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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Popbumper's '76 wagon - update

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dave1987

I'm with you on the Pinto Restoration Shop idea! If things continue to go as they have been for me, I may be moving down to Arizona since I am getting tired of everything going on here in Idaho. I'd be closer to more Pinto members and Knotts would be realistic. :D

When I own my own home with a garage, it WILL be a Pinto restoration shop!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

popbumper

Geeze Dave, I wish ALL of us lived near each other - not to sound campy - but it would be NICE to be able to take all of our collective experience and put it together. Would it be GREAT to have a "Pinto Restoration" shop? Yeah - I'm dreaming. My wife thinks the thing will never get done. I beg to differ.

Thanks for posting!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

Continue to post pictures! I LOVE going through project threads on everyone's cars, which is what prompted me to take pictures of mine. There are things I don't take pictures of though because I feel like it's not worth the time to do it, as you stated.

I was actually just about to reply just before you posted that last bit, but it said someone else had posted a reply while I was writing my response.

You car is coming along AMAZINGLY WELL! It makes me jealous and wonder why in the world I didn't pay as much attention to detail when I did my ball joints, since I had the front end taken apart anyway. I guess it will have to wait until I replace all of the bushings....

Keep up the great work Chris, I'm loving the whole thing :)

If I only lived closer, I would be happy to come over and help.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

popbumper

So I gotta ask - in this project forum, is it even worth the time to post anything? There's a lot of work involved in taking pics, resizing them, moving them around, and then posting. It seems like people really "don't care", because there is rarely a response (thanks Beegle, I really >do< appreciate the inputs). It's not like I'm looking for a pat on the back, but it would be nice to know that people are interested! I know when somone busts their butt on their car, I sure like to let them know that it's worth their while.

That's what still gets me about this group - if it was the Maverick group, people would be all over it. Sometimes it seems very odd out here. I'll still keep a pictorial history as I go, but if nobody cares, I won't waste their time.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

What I did not show is the "cleanup" process; since the inner fenders need some work, and I want to remove the fenders before I really undercoat them properly, what I did is pay attention to ONLY those areas I knew I could not get at after front end parts were reinstalled.

I cleaned the towers with Mineral sprits, as well as the frame areas. Then, the towers were repainted with two coats of POR-15; metal, then "Chassis black". This gives the areas the toughness they need. The parts them selves had three coats of paint - one of metal POR-15, one of chassis black, then one of body paint - "Charcoal grey metallic". Red accents were a must, so I painted the calipers and ball joints. All hardware is stainless steel, and the front end kit is P-S-T. The frame areas were recoated with fresh undercoat.

Rotors, brake pads, calipers, and springs from Autozone
Small hardware, bellows, etc. from Rock Auto

I am very happy with the results, the new parts look stunning and will be beautiful when I put my rally wheels back on. My biggest issues now?
1) get everything else to look as nice
2) get the front end realigned - it is very obvious that the wheels are "crooked" in the driveway.

It was several weeks of work, but well worth it. I cannot believe how the front end sits up at the CORRECT HEIGHT now!

Final result photos - show the driver's side nearly complete. Brake hoses still need to be hung, as well as the sway bar.

Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

beegle55

B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L. Great attention to detail and that hard work has to be paying off! It will ride so smooth and drive great... while looking good too!  8) At least there is more than one crazy person on this site, we all fit in together very nicely.

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
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1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
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1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

popbumper

Update for May 11th, 2009

When we last visited, I was "complaining" about how tired I was working on my car  :drunk:. Well my friends, now that the work has passed, I am on to greener pastures. Well, at least a short "break" before I go to the next level  ::). A few posts back, you saw my nasty, nasty box of cruddy, rusty, and unloved original front end parts.  :reek: This past weekend, the front end got rebuilt. Yeah, I'm partial -it's DA BOMB!!

  I have to thank both 78TXPony (Rob) and my Comet friend Gene for taking the time to help. Six hours were spent Saturday reassembling all of the new parts, and I have to say, I was actually >sad< to put new parts on my "unfinished" frame, but without shop space and a rotisserie, it's "one step at a time" getting this stuff done. Here's some pics of the process.

"Ugh before" is a revisit of what it used to look like
"Restored parts" shows all the stuff neatly laid out and waiting for reinstallation
"Mocked lower" shows a prefit of the parts, just to get an initial visual
"Prepper rotor" shows the restored spindle/rotor/caliper assemblies


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popbumper

...Hi, I'm Chris, and I'm a Pintoholic.... :drunk:

I'm tired. I have no updates right now. I'm tired. I have been busting my a$$ trying to get everything ready for my front end reassembly this weekend. Did I mention I'm tired....

..and probably a little loopy.  :drunk: Sniffing paint fumes for hours on end tends to get you after a while.

...and yes, I just got out of the garage. I was out painting with POR-15. "Painting what" you say? Oh...um...my ball joints, before I attach them to the control arms.  ???

  No, I knew better than to paint the greased knuckle, and I was careful not to get paint where it should not be. This dam% car might as well be a show car, cripes, EVERYTHING on my suspension is restored, sandblasted and painted, or fresh out of the box. All the metal screws and nuts are stainless...... ::)

  It's a disease, I tell you. Did I mention I'm tired?  :drunk:

Chris

PS - pics this weekend. After that, I rest. And then I restore the friggin dash that I pulled from the 78 hatch last weekend. Oh, and then the windshield comes out, and then the rear end comes off, and then I replace the inner fender panel, and then.....>thud<

......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

The nice thing is that Pinto front ends are not too difficult to put back together.  The hardest and most time consuming is disassembly, cleaning, and painting. 
Let me know if you need some assistance, guidance, motivaction, or comic relief! 

Also let me know if there was anything you still needed off that carcass we left in the yard - I ~might~ go back later for that back bumper, since mine is cracked so badly... I would need hip waders after all the rain they are predicting, but maybe that would help postpone its upcoming destruction. 
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
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1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

TIGGER

I am glad Oregon is not like this.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

78squirewagon

I got a letter just like (about 50 days ago) that from the City of West Allis WI concerning my white squire wagon ;D  Yeah, it lite a fire under my butt to get plates for it and to start working on it again. They were pretty cool about  and do not have to come and take a look but when are are threating to tow it away, it will wake you up  ;D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

dga57

Nothing like a little "official" inspiration, eh?  :rolleye:  Who knows?  Maybe when the lady from the city comes out to look at your car she will fall in love  with it and you'll make a new Pinto friend. ;D  Godspeed on your project!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

75bobcatv6

lol I am amused. that was funny yet sad. Im sorry to hear that man. They have not said crap about my car, its titled, but not Registered No plate, and backed into a space. =) No one complains cause they see me working on it every chance i get.

popbumper

Update for April 24th

  ...so my wife calls me today at work. "You got a letter from the City about your Pinto". "Oh?" "Well, according to City regulations, any car exposed to public view in a driveway or otherwise needs to be titled and operating". OK....

...I phone the person who wrote it. She was actually nice. To my dismay, I had removed the rear bumper recently, and, of course it has the license plate on it. Before I tore off the front end, I turned the car around, back of car facing outward - and it was, sadly noticed for the wrong reasons.

I explained to the woman that the car did run, was registered in my name, had plates, and is properly titled but not yet inspected. "Can I come by to see it?" "I just need to have you start it up and move it back and forth". "Um...sure (gulp...knowing my front end suspension is completely off the car). ..."Sure, when"? "How about Saturday May 9th?" (I have 30 days from notification).

The rest of the day was busy. I picked up my parts from the sandblaster (whew, glad they got done). Monday morning I order my front end kit, bushings and all, and make a quick but important Rock Auto order. The next few days are heavy with painting parts and getting things in order. Next weekend, it all goes back together.

I told my wife I was proud of my little car...after all, someone from the City wants to come and see it run  :lol:. She was not amused.  ???

Chris

...still making progress, UNDER PRESSURE..... :mad:
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

Bill:

  Getting a replacement battery tray sandblasted today. On the inner fender - I imagine that it would be expensive to ship - and, unfortunately it would need welding (for that matter, a used one would, too  :nocool:).

Thanks for the heads up!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

billnall

Chris your inner fender apron that has all the rust holes, I located an NOS one at Green Sales (800-543-4959) if you want to go that way part# D5FZ16054A. I also found a battery tray NOS @ a Ford Dealer, I can pm the info if you want it.
Ford Parts Man
Bill

popbumper

Update for 4/21/09

Picked up the new rotors, shocks, springs, calipers, shoes on Monday. Dropped off a bunch of stuff at the sandblaster an hour ago. $200 and my front end pieces and rally wheels will be nice and clean.

I could have had the wheels powdercoated for $300 total, but one of the wheels has corrosion on it, and the pitting would show through the coating. Bummer - paint is the only option, I'll have to get a good durable epoxy paint or something such.

Still need to buy all my front end bushings, ball joints and bolts. Gonna be a banner month for spending money - but like I said, it's progress.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

Update for 4/18/09

  Been a busy Spring. Taking advantage of our wonderful, cool weather, trying to get some major work accomplished. Thanks to the help of a good friend (Gene Quinones), much progress has been made on the front end - whose suspension and btrake system has been completely dismantled. At this point, all the parts are either slated for sandblasting and refinishing, or are being replaced. Once all is said and done, I will have:

New bushings throughout, tie rod ends, shocks, springs, calipers, rotors, shoes
Refurbished control arms, strut rods, sway bar and hardware, wheels (more in another thread)

Picture 1 shoes the results after we had gotten to the lower control arms, which would NOT come off. The bolt has seized to the bushing lining, and we had to sawzall the bolt at either side - on BOTH arms. What a pain.

Picture 2 shows the box 'o goodies that came off he car. All this will be fresh and new in a few weeks.

Picture 3 shows the horrific rust I have on my passenger inner fender well. Looks liek to only good solution is to find a donor car (already located), saw out a fender, and weld in a new one. As much as I hate to do it, it HAS to be done right.

...making PROGRESS....

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

Let me know if you need an impact wrench.  I needed one to loosen the control arm bolts and the steering gear bolts. Make sure you replace all those load-bearing bolts with correct types and grades.  I almost lost a wheel on Saturday due to a bolt stress failure. I will be free after work most of this week so if i can help, let me know...
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
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1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

Hey Rob:

  Good to hear from you - my bad for not posting our car meet. GOOD NEWS - the front end is stripped out, I did it (with the help of another car guy I know) this past Saturday. It took six hours, and the lower control arms will not come off. He is bringing over a sawzall today to cut them loose.

  Been studying all the parts, gonna start parts ordering today. Most of the fromt end parts (sway bar, control arms, strut rods) will be sandblasted and painted with POR-15 prior to reinstallation. Remember that wonderful "hole" under my battery tray? It's MASSIVE, I am going to have to fabricate a sheet metal piece to fill the area and repair it. It's a big mess, but now is the time to get it done.

  Stay tuned, thanks for the list!
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

78txpony

Chris,
Here is the parts list I found from when i redid my front end 5 years ago.  The list is not too detailed, but I was not as organized then.
This was a very straightforward operation from my experience.  No spring compressor was needed; I can walk you through how I did mine. I did one side at a time. Car was supported under the front crossmember. Floor jack was used to let lower arm down when removing spring, steel rod was run through shock area as a safety precaution. Never had an issue though. Control arm bolts are left loose until entire job is done and full weight of the car is on the suspension.  Everything is torqued then.
Let me know if you need some help or extra tools. 

Rack and pinion gear (manual)
tie rod ends (2)
Upper ball joints (2)
Lower ball joints (2)
Upper control arm bushings
Lower control arm bushings
Strut rod bushing set (2 sets)
Wheel bearing set (2 sets)
Wheel bearing seals (2 sets)
Front brake hoses (2)
Brake pads (if needed)
Shocks (2) (if needed)
Sway bar bushings
Control arm bolts - see http://classicoldsmobile.com/forums/chassis-body-frame/12099-arm-bolt-breaks-front-wheel-falls-off.html for the reason these should be replaced...
Shop labor to R&R all bushings

Wheel bearing grease
Grease gun for new ball joints


Get Moog parts when possible, aviod the cheapie parts.  This is a job you go not want to do over...
My whole cost was about $1000, but Rockauto is a better place to get parts like these... I could have saved at least a few hundred.
But was it all worth it??  Heck yea!!  :lol:
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

Just a quick note - never having rebuilt a front end (well, except on a '57 Chevy), I have been "studying" my shop manuals and my parts CD. You know, it really helped - I took a look up under my front end tonite, it all makes sense, and looks pretty straightforward. Everything really needs done, and it's going to look awesome when all the parts are fresh and clean. I will order parts tomorrow.

As a side note - while I was up under the car, I took a metal scraper and started pulling some of the road grime/mud/dirt off the front crossmember. I was "awarded" with original body paint that is still intact. The oil pan also looked near new when wiped off with mineral spirits. Gotta love dry climate cars - you'd never see anything but rust on a Northern car (ducking now.....) :evil:

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

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Update for April 05, 2009

Well, no pics to share today, but my gas tank is officially reinstalled. Spent the day yesterday "freshening" up the undercoating beneath the rear end of the car, and got the tank installed.I actually put a thin (1/16") layer of adhesive sheet cork on the gas tank straps so the straps would no longer contact the gas tank (yeah, I went overboard, sue me :cheesy_p:). Everything looks great, it all snugged up nicely. Cut a new cork gasket for the filler neck, installed all new rubber hoses/clamps at the sending unit and vent valve, poured a few gallons of gas in, and took her for a ride!!

She still drives fine, though the steering DOES "knock" when I turn the wheel.

I >love< making progress!! NEXT ON TAP: Front end rebuild. Might as well get it out of the way, it's definitely time. Gonna spend the $$ while I have them.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

discolives78

Well, at the moment, I'm thinking a lot of people will be looking at your gas tank. Besides, if shiny is good, does that mean that only the upper surface of the car should be shiny? I have a shiny valve cover, most of the time I'm the only one that knows, but every once in a while somebody sneaks up on me when I check the oil. :D

Glad to see you're making progress, still waiting for the dash pics!

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

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Update for March 21, 2009

Hello again all, last time we visited I was in the throes of removing my leaking gas tank and finding it was a bit more of a job than I had anticipated. Now, with the weather warmer and days longer, I am happy to report that I have made yet another jump in the process of this wagon restoration. To recap the effort:

DONE:

1) Bad brake system rebuilt (new master cylinder, hoses, hardware)
2) Rusty floors repaired
3) Dash pad restored (pics will be in another thread)
4) Gas tank restored  ;D

TO BE DONE:

5) Cowl hole repair
6) Pull windshield and replace gasket
7) Remove/restore dashboard with window out
8) Restore/rebuild front end

TASK #4 - The gas tank was completed today. All undercoating was removed; pinholes were patched at a radiator shop. Then, the "welds" were gently ground down, and the surrounding surface was smoothed with a small bit of bondo. I also purchased an NOS sending unit, and new valves/gaskets from SSCenterprises.net.

The tank was flushed with POR-15 materials to properly "degunk" it and etch it for sealing. Then, the tank was treated with POR-15 gas tank sealer, which did a GREAT job of lining the tank with a hard, durable surface.

To finish, any other dents in the tank were also filled, and the whole think was carefully sanded down to bright metal, at which point I used POR-15 "Metal Mask" paint to cover the surface. This is an excellent coating that dries in a natural metal shade.

My wife realized how tedious the restoration process was, and  looked at me and kept telling me "hey, it's only a gas tank, nobody will ever see it". You know, I love her to death, but she just doesn't get it... ::)

The pics here reflect the final stages in the process before reinstallation; one of the pics takes you back to where I started after the radiator shoppics. Judge the results for yourself. I also spent part of the morning wire brushing the old undercoating around the gas tank and up under the rear wheelwells in anticipation of freshening up the undercoating and reinstalling the tank. I love this stuff....one step at a time.

NOTE: There was no particular reason I turned the tank in the opposite direction for the "painted" phot, I just shot it that way. There is NO evidence of the welds whatsoever, the tank looks nearly new. The ONLY caveat I have is that the paint dried VERY fast for one reason or another (see the shading issue?) - and went on thicker than I wanted it to. POR 15 is GREAT, but this particular can/batch/formulation did not behave well.
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

hellfirejim

hey Chris,
Glad to see progress on your wagon.  Just keep at it a little at a time and it will get down.

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


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I forgot to add - the bottom of the tank, as you can see, had been "pre-scraped" of undercoating so that the radiator shop could braze the hole/pinholes. After I got it back, It took me about three hours to completely scrape off the remaining undercoat with a putty knife, mineral spirits, and plenty of elbow grease. I love the clean metal look!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

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Update for January 14th, 2009

  The side blessing of being laid off (that's a hard one to say  :o) is having the time to get some work done. As we last visted, I had pulled my gas tank off, including the filler pipe, straps, and rear bumper insert. First task at hand - get stuff sandblasted. More pics on thsi later, the parts turned out GREAR and have already been painted with POR-15.

  Tonite, we visit the venerable gas tank. Yes folks, just about everything that could be wrong with a tank was wrong with this one:

1) One 3/16" hole, and many small pinholes
2) A bad sending unit
3) A lot of oversprayed undercoating (not really an issue, but it was messy)

  First things first: Tank comes off, parts come out, and I carry it to a car wash to spray it out. Then, off to "Poor Boy's" Radiator shop to get some brazing. This cost me $80, and took about a week and a half. Sending unit? Scored a NOS unit for $75. Also managed to get ahold of a new vent assembly and filler tube gasket from SSC Enterprises (www.sscenterprises.net).

The pictures below show today's work, after I picked up the tank. The "tank top after" shows the top coated with a fresh layer of silver POR-15; all the undercoating was NOT removed because I was less concerned about this unseen area. I have yet to replace the pad, and I also plan to cover the top with fresh undercoat. I have not decided what to do with the bottom yet; now freshly stripped steel, I may either polish it out and coat it with clear POR-15, or use their "steel" color coat. In either case, I need to address the "bumps" of the brazing.

Finally, the tank will be coated internally - it really needs it (there is evidence of rust). This will be done sometime next week, and then everything will be carefully reassembled. Total cost - about $200 +/-. Not what I would have expected, but I really do NEED to know how much gas I have, and, keep it IN the tank.

More soon!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

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My cash flow ain't exactly liquid until I get another job. Right now I am spending some hobby money I have saved up - little bit here and there - I'll hit the wall again soon. Once I get the tank repaired, and everything back together, I need to start focusing on the rear end - and the interior - and the rust in the engine compartment - and removing the dash - and replacing the window rubber - etc etc etc etc etc etc...... :surprised:

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

75bobcatv6

aww lol. ok ok. well either way its good to see you moving on the project again. for me atm im at a stall till i have better cash flow. (I.E the g/f gets back to workin and i get a little of my money back)