.  Fill the gas tank and it might stay up on its own!   ::)
I used an impact wrench to get my old rack off.  I also used it to put it on, cause it was difficult to torque to 100ft lbs laying on my back.  :nocool:
The ladyfriend will be leaving the country on a long business trip in a couple weeks, so I will have plenty of car time after that...   :hypno:
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
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1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
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popbumper

Thanks Rob, always nice to know you are "next door". Now that the weather is nice I will have to have you out - in fact, you could probably help me get some things arranged. One thing I need to do is get the front end up on ramps so I can pull the steering rack and get the tranny tunnel prepped for paint. Maybe next weekend.

Let's also plan on a trip out to that junkyard I told you about last year - down south - and see what they have. Could be fun before it gets too hot!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

Great progress, Chris - it's about dang time it has warmed up enough to start car work.  I have just began mine a couple weeks ago.  I finished restoring some door hinges.

What will you use to paint your engine bay with?  Original paint color?

I agree you should write a book with your processes and pictures.  Computer should make that easy. 

I am keeping a big journal on my Oldsmobile resto.  Whenever I post on a forum, I just copy and paste from it.  Later it will be easy to convert into an interesting book (If I get around to it...)

Big work on my Pinto will be done in mid April - May when the Olds interior is complete. 
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

hellfirejim

I write for a living though on the technical side.  I find it very satisfying.  Though I have not written a book, I would think that would be an interesting challenge.  if you decide on writing the book let me know and i will offer my help.
jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


dga57

Quote from: popbumper on March 15, 2010, 05:28:00 PM
Dwayne:

  Have published before in model railroading mags (10 articles back in the 90's), and in the current issue of Pinto times, and agree it's a lot of fun. A book however would be what I call a "life accomplishment", not for the weary. Might be a lot easier than redoing my car though, no?  :D

Chris

Chris,

I had published before too, but nothing equals the rush of a real book!  You strike me as a natural writer so, yes, you probably would find authoring a book to be less work than restoring your Pinto.

With fiction, I have found that if you create and develop strong characters, they tend to take on a life of their own.  Then all the author has to do is type fast enough to keep up!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

popbumper

Dwayne:

  Have published before in model railroading mags (10 articles back in the 90's), and in the current issue of Pinto times, and agree it's a lot of fun. A book however would be what I call a "life accomplishment", not for the weary. Might be a lot easier than redoing my car though, no?  :D

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dga57

Quote from: popbumper on March 15, 2010, 01:58:14 PM
...pound the pavement....maybe I should write a book on Pinto restoration... :P

....DING.......!

...always wanted to write a book.

Chris

All I've ever written has been fiction, but I can tell you from firsthand experience, there is nothing quite like the rush of seeing your work in published form!
Go for it!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

popbumper

...pound the pavement....maybe I should write a book on Pinto restoration... :P

....DING.......!

...always wanted to write a book.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Starsky and Hutch

It`s like you got a little ford factory goin on there bud!!!!!!!!     9 pages to read ,,keep pounding the pavement ...
1977 Pinto Accent stripe group Runabout                                                                    interior(Code PN) Color (Code R2)

popbumper

Thanks guys, your positive comments really keep me going. It's nice to have the support.  ;)

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

hellfirejim

Be thankful you are working out of a garage.  What you are doing is the only way it gets done.  You do the first step and then the second step and so on.  You look to be making good progress.  keep going and don't forget pictures.
jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


dga57

Quote from: popbumper on March 14, 2010, 09:59:17 PM
Thanks Dave. It will be a miracle if I get this car done!!!  ;D

Chris

I definitely believe in miracles, but this doesn't qualify as a miracle... it's the end result of a lot of determination, hard work, and skill!  You're doing a beautiful job, Chris.  Keep it up!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

popbumper

Quote from: dave1987 on March 14, 2010, 09:50:23 PM
Wow, great work there Chris! Talk about a Pinto being stripped down!

Thanks Dave. It will be a miracle if I get this car done!!!  ;D

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

Moving on.

Photo 4 (painted frame rail) - Satisfied with the effort of cleaning and etching the rail, I then applied a coat of POR-15. This will provide a solid barrier and undercoat for the restoration paint. Note how the paint does NOT cover the edges near the weld drill holes - this is because the car will be traveling (trailered) to a local high school in the near future to have an NOS inner fender welded back in. Cost? $0. In fact, the bottom of the radiator support will also be replaced, as it currently looks like swiss cheese.

Photo 5 (firewall and tunnel) - This is a "down-on" shot of what the engine compartment and firewall currently look like, aside from the removed inner fender. Most of the firewall has been cleaned and sanded, the lower front crossmember is cleaned, and I will be replacing the rack and pinion assembly with a new unit, as well as removing the steering column to restore it (in fact, I have been restoring another one on the side so I can swap it out).

The goal here is to get the front end 100% mechanically new, and it's close. I also plan to do an engine rebuild, while maintaining the 2.3 and having some modifications made to the block and head to better the horsepower. No turbo, no V8, just a nicely warmed and tuned 2.3 - goal about 150 HP.

Once the new inner fender is installed, I will repaint the entire front end sheetmetal set (inner fenders, radiator support, cowl, firewall, rad support). ....and then start reassembly of the peripheral engine compartment equipment, including restuffing the firewall, replacing the heater box, and reinstalling the restored dash.

Stay tuned, LOTS more to come! Going on two years as of June with this restoration.....

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

Wow, great work there Chris! Talk about a Pinto being stripped down!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

popbumper

Update for March 14, 2010

Been more than two months since my last post. That day - coldest in the Winter for North Texas - a really remarkable one, with snows beating every historical record, and lots of grey skies, rain, wind. Amazing.

Now, more than two months later - the warmest day of the year so far (73 degrees) with bright blue skies. Yes, it meant a visit to the garage, of course!!

Now, there's some catching up to do, as last Fall found me pulling the engine, the tranny, and the passenger door. While I got a LITTLE done between then and now, I am again on an upward trek, beating down what will be the last of the major efforts to get the car back on track.

Tonite's features? A smattering of photos showing just how much work is involved in taking out an inner fender (well, what it looks like AFTER all the work), and the process of cleaning out an engine compartment to prepare for a full restoration.

Photo 1 (spot weld view) -  this photo is dark, but if you look around you will see several dozen holes where light is coming through. The big opening is where my completely rust eaten inner fender USED to be, and yes, those holes are the dozens of spot welds I had to drill out to pull it, including several on the firewall. Ack - and people say these cars were poorly constructed - NOT.

Photo 2 (bare frame rail) - Amazing, the amount of room that is made when the inner fender is gone. Of course, rust often travels with gravity, and the rust really started a downward drive on the inner frame rail. Here the rail has already been sanded and wire wheeled several times to clean it of grime, paint, and rust. You can see the cleanliness of the front end components, which were restored/replaced last year.

Phot 3 (etching frame rail) - Here I have sprayed the frame rail (after another heavy wire wheeling) with phosphoric acid to get the rust in the pits - and cover the rail with a phosphate coating before POR-15 is applied.
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

I went and checked on my li'l project tonite, coldest night this year in Texas. She is sitting patiently waiting on some more love. Been too cold to do any work (yeah, see what happens when you "smart off" to the Northern guys about mild Texas Winters)? :'(

Of course I know it's hitting everyone, so much for global warming. Al is putting a log on the fire now. Poor guy.

Back with more fun once it gets tolerable, the shop owner and I buy a decent heater, or both. The only good news is, I have been working on pinball machines and generating more dough to fund the new engine that's going in this Spring. My, my, isn't restoring a car expensive?  :o

Stay warm everyone!!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

Well, it looks like some progress... Keep it up!
I am finally driving my pony, but I sure miss the heated seats in the Caddy. 

Chris - WHERE did you get your seat covering again?  I need to get my drivers seat redone soon and i will do seat heaters in it just like in my Olds.   ;D
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

Disco:

  Always good to hear from you, the inner fender is about 75% out (spent time on it yesterday but I forgot the memory stick in the camera - argggh). LOTS of spot welds to drill!! Glad you are driving your car again, best wishes also for you at this time of year, stay healthy and happy!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

discolives78

It would be cool if the students can pull it off! Hope you are having a most wonderful holiday season, Chris  :)

:afro:

P.S. I'm driving my car these days! :fastcar:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

popbumper

Rob, my press secretary..... :P

No, no, it's not done yet, it's been too stinking cold, and the money flow has slowed, so I have been concentrating my efforts towards cash flow, working on pinball machines again.

I bought some good spot weld drill bits today, and with Sunday's temp forecasted near 70 degrees, you know where I will be. Gotta get that inner fender out, and do some more rust treatment.

Once the money gets a bit better, the motor goes to the shop. Have to have it in by Spring. Hope all winter is not this cold - been very unusual here.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster