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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Popbumper's '76 wagon - update

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dianne

Looks awesome!!! I love the work on it and I'm sure your wife will appreciate driving it!

WOW, inspiring...
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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dga57

Quote from: popbumper on October 10, 2013, 01:49:53 PM
Paid way to much for it to begin with, but I'll be very proud of it when it's done.

And that's what make it all ultimately worthwhile!!!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

popbumper

Hi guys:
  Yeah, been two years since I have been out here, progress is very slow but sure. This is my active time with the weather cooperative (too hot in Summer).

  A quick synopsis of where I am at - I'll post pics later to Photobucket.

1) EXTERIOR:  Bodywork is 95% complete. All body panels are on the car again, but all windows are out. The drivers side, hood and rear door have been painted - allowing me to get an idea of what I missed during prime/block/sand (a few spots); I will paint the rest of it within a few weeks. Then, I will repair, resand, and send to a GOOD painter who has the proper facilities for final coat.

2) INTERIOR:
a) The dashboard goes in this weekend. It is fitted with NOS outlets, NOS control for the heat and A/C, a NOS dashcap, NOS ashtray assembly, and NOS speaker. It's absolutely beautiful.
b) Floor, roof, and side panels have been lined with Fatmat Extreme. All other interior surfaces have been repainted to correct factory color.
c) New headliner goes in within two weeks.
d) NOS windshield goes in after headliner.

3) MECHANICAL:
a) Car purchased with horrible and falling apart dealer installed A/C. Found a rotten '74 wagon that had factory A/C and we pulled the whole unit, ductwork, restored everything, and installed it in my wagon. It will be powered with a NEW compressor.
b) Rear end!! The only thing that remains to be restored. Need new springs and have to restore the housing.
This has been a five year project so far - as close to "frame off (LOL)" as you can get. Looking back I would NOT have picked this car having found what was wrong (some pretty bad rust for a Texas car, deteriorating plastics, leaking gas tank, mechanically shot suspension), but all has been long since repaired and I have fought through it. Paid way to much for it to begin with, but I'll be very proud of it when it's done.
Thanks all.
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

blupinto

Well, when you're done with yours... come on over and I'll give you another project! lol  You do a great job of painting, among other things. My '74, who is in the garage wasting away, needs a paint job stat!  ;)
One can never have too many Pintos!

popbumper

Dwayne & Blu:

  I greatly appreciate the positive comments - folks like you keep me running "for the goal". More than halfway there now, never thought I'd get as far as I did. Years back, I did a frame off on a 1957 Chevy - got it to the SAME point I am now with the Pinto, and sold it before finishing. The Pinto WILL be finished......it will not have the same fate! Hope to see you guys out there one day.....

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

blupinto

It's so good to "hear" the pep in your "voice" again, Chris. I know this was a long drawn-out project but you're doing a beautiful job on that wagon.

As for pinholes in doorskins... you should've seen Ruby RedHot's driver's door before it got replaced... a looooong ragged hole about the length of the door on the outside... lacy on the inside... :P

Dwayne gave me an idea of what might've happened in my case- drain plugs in the doors not removed upon delivery to the dealership, which equals lots of sitting water after rains came and went... well... you know the rest... ::)
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

That engine looks amazing!  I'm sure it was a thrill to see it move under its own power!  I'm betting that you'll have it 100% completed by the time that four year anniversary rolls around! 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

popbumper

Update for November 27th 2011

Time marches on, and along the road of the tedious path to restoration, welcome milestones happen. With a long 2011 near behind us, the hottest Summer on record in Texas, and a stint at a friend's shop for just over two years, I brought my car home today - to begin its final journey towards completion.

The bright, sunny cool day was a perfect one, and my buddy Rob was again helpful as he has always been, lining up local transportation with a friend who owns a car hauling trailer. Rob and I hit the road at about 11:45 today for what would be the final trek out to the garage in which a remarkable amount of work has been accomplished across the last two years.

Backing up the "tape" a bit, Rob and I had both been struggling to accomplish the goal of making the car mobile this year - as well as completing all of the bodywiork that could possibly be done, and hanging panels (doors and fenders) which had previously been reworked/primered/painted. The weather in North Texas had been very, very favorable over the last few months, allowing for these things to happen. Interestingly, I had also been out of work between July and October, and while not having a paycheck was challenging, I had loads of free time - and filled my hours with car work, which moved my calendar up considerably. Can you say "blessing in disguise?"

With the sun full shine, we arrived at the garage. The day prior had been cold, gray, windy and wet - so the timing was perfect. After adding fresh gas to the tank, the engine fired willingly, and idled smoothly. The car was moved from the garage out to the street - a long trek in reverse, but flawless in execution.
It was WONDERFUL to see the car move under its own power again - MANY thanks to Rob, who is far more talented in the mechanical department (whereas I LOVE body and paint work). Rob's friend showed up, and we headed home.

With the engine compartment complete and 95% of the bodywork done, I yet need to work on the hood and rear door, as well as finish some minor details at the quarters. The paint in the door jambs has already been finished, as well as on the door edges itself, and around the rear side windows. I will likely remove the fenders again and have them shot seperately with the hood and rear door before they are reinstalled.

The car sits now in my garage at home, not at all a perfect place for work (two cars in the garage), but I will do some interior work over the winter (floor finish, dash reassembly, new headliner installation) as the weather allows. This Spring? Paint is what it's all about!! Then, weatherstripping, dash, windshield, carpet, interior panels, interior and exterior trim....all the "icing".

July of 2012 marks the four year anniversary of the purchase of this car, and I hope to make this coming Summer one in which I actually get to ENJOY this car a great deal - in driving it, not just working on it!!

Here's a link to a handful of photos from today's trip. Enjoy!

Chris

http://s1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/popbumper/1976%20Pinto%20wagon%20restoration/Coming%20home%20after%20two%20years/
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dga57

Wow, that's a lot of work!  It will all be worth it in the end, though.  Looks fantastic!
Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

popbumper

Update for October 31st, 2011

With Halloween evening now behind, a few moments to update the progress on my vehicle. The Fall has blessed us with an abundance of warm, sunny days, and with temps in the low to mid 70's, it has been exceptional "working weather" in which to accomplish finishing touches to the car before it comes home from the garage it has been in the last two years. Alas, it will NOT be complete, but bringing it to home base allows me the priveledge of keeping tabs on it locally, and getting it ready for paint - which I hope to complete this Winter or early Spring.

Though the engine and drivetrain have been reinstalled, the body exists primarily as a shell now, with all panels removed and under restoration. Having completed the majority of the main bodywork (quarters, roof, rockers), I am now concentrating on the doors and fenders first, with the hatch door and hood to be finished last.

The elements took a strong toll on this car as it sat outdoors unloved near a lake, and under trees, allowing water to collect and sit without evaporating. The result are a series of hidden areas where water pooled and created some unique damage. While not shown in the pics, the passenger door suffered a large area of internal rust on the back of the door skin (water got under the undercoating), resulting in two pinholes in the door that needed patched, and areas at the "forward curve" of both doors that needed attention. Add the requisite plethora of scrapes, dings, scratches, bent trim, and rusty hinges, and there is plenty of work!!

Please enjoy 21 more pictures of door and fender rework, as these important panels go through straightening exercises to get them flat and smooth before they are rehung on the car.

Chris

http://s1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/popbumper/1976%20Pinto%20wagon%20restoration/Body%20panel%20restoration%20I/
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

popbumper

Update for October 12th, 2011

The days are getting short but the weather has been delightful. This evenings photos include a variety of things that are underway or have been completed. With my deadline looming, I will not be able to get the car repainted before winter, but it's OK, I plan to still get the required bodywork issues resolved before the car is tacked back together and basically stored for winter.

A few notes on the photos:

Bodywork - the photos show some small work that is being performed (some rust in the drivers rear door pillar, and removel/cleanup of the roof rack rivets on the roof), but the majority of shots involve reworking the heavily damaged passemger side quarter panel. This quarter panel had been >ahem< "repaired" previously, and resembled something akin to painted mashed potatoes. Ideally, I should have cut the metal out and replaced the quarter, but time and money will not allow, so I spent a great deal of time with a hammer and dolly set, trying to rework the already fatigued metal, then skimming it with bondo. I will say this - it's a very large area, but it's not deep, so don't be shocked by what you see. I should have it complete and primed tomorrow.

Radiator - radiator was stripped and repainted with Eastwood radiator black. Turned out beautiful.

Rear windows - the rear windows are being removed to rejuvenate the rubber seals and reinstall them with a proper seal. This also allows me the ability to repaint the interior trim.

Rear window trim - trim is being removed to prep for paint, get "grunge" out, and shine the pieces. I am also in the process of removing old body seal in/below the gutters to address rust and installl fresh new sealant.

Other - a few shots of parts being primed or painted - I had the catalytic and first part of the exhaust system sandblasted, and painted it in high-temp POR-15 manifold grey.

Enjoy! I have about six weeks to get this car back to a moveable state, still much to do.

Chris

http://s1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/popbumper/1976%20Pinto%20wagon%20restoration/Body%20restoration/
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

I think I just left a big puddle of drool in my keyboard while looking at the pictures! lol

I can't wait until Brownie comes along this nicely!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Chris,
It looks fantastic.  That looks like a new engine in a new car!  All your hard work is definitely paying off!  Can't wait to see the final result!!!  Keep up the good work!
Dwayne :)

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

popbumper

Update for October 2nd, 2011


Texas' record hottest Summer has given way to wonderful blue skies, moderate temps, low humidity, and much, much work. Across the three year period I have had this vehicle, I have greatly looked forward to completion of the major hurdles, knowing that ultimately, I'll have a beautiful vehicle.


Yesterday was one of those "milestone days". Rob, I, and the garage owner trudged through the very scary process of motor and transmission reinstallation - scary, because there you are hoisting this heavy block of iron over a fresh engine compartment, and you hope that the thing doesn't drop and kill all your hours of effort.


Aside from some scratches on the firewall behind the valve cover (unavoidable even with protection), the process went reasonably smooth, and it's back together. There are many small things yet to do before we fire it back up and it moves again (I painted the radiator today, for example), but it's a HUGE step!!


Forecast for the next several weeks? BODYWORK. Owner of the garage wants the car out "before it gets too cold to work on", meaning, I have about two months to get done what needs to be done, and bring te car home. Interior will be last, and that's fine, because I can do that here.
What a journey. Enjoy some more pics, thanks!

http://s1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/popbumper/1976%20Pinto%20wagon%20restoration/Motor%20and%20transmission%20reinstallation/
Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

Beautiful work! I can't wait until I get my own place and I can have an engine hoist and stand readily available to do this in my spare time!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

popbumper

Wish I could Blu! Would love to escape the heat here! Enjoy!
Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

blupinto

Sheesh! I wish I could do such a super job! Way to go Chris! I'm glad you didn't give up on that wagon! Now come over to Oceanside (lots cooler here- I promise!) and clean MY Pintos' engines. lol :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

Cookieboystoys

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

popbumper

Thanks Dwayne. The only time to get work done is in the early morning - like 8 AM - when the temp is only 82 degrees .
Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dga57

Hey Chris!
Glad to know you're still plugging away at it, although I can only imagine how difficult that must be in such oppressive heat!  That engine looks fantastic!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

popbumper

Update for July 20th, 2011

Good evening. Been many months, February being my last post. This project is still underway - slow (record heat here in Texas for the Summer as elsewhere), but much has been accomplished.

The goal for the past few months has been to complete the engine and tranny. Now, keep in mind this motor as purchased was a very, very filthy and worn 65,000 mile motor, which actually ran VERY WELL. Since dropping a filthy motor and tranny into a clean, restored engine compartment was NOT an option, the motor has been completely gone over and cosmeticallly/functionally restored (aside from the internals, which showed little wear). To that end, the following has been done:

1) All removable metal parts have been sandblasted/repainted and/or phosphoric rust treated/repainted (brackets, hoses, intake, exhaust manifold/EGR tube, valve cover, oil pan, fan, pulleys, timing housing/cover parts, bellhousing plate, lift brackets, motor mount brackets, air cleaner housing, heat shields).

2) Block has been degreased, scrubbed, cleaned, painted in POR-15 Ford Corporate blue

3) Carb was completely cleaned and rebuilt, along with hot water choke (COURTESY ROB, 78TXPONY, and GERHARD PLATA (TIGGER) choke parts)

4) Valve seals were replaced (COURTESY ROB)

5) Misc "factory" needed parts, however large or small were purchased (COURTESY FRED)

6) New parts added to date: New alternator, thermostat, distributor, distributor cap, plugs, plug wires, gaskets, seals, water pump, fuel pump, oil filter, belts, heater/water hoses, motor mounts, breather cap, emissions check valve, timing belt/hardware, EGR valve, negative battery cable, etc.

7) New/restored parts YET TO BE INSTALLED: New A/C compressor, restored air pump, restored emissions hardware, new starter, new clutch/hardware, restored transmission (cleaned up housing/cosmetics/oil/seals), A/C condensor, air cleaner housing, heat tube, air intake divertor.

I might also add that ROB has been INVALUABLE in this entire reassembly process, without him, truly this project would never have moved. THANKS ROB!!

I have placed 22 photos showing various details of the motor restoration on Photobucket through the following link. Enjoy, thank you.

http://s1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/popbumper/1976%20Pinto%20wagon%20restoration/Motor%20restoration/

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

Dave:

  I sure appreciate the reply and the clarity of the answer. My issue is, I took the time to write the moderator via personal message and wasn't even given the consideration of five minutes to address my question - even after a week of waiting. I sure don't mind a member like yourself helping out (hey, that's what we're here for), but when a moderator can't take the time to help, it really "says something" about how vallued (or not) your participation on the group is. Again, I >do< appreciate YOU taking the time.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

Chris, very exciting! I can't wait to see progress updates this year and more photos of the car and motor!

I have run into that problem twice now. Here is what Scott told me:



I have increased the quote limit for Charter Members from 3GB to 5GB on   the gallery- you are currenlty at 2.8. I checked the stats and it looks   like you have fewer photos in your gallery but taking up more space than   most, if you can reduce the file size (not image size) of you graphics   you will be able to post MANY MANY more photos...


Your images are large files size not image size. Someone else can have   200 pictures and not break the quota but if each individual image is   large, say 1.2 Meg each- then they will not be able to get 20 Pictures   online and stay within the quota limit. The photos you post in the forum   must be less that 100k each for no more than 400k totoal for 4 phots in   each post. Your shots are way too large (file size) to post in the   forum but the gallery allows this. Think of it this way, I have have an   postcard size (image size) graphic but the actual file size can be (due   to quality setting etc..) quite huge, say around 5 Meg. If you take that   same image and reduce the files size but keep the image size exactly   the same (postcard) you can achive less than 100k as apposed to 5 Meg   which is tremendous but you have the SAME visual especially on the web   where it can take FOREVER to download a large files size image but only a   few sec to download the same image with small file size.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

popbumper

Update for February 27th, 2011

Well, this weekend's progress, though seemingly "less substantial" than previous work, was nonetheless a step in the right direction:

1) Floor noise reduction/padding at the right weel well was finished by Rob (78TXPONY).
2) Sandblasting on about 26 metal pieces was received Friday (everything from motor mount brackets to prop rod, battery tray, etc.), and was painted with POR-15. I also received my REsandblasted dashboard, which needs to be primed and finished out.
3) Oil was drained from the block, which is now sitting stripped of all parts.
4) I recieved several large boxes of new parts from RockAuto this week - including a new starter, distributor, voltage reg, hoses, fuel pump, water pump, and many, many other small parts/gaskets/goodies to refresh the motor and peripheral items.
5) I received a box of special coatings/paints from Eastwood.

With the weather looking to stay warm now, a steady stream of work will continue, as I plan gto get the motor/tranny reinstalled no later than April. Still LOTSS to do.

I apologize that I am not able to add photos. Last week I ran into a "folder upload full" error, and promptly wrote to the moderator to see what happened/what I could do. I have yet to receive any answer - maybe the moderator decided it was not worth answering. I do not know.

Have fun all!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

This has been a fun experience for me, and the car is not even mine...
I have also learned a lot about pulling the tranny and replacing the clutch - something my 78 will need soon.  It cant last forever!

The real fun will start this weekend, when parts start being painted, and installed. 
Yes, Chris, time for a photo hosting site!
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

phils toys

2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

tinkerman73

It has been cool going through the thread here. Keep it going. You are doing a fantastic job!
Jody Michielsen

dave1987

Lookin good Chris! We've both been working on our wagons this last week it sounds....I spent five days in a row, nearly 16 hours each day, just trying to get things done on the car. Motor is next though.

Watching others do their motors makes me wish I had time to do my own, at least paint it. Watching you do yours makes it look so easy! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

75bobcatv6

Chris its time for you to make a photobucket account and just put them there lol. it Looks absolutely wonderful im glad you have gotten as far as you have with it. Im getting ready to pull the Gas tank on the 78 Mercury we bought from fred, Already have the Carb off and up here, Just need to get the leak at the tank taken care of and ill be able to put it all back together again.