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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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D.R.Ball

I guess it could be safely said for this subject it's Turboford.org time....But for the guy with the Volvo P1800 I guess you have a need for speed but how about the late model TurboBrick engines......DOHC Rules....As for the Cossie 2.0 not 2.3 unless they have something new...

77turbopinto

Quote from: CHEAPRACER on February 06, 2008, 09:58:03 PM
My 88 Turbo Coupe transplant BCS is factory stock, 10 lbs in regular mode and pushes 17 with factory I/C and 18 with all the piping measured at the manifold (can't figure out how that changed things), My stock 84 SVO also pushed 17lbs.

Both my 86 T/C donor and my 87 T/C donor ran 10 (ish) max., but would 'spike' higher time to time. The 87 would run about 5 in reg. mode.  Both cars were 100% factory stock, never messed with.

If the hoses to the BCS are not connected correctly, or if someone else had modified them over the years, it could effect the boost.

Bill

Added: I see you edited your post.
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CHEAPRACER

Quote from: 77turbopinto on February 01, 2008, 06:56:57 AM
IF you bypass the BCS or do other modifications you will see those levels; 'Factory Stock' they have much lower boost.

BTW: That also applies to NON-I/C ones.

Bill
My 88 Turbo Coupe transplant BCS is factory stock, 10 lbs in regular mode and pushes 17 with factory I/C and 18 with all the piping measured at the manifold (can't figure out how that changed things)in Premium mode, My stock 84 SVO also pushed 17lbs but I bought it used And I didn't know a thing about turbos at age 20 so I can't swear it was stock but I will say it would out run my friends 83 5.0 stripped GL.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

turbo toy

Thank's Brad, that is as nice a Pinto as I have seen. This is the car that helped me make my decission to build a 2.3 turbo Pinto. I commend you on every aspect of the car. The craftsmanship and attention to detail are excellent. Did you ever get a hard, full pass on the car with the good motor in it? It seems it should be an easy enough 10 second car.

turbopinto72

Under the topic " your racers" go to "72 2.5 turbo pinto" and you can look at some of the pics and specs of my car.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

turbo toy

Hey turbopinto72, since we are running close on the same times, how about a little info on your car and maybe a couple of pics. The best I have run so far is 11.46 in the quarter and 7.26 in the eighth, but they said I have to slow it down or put in a six point bar to run it again. I have made a few mods and I'm putting in the bar, so we hope to improve the times come March.

turbo toy

Quote from: turbopinto72 on February 01, 2008, 03:31:12 PM
Im assuming that your car hooks to a 1.30 ish 60ft then ? Its one thing to have that potential and another to put it to the ground as you im sure know.

The car weighs 2525# with me in it on the line. I usually run 1.37 to 1.42 short times. I'm running 11.5X28 ET streets with a 3.97 first gear and a 4.62 rear, so I'm pulling second gear right at the 60' lights.The car dead hooks, pulls the wheels about a foot in the air and leaves. I'm sure that less gear would help the 60' and the MPH, especially in the quarter, but I like the way it keeps the motor buzzed up for the eighth.





Srt

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Starliner

How much does the 2300 with the turbo weigh ?
   
I am still researching what to put in my 72 Volvo P1800 over the next two years. 
Some of my picks are:
*  2007-2008 2.0 EcoTech Turbo & IRS from a Sky or Soltice.   Stock front suspension would still zoop, but light all aluminum engine would help.
*  Complete late model Corvette drivetrain, front suspension, with rear mounted transaxle.   The Bomb! 
*  2.3 Cosworth Turbo with existing rear end.   Doable, a little lighter than the cast head 2.3   Power potential higher.
*  2.3 Turbo Coupe     lowest cost option, but heavy front end.     
1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
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turbopinto72

Quote from: turbo toy on February 01, 2008, 02:59:33 PM
I didn't say I hadn't done anything to it. All my mods were done by me and anyone can easily duplicate them, and it really is pretty simple. I'm doing a few mor mods to it right now, and when it rolls back out , it should be a low 10 to high 9 second quarter mile daily driver.

Im assuming that your car hooks to a 1.30 ish 60ft then ? Its one thing to have that potential and another to put it to the ground as you im sure know.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

turbo toy

I didn't say I hadn't done anything to it. All my mods were done by me and anyone can easily duplicate them, and it really is pretty simple. I'm doing a few mor mods to it right now, and when it rolls back out , it should be a low 10 to high 9 second quarter mile daily driver.

turbopinto72

Quote from: turbo toy on February 01, 2008, 05:33:05 AM
My turbo motor is so simple it's a crying shame and it's good for mid 11 second  quarter mile runs. It's a true daily driver and very dependable. A turbo is cheap easy HP.

I think you are over simplifying this. My car runs 11.80s and its not as simple as you would think. You cant just slap a turbo on something and expect to make the 350 hp it takes to run mid 11s.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

turbopinto72

Quote from: map351 on February 01, 2008, 07:50:14 AM
6200/ PE/ pump gas with Torco Accelerator.
The car should be in the high 11s this year..

So, your telling me your running 25 lbs boost on pump gas with additive?
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

map351

Quote from: turbopinto72 on January 31, 2008, 11:24:45 PM


6200/ PE/ pump gas with Torco Accelerator.
The car should be in the high 11s this year..
73 2.3Turbo Pinto
6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
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77turbopinto

Quote from: CHEAPRACER on January 31, 2008, 09:12:20 PM
Maybe on the carb or non I/C models, EFI I/C is more like 16-17lbs

IF you bypass the BCS or do other modifications you will see those levels; 'Factory Stock' they have much lower boost.

BTW: That also applies to NON-I/C ones.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

turbo toy

My turbo motor is so simple it's a crying shame and it's good for mid 11 second  quarter mile runs. It's a true daily driver and very dependable. A turbo is cheap easy HP.

turbopinto72

Quote from: map351 on January 31, 2008, 02:05:41 PM
2.3 turbo.
Stock short block, ( what rpm did you turn ? )Big valve head clean up the pockets, ranger roller, 55lb injectors, stock T-3, 3" exhaust, Good Ign. system (685 Mallory) 255 pump, PE or LA3 with chip or programer ECU,  ( which one was it ? )
25Lb boost ( is this on gas or alky ? ) 340+ Hp and 25+ MPG.

No nasty camshafts,no overheating, no noise, fun to drive!

Mike
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

map351

Quote from: turbopinto72 on January 31, 2008, 10:25:13 PM
25lbs boost with a stock T-3............. ??? I'm guessing thats 340 hp at the motor ??

Yep, it's good enough for.
84 Capri RS Turbo - 1/8th 7.86 at 86.32, 1/4 12.38 at 112.78, Still a T3 @ 3150Lb
73 2.3Turbo Pinto
6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
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turbopinto72

Quote from: map351 on January 31, 2008, 02:05:41 PM
2.3 turbo.
Stock short block, Big valve head clean up the pockets, ranger roller, 55lb injectors, stock T-3, 3" exhaust, Good Ign. system (685 Mallory) 255 pump, PE or LA3 with chip or programer ECU,
25Lb boost 340+ Hp and 25+ MPG.

No nasty camshafts,no overheating, no noise, fun to drive!

Mike

25lbs boost with a stock T-3............. ??? I'm guessing thats 340 hp at the motor ??
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

map351

73 2.3Turbo Pinto
6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
40 Ford Sedan Delivery  For Sale

Pinto FiberGlass
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CHEAPRACER

Quote from: Ford_Pinto on January 31, 2008, 10:32:38 AM
Stock boost on automatics is 7#'s where manuals get 10#'s.

Maybe on the carb or non I/C models, EFI I/C is more like 16-17lbs
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

dave1957

in my pinto I have the 85 1/2 svo engine factory rated at 205 hp n 240 lbs torque. with a ranger roller cam , bigger intercooler,and bigger exhaust i'm guessing about maybe225 or so..
1979 bobcat
1974 red stinkbug
1979 orange pinto sedan aka project turbo hack
1979 orange pinto all glass hatch 52k

map351

2.3 turbo.
Stock short block, Big valve head clean up the pockets, ranger roller, 55lb injectors, stock T-3, 3" exhaust, Good Ign. system (685 Mallory) 255 pump, PE or LA3 with chip or programer ECU,
25Lb boost 340+ Hp and 25+ MPG.

No nasty camshafts,no overheating, no noise, fun to drive!

Mike
73 2.3Turbo Pinto
6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
40 Ford Sedan Delivery  For Sale

Pinto FiberGlass
https://picasaweb.google.com/73turbopinto/PintoHotpantsKitNewFrontAirdam

rkk

Here is a good article on the 2.3 turbo.  I have used a lot of these on my motor and it reponded well.  I have also talked to this guy and he is a pleasure to work with.  Almost all his tips are low budget and work great.

http://pintopage.fordpinto.com/Poisonous%20Pinto.htm
1976 TURBO PINTO
1969 AMC AMX not a pinto, but I like it, fast for not being a FORD (It's different just like a PINTO)

77turbopinto

Quote from: popbumper on January 31, 2008, 10:06:11 AM
1) Standard factory 2.3L ?

2) Later 2.3L turbo motor ?

3) BUILT 2.3L potential HP? (and what I am looking for here is street HP, NOT race HP. I realize there are racing heads, like Esllinger available, but I am looking at more of a HP figure givem improved heads, better intake/exhaust, improved CAM, etc.)

1) 85-ish HP FULL factory stock N/A Pinto 2.3.

2) Full factory stock EFI NON-I/C 150-ish HP. FULL factory stock EFI with factory I/C 200-ish HP DEPENDING on Y/M.

3) IMHO you can get up to 300-ish with "minor" work, but I have heard much higher numbers with more effort. Mine has some mild work done (all factory block and head, but a 'Ranger' roller) and it is as fast as I need it for now (never dyno-ed).

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Ford_Pinto

Well, here's my 2 cents on the subject...

1)  I believe that the stock 2.3L actually had two different horsepower ratings (earlier and later), but both relatively close to the 88hp mark.

2)  As for the 2.3L turbo (as found in TurboCoupes, XR4Ti's, Cougars...) varies depending on the transmission.  Stock with automatic 3-speed is only around 140hp, whereas with a 5-speed can push 165-170hp.  This all depends on what boost your running as well.  Stock boost on automatics is 7#'s where manuals get 10#'s.

3.  I've never built one, although I hear that getting into the 200hp mark isn't much problem at all for these. From what I understand, the block is rock solid.  Things to do: port the head, valves, intake, exhaust, and I hear that a ranger cam gives you more power at lower rpms. 

Now...if you're crazy, this one particular block can be paired with a particular Volvo head (I wanna say it's the  B230 head from the early 90's) and throw on a couple of turbos...you'll be pushing 400hp.

  Hope that helps!
1979 Ford Pinto 
1977 Ford Pinto (68K miles)
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popbumper

Guys:

  I understand that we can "peel the onion" all day on the topic, but in general terms, I have a question about horsepower. Can somebody fill me in on what the horsepower is from:

1) Standard factory 2.3L ?

2) Later 2.3L turbo motor ?

3) BUILT 2.3L potential HP? (and what I am looking for here is street HP, NOT race HP. I realize there are racing heads, like Esllinger available, but I am looking at more of a HP figure givem improved heads, better intake/exhaust, improved CAM, etc.)

Hope these questions are not "too generic", just considering options, THANKS!

Chris

Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08