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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Why Did You Buy/Obtain Your First Pinto

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lencost

Originally I bought my wagon for a second car, and a project to work on. Now I find myself becoming a pinto fan.

While I can remember vividly when Pintos where new, and always thought that they are a good looking car it was only about three years ago when I decided to buy one. How I found it was by in listing the help of a friend who makes deliveries for a living.

Jest as a point of reference:

I payed $1,200.00 for my 1975 wagon on 5-26-07

Does not have:

Power steering.
Power breaks.
Air conditioning.
Deluxe interior.
Deluxe wheels.

Dose have:

AM Radio.
Cigarette liter.
Carpeting.
8" Rearend.
C4 automatic transmition.
2.8 L V6 Engine. "The most powerfull factory Ford Pinto motor".

You can venue my Pinto in my gallery.
1975 Wagon 8" C4 2.8 V6

chrisf1219

my wife had a brown hatchback in highschool and 1 day iwas kidding and said i shoud find a pinto and fix it up! :hypno:so after looking and finding fordpinto.com and bought a 77 wagon with 75000 org miles auto ac pwr stearing and brakes and rear window def. inever had a pinto but the more i worked on it the more i liked it. and now its my hobby or toyand it not stock anymore.i come up with new ideas about inprovmentsand workon it on weekends.its blue with silver flames wheels traction bars chrome valve cover alt. and air cleaner.the car was someones grandmas car in utah and i towed it home on the 4 of july ;Dits been 3 years now and alot of fun to drive and loved going to knotts this year ;D  chris in ca.
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

starkey and hutch

i got mine in 2007....... my mom had one in 74 and I drove it when she was`nt home and that in cudes my dad    k....ha ha ha...and before that I took her falcon for a rides killed a cat at 110 miles per, the head stuckin the grill ....Now to the car, seen this one in victoria and i said to my buddy look theres a pinto for sale, im looking for a car, my mom had one, and he said i can see you drivin that thing... so i got it... starkey and hutch.... and i was looking for a daliy driver and thats my story so far .....she was made in canada and she`s

FlyerPinto

My first Pinto was a 76  Bobcat, red with a four speed four cylinder. My mother gave it to me in 1977 after my brother tore the dickens out of the undercarriage running around with his hoodlum friends when he was supposed to be working at a school banquet. It was a great little car. I took it on my first road trip to Walsh College in Canton, Ohio in 1978 for a summer soccer camp, consummated my relationship with my first girlfriend in it (that was a trick) and just loved it. I gave it back to my mother when I bought my first new car at the beginning of my senior year - a 1978 Ford Pinto Cruising Wagon, 1G silver with the orange-purple-yellow stripe package, a 2.8L V-6 auto, and power steering. The am radio was standard. I could go on about that car all day. I still have the photos, and somewhere I might still have the window sticker. I fully customized the interior (it was the 70's and I hung out in a custom van shop) with a crushed velvet button tucked interior, dual sunroofs and van lights, double basket wire wheels and a killer stereo system. I sold it six years later and would give anything to get her back.
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

Fred Morgan

I took my daughter to a junk yard when she was back in Hi-school and of all the diferent car's there she picked a 73 powder blue pinto. She is 22 now, anyway that's how it started. Fred   :)
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
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oldcarpierre

I was poor and I wanted my first set of wheels.  The Pinto fuel tank scare was on the news everyday, and nobody wanted them.  This was March of 1979.  I learned at a young age the laws of supply and demand.  I bought a '73 (6 years old) with 39000 miles for 400 bucks.
1974 Medium Lime Yellow Pinto Sedan
14000 Miles - Unrestored Original in the garage
2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain

popbumper

16 years ago, when I had to let go of my '79 wagon, I told the wife "someday, people will collect Pintos". She said "no way". I don't mean to be redundant, but look at us now ;D!!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

gordie

As a used car dealer for four decades I came across many kinds of cars over the years.  When I bought my first Pinto from a Ford dealer who I bought hundreds of cars from for resale I immediately was attracted to it and made it my own driver for quite a while.  One of the fun things about having hundreds of cars is being able to drive a different car home every night.  Well after running out of gas too many times and overheating, breaking fan belts and just breaking down many times you begin to find favorites to drive that are fun, economical and stylish in their own ways.  The Pinto fit this favorites category perfectly and I found myself driving my Pinto frequently and as I began to get more and more Pinto's I upgraded to a newer model or with one that had air conditioning.  Eventually my wife had one and my kids too and everyone liked them so we drove Pinto's for a long long time.  They were the best car for the money for years and I am sure glad to see them make a comeback!

Smeed

Mines pretty cut, dry and boring.
Back in the day (maybe 8 months ago) after seeing an article on the pinto I thought it was time to finally buy a car. I wanted something different. I didnt want a civic or some "boring" car handed down from my parents like most people my age have. I started looking on ebay and craigslist and I found the car thats in my driveway right now. At first I thought the price was too much for me, but then I realized I had a few bonds I could cash in and replenish. When I first saw it I was surprised at how short and wide pintos were. The funny thing is, I never remember seeing a pinto in person until I saw my car on the trailer in my driveway.

'73 runabout

75bobcatv6

mine was bought in 1986, was our second car, first being a 77 runabout, then we bought the bobcat for 175$ from a local impound yard, rebuilt/replaced parts of the engine and its been on the road since, its as been mentioned by others more a family heirloom then anything else and i would like to pass it on to my son when hes old enough to drive. i love the car, the car sounds unique, i get asked alot if it has a V8 in it cause of how she sounds. purrs like a cat at idle even though its got alot of miles on it. i wouldnt trade the car for anything out there. too many memories in the car.

77turbopinto

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dave1987

Wow, long story behind mine. I'll try not to take to much time...

My mother received the car in 1978 as a college graduation present from her parents (my grandparents). A brand new, just off the lot, 1978 sedan. Yellow with Black interior, very basic package, even without a cigarette lighter, 2.3l with a 4spd transmission. She drove the heck out of it until she married my father and then they shared the car, driving their Oldsmobile Diesel Wagon and riding around on my fathers motorcycle until the late 80s and it was pretty much parked for about 9 or 10 more years. During the time my parents shared the car my father did all of the maintenance and had the clutch replaced once, even installing a set of gauges which included temperature, oil pressure and an ammeter. In the mid 90s he installed a series of FM radios and cassette decks (all of which he still has).

In the late 90s my older brother got the car as his first and he repainted it in auto body class for his senior high school classes. Canyon blue with a tad more pearl flake added to it to make it really shine! He drove that home from the shop he painted it in and it became his daily driver. The brakes went out on him once and he ended up e-braking it for about a mile to get home and he replaced the master brake cylinder. He used the car a lot to learn what he now knows about car audio installation. He did a lot to the car as far as car audio goes. He cut the radio bezel to install a modern CD player and added 6x9" speakers in the back, custom built a subwoofer enclosure which held his two 12" subs powered by a 1500W amp which took up the entire rear seating area by the aid of a large board placed across the seats. The last thing he did as far as modifications go was building custom kick panels with fiberglass to hold some 6" speakers for the front. The car was announced once on the radio by a local DJ saying he was "boomed out on his way to work by a blue Pinto!". My older brother really put the car through hell while he drove it. Burn outs before leaving work, cookies in the winter and racing it at lights. That all came back to haunt him when he blew the rings on every piston from over reving and the car was parked on the side of my parents house for 6-7 years.

It was now my turn to inherit the family Pinto. I was 14 when I started work on the car. I pulled as much as I could off the engine as I could and we used my cousin's engine hoist to pull the block out, then mounted it on the engine stand he loaned us (he builds drag cars from scratch now that he is retired). I stripped the block until there was nothing left on it. We had the block boiled out, had the cylinders bored out by .241 and installed larger pistons and the new Blue Racer camshaft with hydraulic lifters. Total engine rebuild. While the block was in the shop, my father and I flushed the transmission and rebuilt the brakes. Then we installed a new clutch assembly after getting the block back, before dropping it back into the car. After the car was together as much as we could get it, it sat in front of my parents house, never started, for about a year because the vacuum lines were a mess and we couldn't make sense of it, or had the time to get a hold of my cousin to help us out with it. After we got everything hooked up with aid of the internet and some people from a Pinto Yahoo! group, we started it up for the first time and it sounded magnificent! I was so pumped to hear it purr with a new, freshly rebuilt engine. Dad got in and we took it for a spin around the neighborhood and it drove great!

The car was parked again for about two more years since I kept putting off getting my license. I never had a need for one since we were dead center in town with everything around us, even the mall. I got kicked out of my parents house and my ex-girlfriend drove the car to get to her probation classes and so we had transportation. Her mom was driving it around town and the drive line dropped due to bad rear u-joints. The car sat overnight and my dad and I went to work on it. We couldn't get the clips out since they broke, but luckily there was a drive-line repair shop just a block away which replaced the joints for $15!

Eventually she left me and I moved into my apartment just down the road from my parents. They kept stressing that I get my license at the age of 19. I got my license and the first thing we did was go home to get the Pinto so I could learn how to drive a clutch out on the country roads. Stop go, stop go, stop go, just practicing to get the car moving was the hard part! I drove the car home, had dinner with the family, and then drove the car home, finally able to use my assigned parking spot! I installed one of the first Pioneer automotive AM/FM/Cassette decks in the car so I could have something to listen to while driving. I did a lot of chirping on the tires from taking off during that first month. I would drive my ex-fiance home at night and the car died due to a faulty alternator and voltage regulator. Replaced that and the car ran great!

Since then it's been a lot of restoration. New carpet, dash, added a tachometer to the steering column, Mustang II three spoke steering wheel, new sound system of two 6x9s in the back, and 8" sub in the trunk and two 6" speakers in the kick panels. It's been buffed and polished all around, cosmetically it's a beautiful Pinto even with the dings here and there on the paint. The engine has had a lot of maintenance done to it to keep her running, and she's gone through a few fuel pumps in the past year. Just finished rebuilding the clutch and replacing the input shaft seal on the transmission.

This month my mother is signing the title over to me, from her maiden name. The car has been in her name for 30 solid years now. One owner, one family. She doesn't want me to sell the car and I never plan to. With this many memories with this Pinto, how could I? It's my first car and everyone seems to regret selling their first car. I want to hand this car down to my kids just like it was handed down to me and keep it going through the family. It's not just a car anymore, it's a family heirloom. I wonder if my grandparents ever thought it would have so much meaning and last this long...
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Srt

mine was purchased in 1971 at Downey ford in Downey California.  i bought it because i liked the looks and after a test drive i was impressed with the way it ran.

it was a 2.0, dark green metallic car with a 4 spd trans, and polyglas tires.  trunk model as you guys call them.  can't remember too much about interior options but it did have carpet all around but all else was vinyl.

i paid $2465.00 out the door with the keys in my hand.

within a week it had a cam, ported head & a set of Doug's Headers

within about 3 months it had a turbo. 

it was the best car that i have owned.  not because it was inexpensive but that it was a simple yet rugged, well built car.  it wasn't a pretentious piece of crap that is all too prevalent today.  it ran well, took a lickin' & kept on tickin' (too steal a quote from Timex) and it was cheap to own

i wish i had it today
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

popbumper

Well...

First one was given to me by my Grandmother as a new car in 1977; two door hatch. I was in high school, it was a new car, I was thrilled. My Mom eventually "inherited" it

Second one was given to me by my Grandfather (yes, same grandparents), a 1979 wagon with low mileage after I graduated college. I drove it between '81 and '83. It was parked after that, my brother used it, and eventually I got it back in 1990 when I went to college a second time. I let it go in 1993.

Third one was a 1980 hatch, BEAT, rusty, holes in the floor, drove it for 3 months until it died on the highway and I left it there. It actually was owned while I owned the 1979; the '79 was in the shop being repainted/restored and I needed another car.

TODAY I bought a 1976 MPG wagon, all original, 65k miles, Texas car. Been wanting anotehr Pinto for years, and am thrilled about it. I bought it because I HAD to have another one!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

pintopaul2003

my first pinto was a 72 wagon yellow in color i mowed the guys lawn all summer for payment of the car a was 14 ,drove it around our yard for the first year ,that following summer i took an axe to the roof and made it a pickup  never did make it to the road . had many more pinto's and bobcats since . longs i can still drive i will always have one (may it be only model form) ha ha . no still have 3 told the wife she goes before they do...........   hope she don't read this  :o
we have a new addition to the pinto family
Hunter Daniel born nov 21 2006  5lbs 12.2 oz                     pintopaul@verizon.net

pintowoman73

I got my first Pinto when I was 16 for $300. IT was a 1971 and it was called the Skipper.  It had a strips on the side and it was a pinkish kind of color.  And it was rusted all the way through.  The drivers seat was through the floor and the fenders were rusted.  To put gas in it you had to hold the pipe.  But I loved it.  Now I have  1973 Pro Street Pinto with a 302 engine.  I love this one more it has a lot more power.

Pintowoman73 :D
Love driving my 73 Pro Street Pinto.

pbean09

I brought my Pinto June 1, 2008. I saw it on Craigslist for $800, talked the guy down to $500. Not my first car but it is the first car I brought. I'm 16.
1972 Ford Pinto
2.8Lv6
c-4

pintowgn73

mine was a green 74 wagon. I got it from the guy who lived across the street from my uncle. he gave it to me for free and all it needed was a fuel pump. I beat the hell out of the car for about two years before getting another car. I replaced the tranny once, rear end twice. it had no interior only front seats and a stereo. it eventually got hauled off to the junk yard as it was beyond repair. I wanted another one even since then. and then about 3 years ago I found a one owner 73 wagon in napa, ca. I bought it for $1,200. it still has the original owners manual and warranty info from zumwalt ford in the glove compartment.

mkingery

I drove my first pinto (parents 72 wagon) when I was fifteen (without my their knowledge). I knew nothing about driving a 4 speed and the took the punishment without fail. When I was about 19 or20 my dad gave his 75 wagon to me  so I could get to work and support my family. But I found out that it had a cracked block and I could not aford to fix it so I put a brick on the accel. to see how long it would take to blow the motor ( young and stupid). The car ran For 2 hours and never blewup. Since then I've had more pintos then I can remember 2 with v8's. I have found that the cars are very reliable and cheap to maintain (and don't look bad either) What more can you ask for from a car. THEIR GREAT CARS !!
Mitchell T. Kingery
Des Moines, Iowa
1979 Pinto Runabout

grgic

Pintony
Thanks I went out the pass. side window (no seatbelt)( probably saved my life)
8 stitches in my head and road rash on the whole left side of my body.
I looked like a raccoon for a month.

Pintony

WOW!!! jgpinto72,
Great story!!!
Glad to know you survived such a terrible crash.
From Pintony

grgic

in 1982 my buddy Dan who had about 6 pintos had put together a 1971 with a 2.0 it came with an automatic but he put a 4 speed in it from one of his donor cars. it had a header and 2 inch straight pipe with a glass pack sticking out the back.  This car would spin the tires through all 4 gears and sounded like a piper cub running down the road. it was love at first drive. I always wanted the car but never thought he would get rid of it.  I was driving a 73 charger SE with a 318 automatic I think I payed $200.00 for(ah the good old days). we were talking one day and I can't remember who brought it up but we ended up trading even up. I drove it for about 6 months and was coming home from work one day and was forced into on-comming traffic by a truck and hit a Lincoln head on at 65 mph. I lived, the Lincoln and the Pinto however did not. i have had many pintos over the years(8 or 9) from beaters to almost mint but none have been quite the same as that first one.  I am currently in the process of re creating that car with my present pinto. the only difference is it is a 72(close enough).


renton481

My mom had totalled my '66 Fairlane, in 1988, and I was checking out cars to replace it.  My girlfriend at the time drove a VW Rabbit, so a Rabbit truck caught my eye, but then I remembered the cost of the repairs to her Rabbit, so that was out.  Then there were a few Fords and Chevys....  I settled on getting one of the two Pinto wagons they had at the lot.  I think one was a early 70's model, the other was a blue 79.

The early 70's one was a woody, and I liked it, except the seats -- there wasn't as much vision because you were sitting so low.  The blue 79 felt better to drive, the bucket seats were comfortable, but you were sitting a bit higher, there was better vision...... and it also reminded me a lot of the 70 Maverick I learned to drive on.

The first test drive the car died -- bad alternator, drained the battery.  I said replace the alternator, and make sure the battery's good, I'll buy it.  And I did -- because I just liked the car.  I remember sitting in it, waiting for the dealer to show up... thinking that I was going to buy the car.  Why?  I think it's because it was a wagon, you could carry stuff in it.  But it also was sporty -- two doors.  Straight body.  Also, because I've always preferred Fords, and it reminded me of the Maverick..... a whole bunch of reasons.

I'm glad I decided to buy it.

UltimatePinto

I bought my first Pinto , a 73 Runabout, right after I got out of the Army.
It is the only brand new car that I ever purchased. Sure wish that I had it now.
It was the white/light green color. I can still remember the new smell that came with it.
Al
in Ct.

Runabout80

I bought my first Pinto, which was also the first vehicle my hard earned cash went towards, about three weeks before I turned 17. I had a grand total of 600 dollars in my bank account and I needed a new car. At first I thought my mom was kidding when she said that a woman she worked out with was selling a Ford Pinto.

That weekend I went and looked at the car with my parents. It was a cold weekend in Nebraska, and I was looking over the car in the woman's garage. Sitting there where it had been sitting for the better part of 20 years, it just begged to be driven. And the last time it was driven was the summer prior, when the engine had been completely detailed and it looked like I could have been driving it off the showroom floor. Other than a single gash in the driver's seat upholstery.

When I started my senior year of high school I drove the car everyday to school and work. Over the course of my senior year of high school I put quite a few miles on my beloved Pinto and smoked the tires a few times. I taught myself the way to do a perfect brake stand, who needs bleach... I've got a PINTO! I had once covered the entire car in a cloud of lovely thick white smoke off my stock one wheel wonder. I even took the car into a ditch once, took a gravel corner at 45 or so and didn't compensate for my oversteer enough. Luckily, both the car and I escaped unscathed from that incident.

Right now though, the car is sitting in my parent's backyard waiting to roar to life once again until I can build up my Boneyard Special Smallblock. I can't wait until I hear the old P-Bomb scream as I open it up and fly down the highway again. I know for a fact that I've hit about 100mph in my old Pinto, when I get about 300+ HP pushing it I'll be able to go fast enough to scare anyone in my passenger's seat.

It helps I don't have a girlfriend right now, I can devote most of my time to building the Pinto and making it my perfect hotrod.  ;D
1980 Pinto 2.3, Not much now but looking at a 400+HP 302 V8 heart transplant. In 2006 probably, too hard to afford stuff like that in College.

wraydeeoh

Well..it was 1977, and our '66 LTD with a 390ci was just burning way too much gas for Dodge parts-counter guy's salary.  We need something smaller..with some style...and we wanted a used Pinto..like her brother's '71.  (And a Pinto was one car my father-in-law was willing to co-sign on for my fiance.)  Oddly, we couldn't find a used one right away, so we found the last new one at a local dealer and went for it..a strip-down '77 sedan.  Got the Pinto, got the girl, drove the Pinto to a Cape Cod honeymoon.  Still got the car..and the girl, although the car needs a complete overhaul.  The girl's still in great shape!

ETPinto

I bought my first pinto in 1981, it was a 74 runnabout, 2.3--flat cam ;)--, 4spd, yellow with black interior.  the car was cosmeticly perfect except for a gaping wound through the drivers door, could see my window lift as you drove past on the other side of the freeway ;D ;D.  Some one had backed into a metal fence post..... My dad worked for Or. Dept. of trans. and being the prankster he put a 12'' diameter state of oregon official stick over the hole....yes I was pulled over for it once ::)
I diverge....I BOUGHT IT BECAUSE I LOVED PINTOS!!!
  My older brother was "punished" by dad with a 74 sedan for rolling his 66 mustang....hehehe.....as soon as Brian figured out that his pinto went around corners faster than a greasy cheetah all bets were off.   My brother, myself, and our best friends, who were brothers too, began buying headers, webbers, swaybars, fancy brake pads cams and became the 4 pintoteers ;D  Picture 4 under 20 boys drafting at high speeds everywhere we went.
  We all grew up aound a little town in the country called Jefferson Or.  "Peppermint capitol of the world"  it was really great times.  My mom drove a 74 sedan for years, my little sis had a ford lipstick red runnabout, my brother has owned 4.
    I have owned from first to current.    74 runnabout, 77 runnabout I was married in was full zoot....Orange, orange plaid cloth, factory sunroof, maplight, 4spd, 71 racepinto 12 point cage nicely developed track car with a claimed speed of 140mph...I never tried to authenticate ;D, 72 runnabout "Group F" trim 2.0 4spd. and now my 2nd owner 73 runnabout yellow, brown interior, 2.0 4spd.  This one stays with me ;)
  I look back at my first Pinto and all the great times I had when I was 17, and now I am 40, I wouldnt trade my Pinto times for anything.  They are a remarkable little car from many different perspectives.  I love the wide low stance, I shiver deep down when I consider these numbers  51/49, I admire the wonderfull pedal feel of those firm disk brakes that seem to know just which line you want through the corner, I love love love the look on the face of that guy in the 530 BMW that I bullied through the mountains untill he capitulated, I love the sound of that ready 2.0 spooling up past 6500 rpms  I love that I can sleep in the back of my runnabout when I take it to the coast for a surf, I love my little bucking pony emblems.  Yeah I love Pintos.


crazyhorse

I bought my 1st Pinto as a "parts car" for a mustang II. I gave $75 for it with a bad carb & cam. Somehow, the mustang ended up as the donor for the Pinto. It was a black '80 Runabout, that had seen better days. An interesting note, the previous owner was 4'6" Someone had put raising blocks under the seat & welded the same to the pedals. I wasn't exactly a bolt in fit in that car LOL Anyone who drove that car(including other pinto owners) LOVED the way it drove. Pintos have been on my list ever since because of thier (relatively) cheap prices & excellent handling. (205/60-14 tires make a BIG difference)
How to tell when a redneck's time is up: He combines these two sentences... Hey man, hold my beer. Hey y'all watch this!
'74 Runabout, stock 2300,auto  RIP Darlin.
'95 Olds Gutless "POS"
'97 Subaru Legacy wagon "Kat"

Mason66

Seems to me that those of us that had a Pinto before, want another Pinto later in life.

I can't say I have ever talked to anybody that wanted a second Vega.

Funny I guess.

My grandfather drove a Pinto to work every day and when my aunt, his youngest daughter, was ready for her first car it was a Pinto so I guess he was happy with his car.

sagesunrise

My dad bought the 1973 pinto sedan that he later gave to me. In his words:

"I WANTED A WORK CAR AND I HAD SEEN THE PINTO AND IT WAS IN GOOD SHAPE. (My friend) WANTED TO SELL IT AND ASSURED ME IT WAS STILL IN THE SHAPE I LAST SAW IT. I BOUGHT IT FROM HIM FOR I THINK $450 (in August 1986). HE LIED TO ME BIG TIME. HE HAD SPUN OUT ON GORST HILL GOING TO WORK AND WOUND UP IN THE DITCH BY THE CHURCH. HE HAD PUT SOME DENTS IN THE CAR RIPPED OFF THE ARM RESTS AND CAUSED OTHER DAMAGE TO OCCUR HE HAD A WATER HOSE LYING ACROSS A HOT MANIFOLD AND IT MELTED THE HOSE.".

Before the 1973, my dad had a 1973 wagon. On her way to school one morning, my sister hit some ice and ran it down a ravine and into a tree in '84 or '85. I sense my dad really liked the pinto wagon and he was very sad that it was totalled, but happy that my sis was ok. Thus, he bought the '73 sedan because he liked the pinto's and I carried on my dads love for pinto's. My dad still gets a kick out of the pinto that I still have, that was once his, and has gone through SO MANY FACELIFTS!!
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug