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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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stever

Well i have pulled the 306 back out,i dont like it.The whole thing feels funny,and does not look right.I got a turbo2.3 out of a 87 tc today for 200 bucks and it runs.I will be posting v8 swap parts for trade only soon for this new engine project.
yes i am from whiteland indiana,and no i dont know the gliddens.

High_Horse

I sure like the look of sliding a v8 into a Pinto...Sweet,Stever...Real sweet!!!

                                                     High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

stever

Engine is a 91 mustang 5.0 30 over,has a ford motorsports E cam with ported e7 heads and roller rocker arms.Holley carb air gap intake and msd ignition.Trans is a c4 with a 3200 stahl,rear is a 8 inch with 3:55 gears and a spool.will post more pictures and other info as i go along over the next few weeks.
yes i am from whiteland indiana,and no i dont know the gliddens.

stever

see if these come out.
yes i am from whiteland indiana,and no i dont know the gliddens.

302PintoMan

Here is my Pinto







I have since put on a set of Weld wheels and run a 295/50/15 on the back and runners on the front

a true hot rodder wouldn't be content until he had created a car so violent, so hairy, so totally sick, that the very act of pressing the throttle, could result in instant death

stever

Update time,all the suspension is done,and all of it is new.The engine and trans is in the car,and should have it running in a few weeks.This is a major job the engine was easy it was the underside that was hard.When this is done i think i will do another one turbo 4 next time ;D
yes i am from whiteland indiana,and no i dont know the gliddens.

stever

my v8 springs have me a little upset today.plus it was 75 yesterday and 42 today,got cold quick >:(
yes i am from whiteland indiana,and no i dont know the gliddens.

gearhead440

Stever,
Here's a coffin nail for ya  :search:

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=57&topic=6997.0

Good luck, use the force and walk away often.
Speed is only a question of money: Just how fast do you want to go?

stever

i have started and it could be my death
yes i am from whiteland indiana,and no i dont know the gliddens.

stever

what do you guys use for frame connectors?
yes i am from whiteland indiana,and no i dont know the gliddens.

stever

I work for a large highway construction co and i run mobile batch plants,when i dont do that i am a mechanic.Alot of the parts we use  are fabbed on sight and i have these guys around me more than my family.i have located more than one mustangII for parts,i might just buy the whole car for 500 bucks.When i get stuck i will come to the boards and ask.
yes i am from whiteland indiana,and no i dont know the gliddens.

77turbopinto

GH440: Thank you.

Also, thank you for your posts, very good info, thanks.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

gearhead440

Searched and found my post from a while back about springs ;D

I did some cross referencing between Napa and Advance Auto Parts websites and part numbers and came up the with following table that may be useful.  I wiil be using Advance Part Number 8542 for my V8 swap .  There might be typos...

Application                             NAPA #           Advance Auto Parts # (TRW)
(80) Pinto 4cyl w/o A/C                2773041         8578
(80) Pinto 4cyl w/ A/C                     2773042         8576
(77) Pinto 6cyl  SW w/o A/C           2773042         8576
(80) Pinto 4cyl S/W w/ A/C           2773037         8542

(76) MII 4cyl w/o A/C                  2773036         8558
(78) MII V6 w/ A/C                     2773039         8582
(78) MII V8 w/o A/C                     2773039         8582
(78) MII V8 w/ A/C                      2773038         8556

Speed is only a question of money: Just how fast do you want to go?

gearhead440

77turbo, I, too, have read your posts and listened to your advice on a V8 swap and it has been very beneficial and I thank you.  I also researched installing a V8 in a Ranger a while back and bought the manual from here:

http://www.mre-books.com/ranger.html

and found it useful as a guide for things to consider in the the Pinto V8 swap.  It has some good pics and Ford part numbers when searching for "stuff", whether it be "shiney" or not  :D.  I was facing a similar decision about the 2.3T or the 302.  I found a complete 2.3t for $450 with trans and 8.8 rear from a T-bird.  What I bought was a rebuilt (30k mile) complete 302 (attached to a 78 T-bird) for $200 BUT I had already collected a lot of parts for the V8 swap.  For me it was a matter of choice because the economics will probably work out about the same for either swap, at least in my case, because of what I had to work with.  The 9" rear end I'm using, for instance, has cost me $850 to get it how I wanted it, but it is EXACTLY what I wanted and is from a 58 Ford station wagon, has been completey rebuilt, and now sports a posi unit.  So, what I saved on the engine I put into the rear end.   I'm trying to go for a "factory stock" look as much as possible so I'm using factory valve covers, air cleaner, exhaust manifolds, etc. with will cut down on the costs somewhat and I already have several sets of them.  It just depends on your particular taste. 

I think that 77turbo is right on the money by saying that, either way you slice it, regardless of the components selected, be they stock or aftermarket "shiney", there will be a measure of fabrication and creative engineering that is involved in swapping to a V8 or a 2.3T. 

Once again, look at High-Horse's pictures and the attention to detail and fabrication that he has implemented in his endeavor as well as postings by 77turbo and several others who done the V8 or 2.3T swap. 

I've owned my 80 Pinto for more than 20 years now (have the window sticker and owners manual) and in my day job, I'm an engineer, so I enjoy problem solving, making puzzles fit together, and making things work when someone tells me "that will never work" so for me, the V8 swap is a natural.     :yinyan:
Speed is only a question of money: Just how fast do you want to go?

77turbopinto

I am not trying to steer you in one direction, just provide info.

I have found good running donor (entire car) Turbo Coupes for 300 to 500 bucks. By the time you do mod.s for each swap, they might wind up the same cost depending on what you do (I.E.: if you go 2.3t, you can keep your stock tranny and driveshaft, but you will need a $90. fuel pump, if you go v8, you won't have heater blower motor issues, if you go 2.3t you won't need motor mounts that are made out of unobtainium...). Either swap will need custom made parts and fabrication.

Contrary to what some Mustang II V8 parts sellers claim, the motor mount brackets do NOT DIRECT BOLT into a Pinto, some fabrication will be needed to install the engine in the correct location.

The Mustang II front sway bars are WIDER than Pinto ones. They will bolt in but they will put the end links at an angle and the will tend to break or rip the rubber out of them and wear the links (ask me how I know). The rear bar mounts will need some fabrication too.


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

78pinto

good job gearhead! One up for ya.
** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

gearhead440

I see you've been to the V8 swap FAQ section - good place to begin. 
Follow High_Horse and what he has well-documented with Thunder Pinto.

Radiator: Ranger V6, Datsun 280 which is same size as MII 302 rad for 1/3 the price, 67/8 Mustang, Mopar
22" for Duster/Dart.

Fan: Ford Taurus (95ish) 8-9 blade electric fan.

Front Springs: Pinto V6 springs with A/C - MII V6 springs with A/C.  I posted the part numbers on an earlier thread.

Shocks: KYB front and rear

Engine mounts: Pinto / MII

Frame mounts: Pinto w/ mods, MII, custom

Exhaust: MII left & right manifolds, MII passenger manifold, 63-68 289 drivers manifold that goes straight back, 63-68 289 manifolds for left and right that both go straight back, shorty headers turned backward, Hooker headers for the masochistic.

Relocate battery to the trunk - Summit relocation kit.

Oil pan: fabricate one from an existing front sump pan, Moroso deep sump , MII.  86 will be rear sump.

Altenator: 78 Thunderbird look on AdvanceAutoParts website and you will find one rated for 100 amp.

Rear end: 8" rear from MII or Pinto if you want to retain 4 lug.  Early 9" (58-63) from right vehicles, 60's
Mustang 8" or 9" with mods, 80-early 90's 8.8 Ford Ranger (change spring perches), IIRC early 90's Explorer 8.8 measures out about the same, also.

Transmission: easiest would be C4, AOD could fit with effort, C6 will require BFH and more determination than reason for a street application, T5, top loader 4 speed (NON-PINTO),SROD.

5 lug rotors: eBay - also get new GOOD bearings.

Front suspension: PST poly bushings.

Sway bar, front / rear: MII,  1" front, 5/8" rear (I think that's correct) and necessary mounting brackets / hardware - eBay search or PST

and 100 other things I've not listed.  Hope this is at least a place to start.  I've been collecting pieces to perform a V8 swap for a very long time and I'll use a T5.  :yinyan:

Speed is only a question of money: Just how fast do you want to go?

stever

I have had my  pinto almost a year now,and had it painted last year.I wanted to keep it a 4 banger and go turbo,after a cost breakdown to do what i want itwill cost too much money.So i will go for the very mild v8 driver with room for upgrades later,you can buy running 86 up 5.0 engines around here for 250-500 and could have had one for free last year{yes i am stupid}.I  hope to buy a  dugital camera next week so i can post pictures on here as i go.Any tips and tricks i could use people please tell me!
yes i am from whiteland indiana,and no i dont know the gliddens.