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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Ohio Pintos??

Started by bobscat, January 04, 2008, 02:53:12 PM

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popbumper

Pintoman:

  Did you ever find anything out?

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

pintoman

I will see what i can do for you.
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popbumper

Wow, guys, I can't believe it - that's more than I expected!!

PINTOMAN - would it be possible to contact your friend's brother in some way, and find out? I would really love to talk to him and see what happened to the car; it would close a chapter for me. I hope I am not asking too much, if it would be possible that would be really great.  If not, I understand.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

pintoman

A friends brother had for a year or two.I do not know what happened to it .
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r4pinto

Chris, I remember that Pinto. I live in Reynoldsburg & have since 1993. Haven't seen it for a long time so it probably has gone to the Pinto lot in the sky.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

popbumper

Jeeze you guys, all this talk makes me wish I was back in Ohio. I am from Erie Pa., originally, and have been all up and down Ohio, having also lived a six year stint in West Virginia and traveling much of Ohio doing field service. Add to that a three year stay in Reynoldsburg while I went to DeVry, and I am >very< familiar with where most of you guys live.

Back in the early 90's while I was in Reynoldsburg, I took my '79 wagon and had a buddy of mine completely repaint it. We shaved the door handles, added the cruising wagon panels, put in a frenched antenna, shaved all the emblems, added a gas door cover, and painted the whole thing bright white. It had mag wheels, 13's on the front and 14's on the back, a header and Supertrapp muffler. THEN, we added flames - big, pinkish-red flames with purple tips. Nothing special you say? Sure - but the flames were on the BACK of the car. Sorry I don't have any digital shots.

Left the car in Ohio when I moved to Texas, not enough room to bring it with me. Miss it to this day. Back in the early 90's people thought having a Pinto was absolutely nuts. I told my wife that ONE DAY, people would collect them. She said NO WAY. Look at us now.

PS - has ANYONE ever seen my car? I'll best it's sitting rusted to the ground somewhere....sad.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

bobscat

Hey, mornblade!  finally found you on here.

Mornblade

I'm from Illinois, but I have relatives in Columbus... shame they don't have Pintos though.

jimspinto


I have some new information and dates on the "Ohio Get Together"

  I'm going to open a "NEW TOPIC" on same, will call it "Latest Information & Dates on Ohio Get Together.  Please look there and post me there or email me at   JIMSFINEFORDS@YAHOO.COM

Thanks,  Jim at  jimspinto

jimspinto

Quote from: phils toys on March 21, 2008, 12:28:33 PM
Hay , Would i be welcome from pa even though i own a Bobcat? Get me some dates and i will try to make one That is why we got the car  for family weeked activities.
Phils toys


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  A Bobcat, and from Penn.  isn't that like alot of black marks, all at one time

  In all seriousness, I'd love to both see this thing come to something and have you [and others] come to the big town of Middlefield.  For what its worth, I'm from Newbury [two towns over] and its even smaller then Middlefield.  They have sidewalks. we dont even have a police dept. [no crime thank god]

   Please email me with interest, I have no problem setting up a date, just need to have a show of interest for the town fathers to work with

  If I had a half dozen to start with, they'd jump at it.  So Please can a few people email me, I will get a date and everything else going

  Make sure you give me a way to contant you back [your email address]

   Jim at jimspinto

   P.S.  I'm wild with excitement  !!!!!!!!!!!!!

phils toys

Hay , Would i be welcome from pa even though i own a Bobcat? Get me some dates and i will try to make one That is why we got the car  for family weeked activities.
Phils toys
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

jimspinto


  You know what, something has to be done.  Other than talking that is.

   I'm in the prossess of setting up a cruise now.  Its to be a weekly cruise [every saturday]   Actually, I have a meeting tomorow, to put the last few things to bed

   Love to see a bunch of us show [get together] for one of the cruise's. it would be impressive to say the least  If we had a bunch, I'd even get the local newspaper to do "photo story"

  I'm willing to do the work [thats because there cant be any]  Please, EVERYONE, think about, summer is almost here, we can do it ! ! ! ! !

  Cruise will be in downtown Middlefield [like there is a downtown in that two bit town]
   Middlefield is -----East of Cleveland [about 35 miles]    South of Lake Erie [I 90] [about the same distance]    North of The Ohio Turnpike [I 80] [about 25 miles]    West of Pymatuning Pa. [about 30 miles]

   Even though its a small town, somewhat in the center of nowhere, its VERY EASY to get to.  The above should give you an idea where it is

   Ohio's Rt. 87 runs thru the center [its the main road] and the downtown [if there was one] is at the intersation of St. Rt. 87 & St. Rt. 608 [called state street]

   It would be a great trip and get-together, please think about and email me

   If enough [or even only one or two  I'd hope for more] want to do it, I will set aside a place [of honor] for ALL to park.  And why not open it to our neighbors, hell we can be sociable to people of other states, so long as they own or drive a "pinto"

   I'm open to suggestions, and look forward to a show of "Pinto Power"   Please email me at   JIMSFINEFORDS@YAHOO.COM

   Jim at jimspinto

pintoman

The National Trails raceway is just east of Columbus.It is just outside of Kirkesville,Ohio.I may be wrong on that spelling.Do not have a map in front of me.
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bobscat

Cool, thanks for the input once again, Pintoman, keep us posted, and I will definitely  try to get both my cars out to those shows.

FlyerPinto

I'll make one of them, most likely Ricart, if the info is posted for dates and times and the like. Is the National Trails thing in Western Ohio? I only ask because of National Trails High School out there, and I know where that is...thanks.
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

pintoman

Also just to let you guys know .I will be working the Ricart show in Columbus ,Ohio.The proceeds go to a very good group of people that help sick kids to take trips with there family's.So come on out for it.
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pintoman

As of last night the Norwalk show is on.They have approached the local car club that i am a member of to ask if we could run the car show for them.We have not let them know just yet.So there it is.I will give details as I get them.
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bobscat

Excellent, thanks for the input Pintoman!  I would definitely be up for both of those, especially since they are right in my backyard.  However, I might be relocating this summer, so I guess it all depends on whether or not I am still in Ohio!  I really hope to make it to these and meet up with some of you guys, especially since where I am moving to is kinda scarce on Pinto members.  Does anyone else have any input on this?  Ricart Ford would definitely be one I could hit, I was born in Delaware, and still have family there, so I get down to that area on a regular basis anyhow.  Norwalk would really be cool too.  Last I checked their website though, there was not a listing for the Ford show.   Pinto man, details perhaps?

pintoman

For all of you Ohio Pinto owners.If you still want to get together,here is a couple of suggestions.On June 14th at Ricart Ford in Columbus ,Ohio there will be an all Ford show for the Earth Angles Foundation.Also on the same weekend as the Street Rod Nationals there will be a all Ford  car show at Norwalk,Ohio.So speak up.If you all have any other ideas pipe in and lets get something going.Also there is a all Ford show at the National Trails race-park on Labor day weekend.Pintos rule.
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bobscat

LOL, yeah, good point!!!  I am most likely gonna be at Fun Ford Weekend, if they still have it.  Gonna check the Norwalk site today.  Alot has changed since they had the merger or whatever, so I'll take a look and repost.

FlyerPinto

I'm down in Troy, Ohio, about 20 minutes north of Dayton. We should have a gathering, it would be impressive and intimidating to lesser vehicles...
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

BlueGoldPinto

Quote from: r4pinto on January 08, 2008, 05:42:27 AM
Yeah, Gahanna is about 10 minutes northeast of me.

Well, if you see someone driving around in a yellow turbo new beetle, that's me! My front license plate cover says "Yellow Submarine"  ;D ;D
My theory on the Gas Tank of the Ford Pinto:
If it ain't fixed, don't break it!! :)

r4pinto

I tell ya what though, the tranny in there right now is so far gone when I fired the car up to pull it up the driveway to change the oil it barely moved & after I got it up the driveway it wouldn't go up the ramps. My dad was out there & asked me why I put it in neutral & I told him I didn't. It was just slipping that bad. Drive is just about gone, as is reverse.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: 77turbopinto on January 08, 2008, 08:48:21 PM
Matt, remember if your tranny went BOOM, you REALLY SHOULD replace the cooler lines and the radiator, or at the very least replace the lines (brake lines, EZ) and use an aftermarket cooler zipped to the rad. in place of the stock cooler. I had a friend have his tranny go and the shop that did the r/r did not. The new tranny went just a few weeks later and debis from tranny # 1 was jammed in it. Needless to say it was not fun.


Bill
Yup, I plan on replacing the lines since they look pretty old anyways. Better to be safe than sorry. As for the cooler situation I'm checking into replacing the radiator since it's pretty ratty looking anyways. It ain't leaking but I'm waiting for it to start leaking.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

77turbopinto

Quote from: tinkernickel on January 08, 2008, 08:00:58 PM
actually I've got an engine waiting to be dropped in, but we have to do some slight engine bay modifications first...we are squeezing a supercharged 3.8 liter in it

KOOL. It has been talked about, but I don't think anyone has done it yet.

http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,5231.msg31571.html#msg31571

http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,6642.0.html

http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,7275.0.html

http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,4469.0.html


Post photos....      please....


Bill
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77turbopinto

Quote from: r4pinto on January 08, 2008, 08:31:04 PM
Sounds cool. Good luck on the engine install. I still got to install the tranny I bought off Pintony about a year or so ago.

Matt, remember if your tranny went BOOM, you REALLY SHOULD replace the cooler lines and the radiator, or at the very least replace the lines (brake lines, EZ) and use an aftermarket cooler zipped to the rad. in place of the stock cooler. I had a friend have his tranny go and the shop that did the r/r did not. The new tranny went just a few weeks later and debis from tranny # 1 was jammed in it. Needless to say it was not fun.


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

r4pinto

Sounds cool. Good luck on the engine install. I still got to install the tranny I bought off Pintony about a year or so ago.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

tinkernickel

actually I've got an engine waiting to be dropped in, but we have to do some slight engine bay modifications first...we are squeezing a supercharged 3.8 liter in it

r4pinto

Your 77 needs an engine & my 77 needs a tranny. Between yours & mine there's a good driving 77 in there somewhere  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

tinkernickel

Im in Lucasville which is about 20 miles north of Portsmouth- The very southern tip of Ohio!  I need to drop my new engine in before I can go anywhere   :lol: