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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Trigger01

Got everything fixed last weekend and it stops like a whole different car. Gonna put it up on the corner with a for sale sign pretty soon if none of yall want it.
-Mike
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Trigger01

Well got the master cylinder replaced to night and it's in and working, but with the old M/C not working it was not pushing the fluid through the lines with any pressure so when the new M/C started pushing fluid through the lines it broke a rear brake line(big part of it is due to rust) and that'll get fixed tomorrow night. Started squirting brake fluid all over the driveway... I just want to drive my Pinto again!
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phils toys

Quote from: jimspinto on March 30, 2008, 12:47:10 PM
 

   Will you please advise the cost of the "U-Haul Trailer"   I'm sure everyone will be surprised at the cost of a trailer rentail [vrs] a "Flatbed Tow Truck"

   If I remember correctly, I paid about $80.00 for a tow truck [towed about 30 miles]  And when I think about the time and etc.  rentail doesnt seem to be a good idea.  But I never looked into the cost.  Now I wonder  So, please tell about cost of rentail

Best as always,,,,,,,,,,,,  Jim at  jimspinto
I just rented a uhaul  this weekend  an  it was just under $60  for in town  one day rental(24 hrs)  But i had to travel 30 + miles to pick it  up an then  took it out of state  to get a car . All total i had the trailer for about  13 hrs and 450 miles   just returned it to uhaul after hours. also had to take it back to the dealed i picked up from ot it would have been $120 or to pick it up where the car was  and drop off in my town   it would have been  $169.  go figure  all the differences. it was the local uhaul dealer who told me to  use it that way
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jimspinto

Quote from: Trigger01 on March 30, 2008, 09:51:58 PM

The light did not come on at all.
My friend knows a ton about cars, recently just over hauled/redid a 70's Camaro, and he will be guiding me or doing most of the work, and I will soak up all the knowledge I can.

The U-haul trailer cost around $53 for a day, I had it less than 2hours and went less than 20 miles with it.

Thanks for the help. I am ready to take it out on the road again, as frustrating as this car gets I still love to drive it. And I will miss it if I can ever get it sold.
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  Guess I'm glad to here you didn't have a problem with the brakes, its always fun getting that system working again after it fails once.
Very often when it the master, the valve and light doesn't come into play, and when you bench-bleed the master, you dont have to bleed the system, so you dont turn the light on

  However, two schools of thought here
  #1 is, dont fix what aint broke
  But I think its more important to varify that the system works.

  Step one, turn the key [almost] to the start position , The light should come on
  If it doesn't, there are several reasons why.  The wire if off the switch [valve] and or is broken.  The bulb is burnt out.  The switch [valve]  has been removed.  AND YES THE BRAKES WILL WORK WITHOUT THE VALVE [the warning light system will not, but the brakes will]  If the valve was removed, all four brakes should work withot a problem

  Step two, apply the emrg. brake, the light should come on and if not, guess the bulb is out, emgr. brake switch bad or unhooked, something like that

  Your now down to "DO ALL FOUR BRAKES WORK"
   On dirt or gravel, get up to eight or ten MPH, lock the brakes up  Now look at the ground.  If all four wheel leave a stoping mark, you can chase the light problem [only] if you want.  If theres only a mark from one axel, only half the system is working and you probably have to get the light system to work before you can get the brakes working [in all four wheels]
   Or remove the valve, and replace it with "T's"    This is going to start a long long discussion, but after 45 or more years owning a shop, I'm telling you, if the valve is removed the brakes will work without a problem.  The warning system WILL NOT but the brakes will
   The system is sometimes a real S.O.B. but for your safety, you need to eather [both ?] make it work, or at least make sure you have four wheels stopping
   Send me a message if I can be of help, its very hard to explain the system here, especially if I dont know if theres a problem or what it might be, if there is

   Best as always.............Jim at jimspinto

  P.S.  Before the argument starts.  I have three cars that DON'T have a valve in them  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  One was converted to a dual master system, the other two had non-working valves and I removed them with a "T" to rehook the front lines. The rear  needs no "T"   Just run the line from the master back to the hose
The only thing the valve is realy needed for is to turn the light on [or off]  And of course the warning system.

Trigger01

Quote from: jimspinto on March 30, 2008, 12:47:10 PM
  First of all,  sorry to hear you have [had] a brake problem.

   NEXT :
   And because you said you know nothing about brakes,,,,,, did the "brake light" come on  [it shouuld have]
  Now your about to have fun with the "light"   Just remember, if the light is on, you only have half a brake system, you will NEVER get a full system until the light is [out and stays out]

  Ask for help, if you dont understand how the system [the light] works ! !

  BEFORE you even start, ask for help.  Its easy enough to correct when you KNOW were the "ball" [turns thre light on] is, a real S.O.B. when your guessing

   P.M.  me if I could help, I have 45 plus experience [owned a shop] so theres a good chanse I know what I'm talking about

   Second: .......because, I'v always wondered about this  ! ! !

   Will you please advise the cost of the "U-Haul Trailer"   I'm sure everyone will be surprised at the cost of a trailer rentail [vrs] a "Flatbed Tow Truck"

   If I remember correctly, I paid about $80.00 for a tow truck [towed about 30 miles]  And when I think about the time and etc.  rentail doesnt seem to be a good idea.  But I never looked into the cost.  Now I wonder  So, please tell about cost of rentail

Best as always,,,,,,,,,,,,  Jim at  jimspinto


The light did not come on at all.
My friend knows a ton about cars, recently just over hauled/redid a 70's Camaro, and he will be guiding me or doing most of the work, and I will soak up all the knowledge I can.

The U-haul trailer cost around $53 for a day, I had it less than 2hours and went less than 20 miles with it.

Thanks for the help. I am ready to take it out on the road again, as frustrating as this car gets I still love to drive it. And I will miss it if I can ever get it sold.
-Mike
MCarrTrigger01@aol.com

SOLD
1978 Pinto Runabout
2.3 liter 4-cylinder
4-speed manual trans.

Daily Driver:
Heavily Modified Lifted '01 Ford Ranger Edge

jimspinto


  First of all,  sorry to hear you have [had] a brake problem.

   NEXT :
   And because you said you know nothing about brakes,,,,,, did the "brake light" come on  [it shouuld have]
  Now your about to have fun with the "light"   Just remember, if the light is on, you only have half a brake system, you will NEVER get a full system until the light is [out and stays out]

  Ask for help, if you dont understand how the system [the light] works ! !

  BEFORE you even start, ask for help.  Its easy enough to correct when you KNOW were the "ball" [turns thre light on] is, a real S.O.B. when your guessing

   P.M.  me if I could help, I have 45 plus experience [owned a shop] so theres a good chanse I know what I'm talking about

   Second: .......because, I'v always wondered about this  ! ! !

   Will you please advise the cost of the "U-Haul Trailer"   I'm sure everyone will be surprised at the cost of a trailer rentail [vrs] a "Flatbed Tow Truck"

   If I remember correctly, I paid about $80.00 for a tow truck [towed about 30 miles]  And when I think about the time and etc.  rentail doesnt seem to be a good idea.  But I never looked into the cost.  Now I wonder  So, please tell about cost of rentail

Best as always,,,,,,,,,,,,  Jim at  jimspinto

Trigger01

Since I know less than nothing about brakes I asked a friend to come over and take a llok at the ole Pinto. He determined that it was the Master Cylinder, which is kind of what we thought to begin with. Picked it up today and planning on putting it in on Monday after work. Hope that's what it is.


I know somebody wants to buy this car, so please make me an offer.
-Mike
MCarrTrigger01@aol.com

SOLD
1978 Pinto Runabout
2.3 liter 4-cylinder
4-speed manual trans.

Daily Driver:
Heavily Modified Lifted '01 Ford Ranger Edge

douglasskemp

Quote from: Trigger01 on March 20, 2008, 07:31:48 PM
...there is a leak somewhere. The larger of the two [reservoirs] was empty and the small one is full...

At least you have it narrowed down to the front brakes. If the front flex lines to the calipers have even the slightest sign of cracking, chuck them and get new ones.

BTW, as for hardlines, Classic Tube has never done me, nor my dad, wrong.  We've gotten them for a '67 Mustang, a '72 Blazer and a '77 Mustang II.  Unfortunately, they do not have the front lines for a Pinto listed.  Now they MAY have the program in the database, and just don't have it listed, or, worst case scenario, they can make copies of your old part, and then they would have it in their database.  We got ours in stainless since nearly every part was only a few bucks more to do SS vice standard steel.
--Good luck and STAY SAFE!
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

Trigger01

Good news! No damage to the suspesnion! I am still looking, as I have time, to figure out what is wrong with the breaks. So far I have determined that there is a leak somewhere. The larger of the two resiviours was empty and the small one is full. I get off work early tomorrow so hopefully I won't have anything pop up and can keep working on the car. That's where I am at as of now. I'll keep you posted
-Mike
MCarrTrigger01@aol.com

SOLD
1978 Pinto Runabout
2.3 liter 4-cylinder
4-speed manual trans.

Daily Driver:
Heavily Modified Lifted '01 Ford Ranger Edge

Trigger01

Thanks, for the comments. I too am glad things were not worse. My dad had the entire braking system was rebuilt before I got the car, so the brakes are less than a year old. The e-brake doesn't work well either, but I knew that and hadn't bothered to fix it yet because I just leave it in gear while off.
-Mike
MCarrTrigger01@aol.com

SOLD
1978 Pinto Runabout
2.3 liter 4-cylinder
4-speed manual trans.

Daily Driver:
Heavily Modified Lifted '01 Ford Ranger Edge

High_Horse

I hope that everyone that reads this remembers that Pintos are 20 to 30 years old and brake lines don't last forever. Especially in areas of the country that use salt on the roads.   Be Safe.
I am very happy things were not worse Trigger01.


                                                                                       High_Horse.


                                                                           
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

dave1987

Perhaps his is one of the unluckly Pintos to have the notorious broken brake button and hasn't found a replacement brake handle yet.

I have yet to experience it myself, but I know a few people who have. I worry about it every time let go of it and let it snap back into place.
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I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

ray4fords

Hey Trigger01,ever heard of an emergency brake?Duh. Seriously though,that is one of the first things you want to get working on an old car.Glad you didn't have a major mishap.

beegle55

Thats never good. If the brakes went out on my Pinto, I'd probably be going down the track and it probably wouldn't be a very fun ride.

  -beegle55
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dave1987

That really bites. When my older brother had my Pinto the brakes went out on him too. He ended up down shifting until he had slowed down enough to use the hand brake so she could get home in one piece.

He replaced the master brake cylinder and now they're great though. Might want to take a look at it.

Keep us updated!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Trigger01

 >:(
Dag Gum breaks went out on my Pinto this morning, not a good thing. I hit the breaks the first time I needed them and nothing, so I figured it was a air bubble in the line,  so I just used the trans to stop until I got to work and was pulling in the parking spot and I needed the breaks. Again, nothing. I ended up jumping a 8" curb, That was a rough ride! I ended up smashing up some of the sidewalk with my front cross member, I don't know if the suspension is damaged or what other damage there was I will check it out later on, but I wasn't about to drive it home. I picked up a U-haul trailer and towed it home. Truck did great, especially considering the load, tire size, gears and all. Pinto weighs about 2500lbs and the trailer was 2000lbs(4500lbs. total). Here's a couple of pictures:



-Mike
MCarrTrigger01@aol.com

SOLD
1978 Pinto Runabout
2.3 liter 4-cylinder
4-speed manual trans.

Daily Driver:
Heavily Modified Lifted '01 Ford Ranger Edge