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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Engine noise - help!

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discolives78

Well at least you got on top of it quick, Dave.

I've had lifter noise from almost every 2.3 I've had at some point (including this one, starting cold with heavy oil). It seems to be more common in high-mileage engines that were poorly taken care of, though, not striking recent rebuilds. Unless there was a stray metal shaving that plugged an oiling hole somewhere.

I agree with going with as light weight as your performance needs and weather allow. It stays fairly warm here most of the year, so I use 10w30 or 10w40.

I did the clutch on my 75 wagon years ago, just to get it running. I changed the pressure plate and disk, but because I was young and poor, chose the alignment tool instead of the throwout bearing. Two weeks later the t/o started chirping.

Hang in there!
Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

The squeaking turned out to the be clutch fork pivot ball. I had forgotten to grease it after the last clutch rebuild. DOH!

I am back to tackling the ticking sound, which seems to be a lifter.

I replaced the lifter for the exhaust valve on the number three cylinder, which had some severe base wear. I don't know if the type of wear is from an initially faulty lifter, or if my cousin to put the head back together shaved it. Either way, it didn't look healthy from the base and was noticeably shorter than the other lifters when compared side by side, in a solid state.

I removed all of the lifters last night and bled them all. I then primed them all and installed each one, ensuring that the oil inlet on the lifter body was lined up with the oil delivery system.

I noticed that a few lifters didn't have the oil inlet on the body lined up with with the oil delivery hole, and were 90 - 120 degrees off. How much of an impact on lifter performance would this cause? I would think it would shorten the lifespan of a lifter, and not always re-pressurize it. But the area where that hole is, is grooved and would still allow oil pressure to build up in the groove, and eventually it would find it's way into the lifter via the inlet hole.

The sound has significantly dissipated, however I can still tell there is a slight tapping, mostly noticeable when I have my driver's side door open and listening for it.

Below are some photos comparing the strangely worn lifter to the other one I replaced with a healthier base.
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I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Now I'm trying to find the source of the squeaking. I know it's somewhere in the transmission, but I don't know exactly what.

I'm thinking it could be the throwout bearing's spacer that slides into the clutch fork, but then again, it could be a bad fork pivot, letting the fork bounce around when idling and cruise, causing friction against the parts and producing the nasty chirping sound. I just finished trying to tighten the clutch cable, seeing if it went away, but still nothing!

Any clues?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

FCANON

Your right about the Rod oiler hole.. In 1974 2.3L they didn't drill the holes in the connecting rods even tho the the rods had dimples to receive the holes....
In 1975 Ford 2.3L pistons were a premium and hard to find.
When I worked at Fred Jones re-manufacturing we would look the rods over and pitch the 74's...the 74 pistons didnt have Eyebrows so I assumed they were higher compression I've trashed quite a few and had the tick of death.

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Starliner

Yep, try the low cost first, then what's easy.

So add ATF as suggested and run before performing an oil change & filter.
If that doesn't do it...
Then take the valve cover off and check the valve train.

If it still rattles on deceleration, I suspect a rod bearing or as Pintony suggested a wrist pin.
There were a few years were they eliminated the oil squirt hole in the 2.3 rods to reduce manufacturing costs and they had problems with piston scuffing if you did not use good oil. 



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dave1987

I didn't think it would be, however I want to try and eliminate any and all possible problems that could be the cause of the sound.
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I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

apintonut

Quote from: dave1987 on August 14, 2008, 02:12:44 PM

I'm seriously thinking it is a sticky lifter. I will try running the Mobil 1 0W-40 with my next oil change (hopefully before I have to get the emissions tested this month).

try the atf in it for 1/2 hour before u change the oil
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dave1987

Actually, what I have no works just fine for drowning out any engine noise, or sirens of law enforcement driving past me for that matter.  :P I'm actually refinishing a dual 10" sub box my older brother and I built years and years ago which will take up the back seat.

back on topic...

I did a compression test today and all cylinders read out at 150, so the engine is still healthy since the rebuild!

I'm seriously thinking it is a sticky lifter. I will try running the Mobil 1 0W-40 with my next oil change (hopefully before I have to get the emissions tested this month).
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Starliner

The solution is you need a more powerful sound system so you don't hear all those noises.   :lol:
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dave1987

I will do a compression test on all the cylinders tomorrow and update the thread.

If I could get someone to sit in the car and rest their foot on the clutch pedal, I could eliminate the whining sound. That sound is my throw out bearing rubbing. I don't know why though. Could it be too little or too much tension on the clutch pedal?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

douglasskemp

Lost Coz, I am hearing that same 'fluttering' that I think you are hearing.  If that is the sound we are trying to diagnose, it almost sounds like the fluttering sound the smog pump makes.  dave1987, does your car have a smog pump?  These crappy speakers at work don't do low pitch noises very well...I can hear a little bit of what sounds like some top end ticking, but also sounds like a bottom end sound or an exhaust leak....too hard to tell without being there...I keep replaying it and hearing other things, and every time it seems like I hear something different... Hell I don't know...too hard to tell sounds and distinguish them with a camera mic and cheap speakers.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

blink77

Quote from: dave1987 on August 13, 2008, 12:50:47 AM
I was more HOPING that it would just be a lifter, but I had a gut feeling that it had something to do with the lower half of the engine. :(

How hard is it to pull the pan with the motor still in the car? If it's the #1 wrist pin, it should be pretty easy to repair from underneath...
[IF IT IS A WRIST PIN--- THERE BE NO FIX'N FROM UNDERNEATH]

apintonut

how funny i just checked daves pin in the map and he is nere star idaho. a place i had to hitch hike to from Ontario to get a 2.0 pinto timing belt tensioner. after mine fell apart on 3 mile hill on 84 in oregon but that adventure is for another thread.

back to unknown noise's 
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Lost Coz

I might be hearing something else in there(high pitched churping noise), but with the way it gets louder and softer with rpm and throttle, it might be a valve that is starting to weezzz . Do a compression test on the motor and that will tell if it is a valve. There also seems to be a louder knocking sound that reminds me of a main bearing. Had one go on my first 73 and it sounded just about like that. Hope it ain't so......good luck!
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dave1987

I was more HOPING that it would just be a lifter, but I had a gut feeling that it had something to do with the lower half of the engine. :(

How hard is it to pull the pan with the motor still in the car? If it's the #1 wrist pin, it should be pretty easy to repair from underneath...
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Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

apintonut

74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

apintonut

i would say lifter. i have been known to throw a lifter off the guide(out from under the cam).  this can happen  with old worn out lifters or week springs and to many rpm's.

i have also known the oiler's to plug up.
i would pull the valve cover and  check the hydraulic lifters and clean out the oil rail.  if u want to try a easy fix drain about 1-1/2 quart of oil and add a quart 1/2 of atf and run it for a bit if it go's away then change the oil 
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79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

Starliner

My suggestion is to get yourself a 2-3 feet piece of heater hose.   
Then hold it to your ear while fishing it around with the engine running.   That will help narrow down the location.
I am guessing a bad lifter or camshaft.   

Wifeys 2.3 does NOT like thick oil.  The lifters will tick at start up and sometimes at idle with 20W-50 or 15W-50 oils.
I changed to Mobil 1 0W-40 with a MotorCraft oil filter and it is real quiet.  Try this first. 
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dave1987

I've been having this tapping sound from the head of my 2.3 for awhile now and I've finally got a video to demonstrate the sound.

Now the sound in the video is the tapping, not the higher pitched squeal/squeaking, that is something with the clutch, I'm guessing the throwout bearing.

Can someone identify this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnMtvk7GyYY
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!