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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Just say NO to V8 Pintos!!!

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turbopinto72

Quote from: Ironman on August 08, 2008, 05:05:52 PM
lol,..

Its why popsicles come in more than one flavor!
What taste good to one person makes another gag,.. thats the way it is.
V8 pintos are very cool,..4 banger pintos are cool,.. bone stock smoking pintos are cool.

In my eyes most any car can be cool.

Cars are destroyed by a miriad of ways, unfinished v8 conversions are just one of them.
I've scrapped 50 times more project cars that were simpler modifications.  "I want to put in a 5 speed", "I want big disc brakes", "I want fuel injection", I'm going to rebuild the engine mtself",..I've seen cars go to the crusher because a guy couldnt figure out how to put his carbuerator back together. On and on the list goes. And 90% of those that wind up in the grinder the owner never made a concentrated effort to sell the project, they just lose interest, and cut their loses. I can say without a doubt, the VAST majority of all projects that get recycled are not V8 conversions.

I'll bet anything more pintos have died because people didnt know how to work on them.

I'm in the scrap industry, I see it every day. You want to stop Pintos from going to the crusher? Get on a notify list from all local wrecking yards,.. offer them scrap market value for every Pinto they get. they would be more than happy since they wouldnt have to proccess the car, and there are no disposal fees attached.

In no time you'd have a couple acres of rusted junk, a few thousand good parts, and maybe a couple dozen cream puffs that would have been shredded without anyone ever knowing about it.

In some areas where the car market is good,.. like the Seattle Tacoma area, the would be crusher recipients are "picked out" because the Wrecker either knows someone looking,.. or he knows there is a market for the car. If a clean fairly solid pinto showed up at the local proccesser tommorow, it would most likely be put aside. It would become a V8 project for one of their friends, and you would never know about it.


Looks like Ironman gets the point too...........  ;)
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

71pintoracer

This car looks like a good chance for someone in the market for a V8 to pick up a decent looking car to start with, rather than cutting up another nice driver. You all have to understand, Pintony is in love with the 2.0!! I know exactly how he feels, my brother and I have owned and raced 2.0's in dirt modifieds and on the drag strips since 1971. I loved nothing more than to blow a GT 'Stang or Camaro into the weeds with my little 2.0! I loved the wow factor when I popped the hood! The only downside was that in order to do that, the engine needed to be highly modified and nitrous injected. That made it such a pain to drive on the street that more and more I left it parked. The wild cam sounded cool but it was a bit** to drive in traffic. Anything under 2000 RPM and it's bucking and jumping. Then there was the higher and higher cost of racing fuel that needed to be mixed with high test. When the last wild 2.0 swallowed two pistons before it ever made it to the track, I had to weigh the pros and cons. I still hated to give up on the 2.0 but I am very happy with the V8. I have been driving the heck out of my Pinto again!! ;D On 87 octane!!  ;D 275 HP!!  ;D
However, I have to agree with Ironman and Reed. This is NOT a weekend swap. My brother and I worked most nights and every weekend for 2 1/2 months on my swap. You need a well equipped shop to cut, weld, grind and fabricate. The amount time and effort you put forth dictates what you end up with. As I stated in my swap post, I spent 3 hours making the throttle bracket! When I started the swap, I told my brother, "I want it to look like it came with a V8". I think we accomplished that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Proud Owner of a V8 Pinto<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Ironman

Quote from: Reed on August 08, 2008, 04:25:32 PM
Did you know that there are guys running 10 and 11 second 1/4 miles times in street driven and naturally aspirated Mopars powered by slant sixes?  That is the kind of stuff that impresses me.

What is the fastest/most powerful naturally aspirated Pinto out there with four cylinders?

I've seen 9 second six bangers. and I think I once saw a video of a 4 cylinder euro car doing high 8's
Ironman

Ironman

lol,..

Its why popsicles come in more than one flavor!
What taste good to one person makes another gag,.. thats the way it is.
V8 pintos are very cool,..4 banger pintos are cool,.. bone stock smoking pintos are cool.

In my eyes most any car can be cool.

Cars are destroyed by a miriad of ways, unfinished v8 conversions are just one of them.
I've scrapped 50 times more project cars that were simpler modifications.  "I want to put in a 5 speed", "I want big disc brakes", "I want fuel injection", I'm going to rebuild the engine mtself",..I've seen cars go to the crusher because a guy couldnt figure out how to put his carbuerator back together. On and on the list goes. And 90% of those that wind up in the grinder the owner never made a concentrated effort to sell the project, they just lose interest, and cut their loses. I can say without a doubt, the VAST majority of all projects that get recycled are not V8 conversions.

I'll bet anything more pintos have died because people didnt know how to work on them.

I'm in the scrap industry, I see it every day. You want to stop Pintos from going to the crusher? Get on a notify list from all local wrecking yards,.. offer them scrap market value for every Pinto they get. they would be more than happy since they wouldnt have to proccess the car, and there are no disposal fees attached.

In no time you'd have a couple acres of rusted junk, a few thousand good parts, and maybe a couple dozen cream puffs that would have been shredded without anyone ever knowing about it.

In some areas where the car market is good,.. like the Seattle Tacoma area, the would be crusher recipients are "picked out" because the Wrecker either knows someone looking,.. or he knows there is a market for the car. If a clean fairly solid pinto showed up at the local proccesser tommorow, it would most likely be put aside. It would become a V8 project for one of their friends, and you would never know about it.
Ironman

Reed

Did you know that there are guys running 10 and 11 second 1/4 miles times in street driven and naturally aspirated Mopars powered by slant sixes?  That is the kind of stuff that impresses me.

What is the fastest/most powerful naturally aspirated Pinto out there with four cylinders?
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

Reed

Sure, but swapping to a larger motor correctly involves quite a bit of work.  upgrading suspension, cooling, brakes, rerouting wiring, fuel line, exhaust etc...  It is far more work than the average car fan realizes.  Done right, a v-8 swap is fine.  I have done it myself.  However, most people either don't do it right and end up with a hacked together car, or lose interest 1/3 or halfway through when they realize what a daunting task it is.  When I swapped from a 6 to an 8, i had two car sitting side by side and swapped all necessary parts.  What make me sad is when someone who doesn't know what they are doing start cutting and ripping and removing parts willy-nilly, then scraps the car because they don't know how to fix it.

Besides, I have always enjoyed seeing how people get more power and efficiency out of smaller engines than just skipping straight to a v-8.  I am far more interested in a custom built four or six cylinder than I am in yet another v-8.  How exciting is a Chevy 350?
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

turbopinto72

Yes, Joe's Pinto is Pretty Nice................... ;D
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

redmustangman3

How exciting it would be going to the Knottsberry car show and seeing 39 bone stock Pintos all lined up. Ho Hum. This hobby has room for all Pintos including the likes of the Disco Pinto. My V8 Pinto is fun and draws incredible amounts of attention at car shows that I attend. This is bad for PCCA.???  Joe in Morgan Hill- proud owner of a V8 Pinto.
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

turbopinto72

I think that if you put some effort into a well planed V8 pinto they come out great. I have done one car and it worked out well. If the car is allready pretty much beat and you have the parts why not?
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Reed

My background is in Mopars and slant sixes.  It always made me sad to see a beautiful slant six car get hacked up by some idiot swapping in a v-8.  More cars get trashed that way than any other...
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

chrisf1219

hey pintony want be to check on this one too? sac area about 1.5 hrs away. i wonder how much of the firewall got cut? and is it too far gone to put a  4 back in? chris in ca.
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

Ironman

Nothin wrong with V8s in pintos,..

Lack of planning and failure to understand the scope of a project is what usualy kills cars.

When I was about 18 I saw a 64 GTO stripped down to bare metal and rusting in a junk yard.
Ironman