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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

What is a 28 year old Pinto with 400 miles on it worth in 2006?

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Original74

Lugnut,

That is about the nicest wagon I have seen in years. Someone just picked up a good deal for $5,200.00! Man I like to see nice Pinto's fetching that kind of money! Good for all of us.

Dave
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

lugnut

Here is a 77 Squire Wagon on Ebay- There are a ton of pics.  About the cleanest original Pinto I've ever seen. Must have spent many years indoors!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280055603894&rd=1,1#Photo

mike

bluefordpinto

where did all these x's and $'s come from, and why do i feel like im back in geometry class? like i said earlier, its only worth as much as someone is willing to pay. food for though: a 1972 Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda Convertible, with the 427 Hemi big-block, and a 4-speed manual. only 5 of them built. one was shipped to france. that one was recently shipped back to the US. and with only 50,000 original miles on the clock, was sold at auction. it grabbed $3million. the man who bought it has been offered $6million for it. think about that while we "estimate" the value of this horse. and the first ever Ford GT (not GT-40) sold in europe, was auctioned off at $350,000. three times its sticker price, whereas the car Jim Carry drove in "Bruce Almighty", a 2001 Saleen S-7, only sold on Ebay for $50,000, only 1/4 its sticker price. its all about the buying crowd, and the determination of the buyer.  :tgif:
GET 'ER DONE!!!!!!

turbopinto72

Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Pintony

Hey Quickrick,
Wel...l I can agree with that 100%
:)

From Pintony

quickrick

Pintony
That is my point also, sort of. I only differ in that I don't think something is worth "X" amount of $$ if no one will pay "X" amount of $$.
Rick
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High_Horse

Original74/79,
   I am still looking forward to seeing some pictures. Lets see this beauty.

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintony

Quote from: quickrick on November 17, 2006, 09:31:05 AM
So... regardless of what we think the value of a Pinto should be, only ONE person knows first hand of a reasonable amount of $$ being paid for one.
Unfortunately, for the average guy the cost of resto, tools, etc... is NEVER recovered when selling a vintage vehicle, even the more popular ones.
:sorry:
Rick

Hey Quickrick,
No you will NOT rercover the cost of the tools required to do a proper restore.
That is why I believe that a very low mile Pinto is worth more than most would pay.
BUY, Drive, Enjoy......
From Pintony

quickrick

So... regardless of what we think the value of a Pinto should be, only ONE person knows first hand of a reasonable amount of $$ being paid for one.
Unfortunately, for the average guy the cost of resto, tools, etc... is NEVER recovered when selling a vintage vehicle, even the more popular ones.
:sorry:
Rick
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High_Horse

Original74/79,
     Food for thought. Leno and Seinfeld decide that they want to start collecting Pintos. Letterman who I think is a closet Pinto guy wants to do the same. They want the cream of the crop, Bingo!
The 20's fashion statement? Show up in a Pinto. Politically correct for fuel cost ralleys. Small,daring and sporty. Kind of a bigger HotWheel. Have you posted a picture yet>>???? Maybe something with a variety of good looking models all over it. I still have that other picture and each time I look at it I see one that I did not see before. Whew.

                                                                                             Keep the miles off,
                                                                                                  High_Horse
                                                                                                      #226
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

postalpony



WAY TO GO DAVE!!

TAKE IT FROM SOMEONE THAT HAS LET A LOT OF GOOD THINGS  SLIP BY

ME IN THE PAST, YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL NEVER

REGRET, YOU CAN BE SURE OF THAT!!


                                                POSTALPONY
1980 Hatchback was a "Postal Unit" on the
west coast in it's early life. Now residing
in Ohio, But we don't haul the U.S. Mail anymore;
Now all we do is HAUL!
5th gear 4700 rpm & still pullin'= 113+  mph

UPDATE-83.762 mph in 4th gear As verified by a W Va State Trooper-WITH 1 GEAR TO GO 6-2-11

bluefordpinto

Its only worth as much as the person who wants to buy it is willing to pay. if hes really freakin nuts, id say its worth about $20,000. but if your just a guy like me, its just another pintoand the pinto is not a popular car. so in my eyes its only worth about $10,000. keep it original and with as low as miles as possible, and in a nother 28 years it will probably be worth triple that.
GET 'ER DONE!!!!!!

Original74

Phil,

You know it man! Let's see, 16' each for 2 cars, then might as well put a fifth wheel on the front with some living quarters...that's about 45'-50' of trailer. Now I need a bigger truck!

Might be cheaper to buy a used car hauler semi! LOL

Dave
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

phils toys

congrats on the new car now do you need a bigger trailer to haul both?
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

oldcarpierre

quickrick,

Yes, someone has paid quite a bit more than 3000-5000 for a Pinto.  My wife thinks I am crazy (and some of you may think this as well), but I learned from experience to "buy the best one you can find" even if that means you need to pay through the nose.  You get a lot more car and you end up spending a lot less money in the long run.

Original74

It sounds like you will need to change your moniker to Original74&79
1974 Medium Lime Yellow Pinto Sedan
14000 Miles - Unrestored Original in the garage
2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain

78pinto

Quote from: quickrick on November 07, 2006, 10:04:17 AM
Does anyone know first (or second) hand of ANYONE ever getting more than 3-5,000 for a Pinto? I can only imagine that that price range would be tops. I did look at a showroom perfect, one owner crusin wagon that the elderly gentleman wanted 12,000 for!( and still has as far as I know) I can't imagine that it would ever be worth 8-10,000.

My fatherinlaw sold his VERY VERY clean '78 trunk model for $5500 last year, no modifications, all original.... with 70k miles! Guy bought it sight unseen from 6 hours away...took the train to town and drove the pinto home. And it wasn't close to what Dave is describbing of his new car.

p.s. Nice talking to you Dave!
** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

High_Horse

Original74,
       I dont think you through anything away. If you have the lowest milage, most factory original Pinto on the planet it is because you wanted it. And any serious collector will tell you to get it when you have the opportunity because you  don't know when that opportunity will come again.
Congradulations on Gem. And good job stepping in to preserve a Pinto. I am looking forward to seeing some pictures.

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Original74

Tony,

That's some of what I considered before I decided how much to pay for this car. The price of a new paint job, full interior restoration, all new glass, all new bright molding, rubber, seals, etc. All that thought through, I felt good at giving the price I gave for the car. Now, is it worth that on an auction block? Probably not, and I absolved myself to knowing I probably threw a couple grand away.

But when and where will I ever get a chance to buy a brand new Pinto in my lifetime? Most likely never. Until someone corrects me, I believe I have the lowest mileage, newest, most factory original Pinto on the planet. And I paid dearly to be able to say that.

I see a lot of Pinto's on eBay where they say in their ads 'low mileage', then state 68,000 miles. And for a 30 year old car, 68,000 miles IS low!

Thanks to all of you who have taken the time to post here and answer the poll I posted. I am reassured by the community that most of you believe this car is worth pretty close to what I paid for it. That's reassuring.

Now...would you pay $10.00 a mile to drive a brand new Pinto in 2006? I know I would!. I had the crazy dream that 100 of you Pinto nuts paid me $10.00 per mile, each of you drove the car 10 miles, netting me about what I paid for the car, and now it only had 1,400 miles on it! What a dream!

As I said earlier, I will get some pictures soon and share this gem with you. I think I am going to call her "Classic Gem". Classic to go along with my web site and gem, as in jade, the color of the car. Geraldine has a new baby sister!

Dave
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

Pintony

Hey Quickrick,
WORTH???? If you factor in that a GOOD paint job will cost you about 5000.00
And that to "FULLY" restore a Pinto will cost 10-15K.
Then YES I think a Pinto could be worth 12,000
Several members here have much more than 12,000 in their Pinto.
And probally own 20,000 dollars worth of tools to do the job.
So that makes it a 32,000 dollar car.
From Pintony

quickrick

Does anyone know first (or second) hand of ANYONE ever getting more than 3-5,000 for a Pinto? I can only imagine that that price range would be tops. I did look at a showroom perfect, one owner crusin wagon that the elderly gentleman wanted 12,000 for!( and still has as far as I know) I can't imagine that it would ever be worth 8-10,000.
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Pintony

Hello Dave,
   I added my vote for 9000.
But would have to be the model & year "I" wanted.
As even a "STOCK" restore would be in the 10,000-15,000 range, I think 9000 for a Stock Pinto would be about right;
From Pintony


Tude

depends really on how it was storedis it rust free from texas, rusty and has holes i could stick my fist through. a whats it worth question can never be answered truthfully without seeing it

it may have 400 miles but have the mice ate the seats out of it has it been stored in a museum its whole life it all depends on the little things and the biggest question i have why only 400 miles in 28 yrs what was wrong with it did it drive bad just to small for the guy that bought it, and liked it so much that he wouldnt sell it and then forgot he even had it
custom fit hammered and bent


turbowagonman

First thing I voted, in saying that, my vote consisted of a low milage, optioned out, least common color, with everything.

But after I voted, I started thinking, uhoh, what is a really "Pimpin Pinto" of the day? Was it the Cruising Wagon, was it a Ralley, so the value would differ by so much, what is a 400 mile Pinto worth? It all deopends, well that is enough rambling for me. So unitll the 'rest of the story'................
\'80\' Turbo Pinto Cruising Wagon.........R.I.P.
\'80\' Turbo Pinto Deluxe Wagon (work in progress)
http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/turbowagonman/

High_Horse

A Pinto or A rare Mexican V-8, Sprint, Cruising Wagon with the hand crank moon roof and optional exterior "High_Horse" sport graphics package including ground effects by " NASA-DIA"?

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Original74

Thanks to the 22 of you who voted in my previous poll. It looks like that if we had the opportunity to buy a super low mileage Pinto, we would.

Now, think about this and vote above on what you think that car would be worth. Don't let the recent eBay sale set your price. I want to know what you think a 28 year old Pinto with 400 miles on it is worth. Not whether you have the money to purchase it if you found it, just looking for a consensus on what my fellow Pinto enthusiasts think one would be worth today.

Keep this in mind....what is ANY 28 year old car with 400 miles on it worth today...Pinto's are not Camaro's or Cuda's, but ANY car with that low of mileage is worth something...your honesty is appreciated.

There is a HUGE 'rest of the story' to follow.

Thanks in advance for your participation,
Dave
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver