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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Popbumper's '76 wagon - update

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popbumper

And finally - with the drivers' side firewall nearly complete, I have yet to install the power brake setup in the engine compartment, readjust the clutch cable, and get her fired up again. For better or worse, I figured while I was at the firewall, I need to go "all the way".

Pic 7: Inside the engine compartment, I located the heater hoses, cut them, and bypassed the heater core. Taking out the four bolts that hold the blower motor to the firewall. the whole heater box assembly nicely slips out of the car in one piece. Look at all the lovely surface rust and general filth - I promise you, in a short time it will all look next to new.

Pic 8: This shows the next are that will be tackled, first with FatMat, then with sound deadener. You can see the dealer A/C box as it sits on the tranny hump, waiting for reinstallation.

You know, I have been into this for over a year now, and I am amazed at the amount of work it is. That's not a complaint; I suppose I could have "stopped myself down" from doing so much, but I am driven to do as much as I can. This car will drive like new when finished, look better than factory in many respects, be mechanically new, and be quieter to boot. I >do< get weary of it from time to time, but I continue on, hpoing to cross that next bridge...

NEXT: Firewall completion THEN dash rebuild and reinstallation. It's gonna be beautiful....!
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

Continuing on.

Pic 4: Once the pad is placed at the firewall, everything is glued and carefully trimmed to the surrounding mechanisms. All items which are "in the way" need to be accounted for, including the windshield wiper motor, which is removed and repainted. Adjustments are made, the layer is not perfect, but far superior to the factory mat.

Pic 5: With the pad and mat work finished, the assembled brake/clutch pedal hangar can be reinstalled to the firewall. There's a lot of work to do here; all braces/brackets must be realigned, the pedals must be linked to their proper mechs, everything must be tightened down. I found that the clutch cable length had to be adjusted, and for some unknown reason, the clutch pad sits higher than the brake pad. I also reinstalled the freshened gas pedal assembly; I sure wish I had a new "pad" to match the new brake and clutch pads.

Pic 6: Here's a bottom shot of everything looking up from the floor. Note how clean everything is - it looks SO much batter than it did when I first got the car. NOTE the steering column has not yet been attached (nor the rubber "seal" installed at the firewall) and needs a good cosmetic restoration itself. Given the condition of the original plastic parts, most of them are being replaced.
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

pintogirl

Very nice!! I like the pics. Specially the side by side. Sure shows a difference on how much nicer the new is!!!

Great update!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

popbumper

Update for October 18th, 2009

With the weather finally cooperating, much was accomplished this past weekend. For those who have been watching, the firewall area around the drivers area has been in heavy work, both preparing for new insulation/sound deadening material(s), as well as restoration of the brake/clutch pedal assembly, and swapover to power brakes. This has been a huge project, I probably spent 10 hours in the car this weekend alone.

On to the show - Pic 1 shows the installation of "FatMat" sound deadening material to the firewall area. This material dampens vibrations, and is a good heat/cold block as well. It has a very sticky backing, and once on, is virtually impossible to peel off. This material was carefully cut to the firewall, and up around the cowl underside.

Pic 2 - on top of the Fatmat, I am adding a vinyl/foam barrier for sound reduction. This material is made by "Second Skin", and will replace the old, scrungy jute/rubber firewall pad. Now, in order to "fit" it properly. I used the original firewall jute pad as a guide for cutting holes in the proper places; note them side by side.

Pic 3 - Here, the small but important "gas pedal plate" has been added to the material, just as it was in the factory pad (placed in the pad, and gently "hammered" so that it grips the pad). Now, with some careful cutting, the pad will be installed to the firewall using spray contact cement.
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78txpony

Sounds like a productive weekend if the weather is right...
Saturday I am going to an all-day all-Olds show in Ft Worth, complete with nightly drag racing.  IF you want to go, let me know and you can drive the 86 - I am taking the vert... 
Sunday is up in the air - the ladyfriend is robbing me of time lately... :hypno:
I should be able to stop by for a short time, just to make sure you are working on your car.....
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

Hey Rob:

  I will be more careful with my wording  :P. The car is nice and dry - for a change - as am I.

This weekend is "install sound deadening material/reinstall pedal hangar/get the power brakes in/restart the car" weekend. If you are around, you may want to see/share in the festivities.

I should have bought a finished car - shutting my mouth now  :reek:.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

Quote from: popbumper on October 12, 2009, 10:06:55 AM
I did buy a car cover, so at least I am not getting soaked anymore.
Chris
Uhhh, Chris, the car cover goes on the CAR, not you!   :lol:  You need to reread the instructions...  :read:

Have you installed a bilge pump in it yet?   :P  :lol: 

This weather is totally different than last year's... However the last electric bill of $48 was a welcomed treat.  My Pinto project is on hold due to rain also.  The box o' parts is ready though...
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

"Semi-update" for October 12, 2009

"Rain, rain, go away"  >:(. Unlike last Fall, which had literal WEEKS of beautiful weather, this year we went directly from Summer to Winter. It has been cold (for Texas) - about 55 degrees every day, cloudy, raining all the time. Of course, with the car sitting in the driveway, I have been unable to get hardly ANYTHING done. I did buy a car cover, so at least I am not getting soaked anymore.

As soon as I have more to post, I will. The car is slated to move to a buddy's shop, but until I get the driver's firewall area done (again, can't due to rain), I can't move the car. Right now, I am still in the midst of restoring this area, putting down some "FatMat" and "Second Skin" sound dampeners (in place of the original decaying jute material). The vent and windshield wiper motor have been restored, and everything is going over to a power brake setup.

More later, with pics. They are telling us sunshine this weekend  :cheesy_n:.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

Oh BOY, my bad, very sorry..... :rolleye:

Thanks regardless, Kim, I appreciate the patience!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

pintogirl

Quote from: popbumper on September 11, 2009, 10:00:03 PM
Hey Becky!

  Thanks for the kind words. This is a lot of work, but there is plenty being learned. I have been taking photos I have not shown here so that I can write specific articles and submit them to the magazine as things get done. I know Matt is busy - I already have an article out to him called "What they don't tell you about Pintos" that talks about some of the unexpected challenges and pitfalls the unsuspecting Pinto owner goes through when restoring one!

Again, thanks for reading, I hope these recaps help someone along the way!!

Chris

LOL  It's Kim, but that's ok! I don't mind being called Becky!!  ;D

I can't wait for the next magazine!!!! Looking forward to your article!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

popbumper

Hey Becky!

  Thanks for the kind words. This is a lot of work, but there is plenty being learned. I have been taking photos I have not shown here so that I can write specific articles and submit them to the magazine as things get done. I know Matt is busy - I already have an article out to him called "What they don't tell you about Pintos" that talks about some of the unexpected challenges and pitfalls the unsuspecting Pinto owner goes through when restoring one!

Again, thanks for reading, I hope these recaps help someone along the way!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

pintogirl

Chris, are you going to be submitting all this to the magazine? I think it would be an excellent build article!! I know I am following this thread because I plan on doing the same thing with my car. I'm not to thrilled about disconecting all the wiring under the dash, but I'm sure if I forget where something goes, I can always ask you or someone on here!!!


In other words, I really like your thread on this project!!! ;D  Well done!!! Well, not done, but..... you know!! LOL ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

popbumper

With the heater box started, and the pedal set near restored, we get to one of the MAIN reasons I wanted to pull the dash. If you have kept up, you saw the rework of the cowl hole that I did a few months back. The extent of the damage at this area was worse than I though, but not as bad as it could have been since it has now been arrested.

Picture 11 shows the corner of the dash where the leak existed. Note the water leakage as it had creeped into the pillar/firewall interface. The rust here was pretty bad.

Picture 12 - Not only had the rust affected the interface, but had crept up around the pillar and into the rain gutter weld as well. This required some original body seam sealer removal, which showed rust underneath.

Picture 13 - Using a wire wheel, the area was carefully ground down on all surfaces, getting the pitted metal shiny. Note the small holes at the pillar; had this been left to itself, the pillar would have disintegrated, pulling the roof away from the firewall. Wow!!

Picture 14 - The whole area sealed with POR-15. I have yet to add POR-15 putty to this area, and fill/sand/prime before repaint.

That's is for now. The next few weeks promise to be most interesting as the dash is replaced (as fully restored), power brakes are installed, and the car goes to the shop for a new headliner. NOT SHOWN - I am also in the midst of restoring the steering column, with everything being repainted and the mechanicals cleaned/adjusted. Have fun, hope you enjoyed this update.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

Moving right along, the pedals and pedal hanger beg for attention, having originally been installed at the factory as natural metal that has long since developed a coat of rust. Part of this rework is also to convert the manual brakes to power brakes; the RESTORED unit is for a power brake setup, and is different from the original.

Photo 7 - The pedal hangar removed, with pedals, front view. Not a lot to talk about here, but if you have not seen one out of a car, here it is.

Photo 8 - same hangar from the rear view. The rear of the bracket bolts up to the firewall and interfaces with the master cylinder and clutch cable, where applicable.

Photo 9 - This pedal hangar (a donor from a '78 with auto tranny and power brakes) was carefully disassembled into pieces, sandblasted, painted with POR-15, then a metallic topcoat, and reassembled. Pics of the pedals installed later.

Photo 10 - Hangar reassembled minus the pedals.
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

As said, having the dash out allows for a great deal of attention to much needed items, as well as a thorough inspection of everything. Focus one: HEATER BOX

Picture 4 - Fall began EARLY in my heater box, stuff with leaves and debris from years past, including three large mud dauber nests. It's no wonder the fan would never turn on. This mess will be vacuumed out, and everything will be carefully washed/scrubbed.

Picture 5 - with the heater box opened up, the internals are exposed. The hoses and heater core look fine, but the "mix door" is well rusted with a deteriorating surround. This door will be replaced with a NOS unit.  

Picture 6 - The outside of the box turned over; the metal divertor plate is rusty, and the gasket is well worn. The box itself is cracked, and there is a hole in it where the mount bracket used to be. Blink77 has kindly stepped forward to donate a solid replacement.
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

Update for September 9th, 2009

It has been an interesting Summer. Forget that, it's been TOO hot to do anything - and yes, the time I have waited for is here. About a week ago, we had a reprieve in the weather, and the weather is promising to get cooler - SO - time for another season of car work.

On tap? Something that has been planned ever since the windshield was removed - DASH REMOVAL AND RESTORATION.

Photo 1 shows one step in removal of the dash. This is accomplished by loosening four screws at the base, separating it from the steering column, and loosening 6 screws beneath the rubber seal where the dash meets the windshield.

Photo 2 shows the loosened dash, ready to pull away from the car once theharness and control bezels have been removed

Photo 3 shows the dash out, and the undersides exposed. Note the heater box with a hole in it, the loose and hanging underdash A/C blower unit, the loose harness, etc. There are quite a few things to address here!
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popbumper

Yeah Rob - you can imagine my excitement when I got home last night - after dinner I disaapeared, I think the family thought I was alien abducted  ::).

Got pics of everything. My heater box needs rebuilt (has a hole in it....and it's NOT a stock P/N for my year car, probably because of the dealer A/C). The dampers are all rusty, and gaskets need to be replaced (I will cut my own). Kinda think I will stop at the firewall and leave the heater box and motor intact (that is, attached). No real reason to remove anything back there. Rest of the floor will get the Dynamat treatment before being recarpeted.

Visited with the local upholstery guy at lunch - I'm gonna pull the car over there in a week or two and get a new headliner (about $300 installed). Gonna get color matched "close enough" - don't want to spend $229 on an original, and can't put the windshield back in until the headliner is replaced.

FUN, FUN. More later - you need to come by and inspect the process.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

Take extra pictures of the heater box for me - I am curious to see what it is like.  Mine has never been out, but EVENTUALLY I need to replace those rotting heater hoses before they decide to blow...
Maybe I can stop by some time and look at it. 

Isn't this weather great?  I was out for an hour yesterday sanding & cleaning a sway bar and never sweated a drop!! ;D  Tonight I will paint the bar with POR15...
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

No pics tonite but stay tuned. SEASON TWO of "Restore my Pinto Wagon" began tonite; the wether is FINALLY starting to cool down, high today was only 87, and for Texas, that's AWESOME. Spent about 1.5 hours tonite outdoors doing some much needed teardown....

....with the official removal of the original dashboard. Holy moly, getting a dash out is a wonderful thing, and I can't wait to finish it; I have another dash out of a '78 waiting in the wings and being painted/populated for the great swapover. Taking a look at the harnesses and such, all looks pretty good, though of course the pedal hangar and associated brackets are quite rusty (again, no worries, I have sandblasted and painted a replacement set on the side)!! My heater box was chock full of mud dauber nest/insulation/dead leaves, it is finally clean again, though needs carefully cleaned up/repainted/restored.

  Once the dash is done, the headliner goes in, and the car moves into a garage...where I will pull and replace the rear end with a better restored one, pull the motor and replace the inner fender, and get my interior done. This Fall/Winter should be a VERY active time and I plan to get a lot done.

I am stoked. Fall is ALMOST HERE!! Again, sorry no pics tonite, I took them but they need resizing and I have to do it.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

I used a special knife I bought at the glass store for just this purpose. It is like a safety knife with an extendable blade, and can cut very deep. I probably did not need it, but I chose it since I have >no< experience pulling windshields.

Man, another 4 weeks and it should start cooling down. I CAN'T wait, 'cause I want to get cracking on the car again!!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

75bobcatv6

take a guitar string pref a D string.(i play guitar) its the 4th largest string you can get. get that through the old silicone or what ever they used to fasten the window down and just Slowly use it like a saw and work your way through that adhesive. (if its Adhered that way) Gl jim

hellfirejim

Question on the windshield pull.  What advice can you give as I will have a 77 donor car that I want the windshield to put into my 75?  Pulling the old without breaking and such.  Any thoughts would be welcome.

jim
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discolives78

I'm surprized it's not up on a 'rotisseire' yet, Chris.  ;D

Lots done, and lots to do. :) :o  You've got your hands full of small pieces :laugh: I'd say you're doing a pretty thorough restoration there! :)

Good luck...

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

popbumper

Quote from: 78txpony on July 13, 2009, 12:11:43 PM
Looking good, Chris - smells like progress...  ::)
I see lots of painting in your near future!  8)


Thanks SmallFryefarm. It's all for a good cause, glad you know what it is like.

Hey Rob, painting started last night at 8 PM - you know, when the sun finally started going down and it was still 95 degrees. Got one shock and the bumper insert mostly done, and quit about 9 PM. Plan to do a little more tonite!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

smallfryefarm

It really is looking good Chris. I dont envy your work, i have a 65 mustang down to the bone going thru the same things. Its not the kinda of work i like to do. But it will one day have its rewards. Keeper up.
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78txpony

Looking good, Chris - smells like progress...  ::)
I see lots of painting in your near future!  8)
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popbumper

That would be the only way to assure that everything was legal. Since I have a valid title and am the owner, there should be no problem.

The 1978 dash VIN plate is also invalid, because in Texas, once a car has been sold off to salvage, it can never be resold to the public. The junkyard who sold me the dash never even mentioned it.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

pintogirl

When I stripped my first Pinto, I had intentions of using it's dash for my good car. The only thing is, the vin number is in the dash. What did you do to solve the vin number problem? Are you going to drill out the rivots and re rivot the correct vin into your "new" dash? I was thinking of doing it that way, but you have to make the "rosets" in them and hope that a LEO doesn't see that it has been tampered with. I know that a Pinto shouldn't draw to much attention as far as that goes, but you never know!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

popbumper

MISC STUFF - no trip to the sandblaster is complete without LOTS of parts. In the process of handing over the dash, I also handed over plenty of miscelleneous parts that needed to be done, including the front BUMPER INSERT sitting behind it. Rust had really taken a toll on this piece, pitting it with holes; this unit will be painted with POR-15 and POR-15 chassis black, the same way I treated the rear insert.

This final pic for tonite shows the other stuff that was sandblasted along with the dash and insert, including:

1) Front bumper shocks
2) Gas/brake pedal levers
3) Underdash brake/clutch support
4) Underdash braces
5) Fuse box support
6) Fender to chassis linkages
7) Glove box and hinge
8 Ash tray and ash tray insert
9) Headlamp bucket
10) Rear spring shock brackets
11) Rear spring isolator brackets
12) Front license plate holder

There's lots of painting to do over the next few weeks, and once it starts to cool down, I am going after the dash in the car. Lots of work there - heater box, A/C, harness, lots of maintenance.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

DASH AREA - with the windshield out, it becomes an easy task to pull the dashboard. Why pull the dash? Well, in my case, at MINIMUM I want to have a car that is mechanically sound, and has a perfect interior - bodywork and repaint can always be last. With the job that the Texas sun did on my interior over 30+ years, the dash deserves a full restoration - and NEEDS it, besides.

A few months back, 78TXPony and I went to a local junkyard and stripped a '78 sedan to almost nothing. I pulled the dash, in hopes of restoring it outside of the car, so that when I pulled my own dash, I could pop a completely rebuilt unit in, which would make things a little bit easier. The two dashes are pretty much identical.

If you have never seen a full dashboard out of a Pinto, enjoy these pics. The dash will be PERFECT when I get done with it.

Pic 1 - Donor dashboard
Pic 2 - Rear of donor dashboard
Pic 3 - Donor dashboard sandblasted
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08