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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

80 Pinto - Another One?

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Cookieboystoys

sometimes a memory is just as good..

kids and pintos.. drove my wife to deliver my son in may of 92 in my green station wagon. had that car for a couple years, drove the stuffing out of it. The trips, memories and fun i had in that little wagon.. couldn't imagine what it would be like to find that car..
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

crazyhorse

It must not be... The sunroof was in it when I bought it. but GEEZ the details are all there! the painted over stripes, the repainted DS fender (with red primer) all the black spray paint... it's her virtual twin, right down to the rough life it had!
Dang it & I was STOKED too. LOL Either way it brought back some memories... Drove my wife to the hospital to deliver our daughter in that car. (Drove the current one to the hospital to deliver my son)
How to tell when a redneck's time is up: He combines these two sentences... Hey man, hold my beer. Hey y'all watch this!
'74 Runabout, stock 2300,auto  RIP Darlin.
'95 Olds Gutless "POS"
'97 Subaru Legacy wagon "Kat"

Cookieboystoys

the one in my garage doesn't have a sunroof... are you sure it's your old one...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

crazyhorse

UMMMM UHHHH YEAH that's my old car! HOLY SMOKES!!!!
It's nice to see an old friend again even if she's not what she once was. What WAS she? A $75 wreck I drug in & redid. She was in almost as bad shape then as she is now. But a few hundred $$$$ made this outta her....
How to tell when a redneck's time is up: He combines these two sentences... Hey man, hold my beer. Hey y'all watch this!
'74 Runabout, stock 2300,auto  RIP Darlin.
'95 Olds Gutless "POS"
'97 Subaru Legacy wagon "Kat"

Cookieboystoys

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

let's see... distinguishing marks to help identify.

William (Bill) Du Long is the name of the guy who sold it to me... has Illinois title in his name purchased 6/12/91 and VIN # 0X11A200627

POW/MIA sticker in the rear window / has defrost option (see pic)

stearing wheel is perfect w/no cracks (missing horn button)

Black w/gold stripes painted over on bottom and top (see pics)

seats are origional but someone painted the gold part on the front seats black (wearing off now) and there are no rips in the seats or door panels.

I'll post a couple more pics...

BTW I'm in Norrthen Minnesota
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

crazyhorse

MORE pics of the '80 parts car.... :text_yb_please: I THINK that's my old car!!! black & gold inside & out... does it have gold stripes @ the bottom painted over? & does it have the original front seats? BTW where are you located?
How to tell when a redneck's time is up: He combines these two sentences... Hey man, hold my beer. Hey y'all watch this!
'74 Runabout, stock 2300,auto  RIP Darlin.
'95 Olds Gutless "POS"
'97 Subaru Legacy wagon "Kat"

Cookieboystoys

Well.... Pinto #5 ------ somebody shoot me and take away my money  ;D

I called the guy about the 80 parts car... shot him a low price and he delivered so it's sitting in my garage. This thing is rough and I'll have to strip it ASAP and get it the heck out of here soon. Body is shot and rusty. I guess I'll have to wait till after the holidays before I can really go to town on stripping it but looks like there are a few parts I'll be happy to get  ;D

for now I'm excited about the all black interior parts, the radiator "looks" good, some door mechanicals, minor stuff but handy stuff to have around.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Drove the new pinto all week back and forth to work plus took a 60+ mile round trip with it yesterday. All is good! took it in Friday morning to a local transmission shop for them to look at the tranny leak and such. They drained the fluid and removed the pan to inspect and all looked excellent. They said they could tell it was leaking from the pan gasket and that it looked like someone had used "bathroom caulk" on the gasket. They changed the filter and filled it back up and confirmed the dip stick is correct.

Installed some new speakers and temp fixed my sagging headliner. I replaced the crappy little box speakers (almost no sound came from them) and installed some 6" Pioneer's I had, they sound much better. I even used my tape adaptor for my MP3 player and was very happy with the tunes when done. The speakers are a perfect match for the cheap tape player in there. Hard to tune in a radio station but now I know I can use my MP3 player in there and the sound is OK with the new speakers.. need more bass though.. may have to go get that sony kit I saw at walmart last night.. 2-6" speakers, 2-6x9" speakers and a basic CD player for $85.00

I removed the safty pins that were holding the headliner together to see what could be done about it. After removing the pins I looked that the support rod that used to hold up the headliner and found I could move it back and fourth quite aways so I figured what the heck.. get out the duct tape! I moved the rod forward as much as I could and taped the rear part first. Then moved the rod to the rear and taped the front up too. Then I moved the rod back into positition and it was now holding the headliner up. Then I used a bit more tape to clean up the look and hold the rod in place. Red Green would be proud. Now just have to see how long it holds  ;D

Oh yea! almost forgot.. someone came in to work the other day and asked if I was willing to sell it. Told him I had just got it and then he offered to sell me an 80 parts car. I got the instructions to his place to go look at it (the 60+ mile trip I took) and yep it was a parts car. Motor, brakes, carb, running gear all junk. Radiator looked very useable.. worth considering since mine is green and looks like it could start leaking any day. The all black interior looked real good.. standard door skins looked good/no rips, clean looking arm rests, seats didn't have any rips, rear plastic all looked good. Body was shot - dents and rot but the chrome looked ok. Now I just have to decide how much to offer ~ if~ I decide it's worth it for the parts and then dispose of the rest later. He offered to deliver to a location of my choosing.. just may have to get it for the parts and have the fun of stripping it.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Cromcru... yes I think it's a very real possibility. Tranny and rear are not origional. I did notice the dip stick for the tranny doesn't "fit" well and looks overfull. I was thinking of draining and refilling the tranny to check.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

cromcru

from the motor pic. i did not see a smog pump on your car. also i noticed that the cam cover on the car is from a late model fox body mustang 2.3 . on your leak from the trans. did by chance. the previous owner over fill the transmisson with fluid.
79 bobcat  78 ford pinto station wagon   93 ford mustang lx   90 ford mustang cont lx  63 chevy truck    52 studebaker 2r16a

Cookieboystoys

here's a picture of the engine area after the new hoses and I cleaned up the air cleaner top. Starter replacment and try to stop the tranny leak are next on my list.

I did notice the seats do look very similar to the Mustang II seats but I have seen pictures of these seats in Pintos too, and like you said Douglass in newer Pintos. I like the high-back buckets offered in the early Pintos best.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

douglasskemp

I have seen those style of seats in Pintos before, but only the later cars.  I saw a dark green set in a 77 cruisin' wagon a few years back in a bone yard, and an orange set in a 79 Bobcat hatchback.  They are nearly identical to the ones used in all the Mustang IIs, matter of fact, I don't know if there is any difference at all (maybe the brackets?)
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

Cookieboystoys

front seats must have been swapped... they are cloth and are more of a redish brown vs red.

just got done swapping out the top radiator hose and one of the heater lines.

took it for a real long drive today to heat up the tranny... it's leaking from the dip stick tube... I am so happy, I didn't want it to be the front seal. I will look at that closer and see if I can fix it when I swap out the starter.

I'll start driving it tomorrow I think... freezing rain tonight so I may not. I get no traction w/the rear tires on slippery stuff. Already did a 180 about a block from the house when I hit an ice patch I wasn't expecting. That was both scary and fun at the same time... glad there was no traffic at the time.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pintony

Hey Cookieboy,
Not too bad!!!!!
Looking at the seats... Wonder if that Pinto was made that way or somebody changed them?

Many years ago a friend bought a BRAND-X NEW in 1984 grey interior the pass bucket was totally different than the drivers and the rear seat did not match at all.  My friend never noticed untill pointed it out. ;D
The dealership strightened it out so all the seats matched. TOO FUNNY!!!!
From Pintony

Cookieboystoys

grill painted black and some of the parts I need to install
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

headlight buckets and grill before paint.. they were rough looking and I think flat black looks better on this body style.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Interior pics
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Yep! I got another one.. since my last "beater" turned into "my project" I found a different beater.

1980 Pinto w/2.3, C4 auto and 8" rear end. Runs and drives good, drove it home 90 some miles from Superior Wi. Previous owner rebuilt the motor about 30,000 miles ago and claimed to have had the tranny rebuilt. Plus he swapped in the 8" rear end. Starter skips sometimes but a new one was included. Driver door handle has issues and work best from inside, still works but needs help soon. There is supposed to be a radiator leak but I haven't seen it yet. I did find out the tranny is leaking and looks like it's from the dip stick tube. I need to change out the top radiator hose, no timing cover and the top pully bolt was rubbing on it.. almost all the way through. Body looks to have lots of filler and a really bad sanding job. It all looks solid but kinda sloppy work. I don't care.. makes for a perfect beater. I will have to at least spray it all the same color.. to many shades of grey and silver. Interior is a little rough (dash) but the seats are pretty good. No carpet on the driver side, floor has some new sheet metal and it was done well - very solid.

I'm happy, it runs and drives good and seems to only need minor attention to a few areas. This should be fun and I'll get to do the work to this one myself  ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!